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OBAMA ADMINISTRATION’S CLAIM THAT LOIS LERNER’S EMAILS ARE “LOST” IS LUDICROUS (IRS security)
Power Line ^ | 06/16/2014 | JOHN HINDERAKER

Posted on 06/14/2014 12:23:25 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen

---snip--- Further, emails are universally backed up in some other medium, often electronic tape, for long-term storage. Thus, even if an email server is destroyed, or all emails are deleted from a server after a specified length of time, the emails are still recoverable from back-up storage media. The DOJ lawyer whom Scott quoted this morning was correct about this. The IRS, like virtually every other business or government entity, uses such a system. The Agency’s manual on “Managing Electronic Records” has been made public; you can read it here. A few relevant excerpts:

(Excerpt) Read more at powerlineblog.com ...


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KEYWORDS: gettherope; impeachnow; irs; irsabuse; loislerner
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1.15.6.8 (06-01-2010)
 Security of Electronic Records

B. Provides for backup and recovery of records to protect against information loss or corruption.
1 posted on 06/14/2014 12:23:25 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen
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To: Kid Shelleen

Seems to me this is more of a “f*** you” to Congress. Executive branch is out of control and what do they care at this point?


2 posted on 06/14/2014 12:24:12 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: Kid Shelleen

I shouldn’t comment ... I’ll grow angry. No wasting of the lies, do they?


3 posted on 06/14/2014 12:24:40 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Impossible. hillary has records on everyone. Elect her and she may produce them, like the Rose law firm billing records


4 posted on 06/14/2014 12:24:45 PM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Wouldn’t the NSA have them?


5 posted on 06/14/2014 12:26:15 PM PDT by Menehune56 ("Let them hate so long as they fear" (Oderint Dum Metuant), Lucius Accius (170 BC - 86 BC))
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To: Kid Shelleen

Some of them in the Obama administration must be skeered of doing some prison time.

Let’s start with destruction of evidence and obstruction.


6 posted on 06/14/2014 12:26:50 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Obama and his administration are computer science deniers.


7 posted on 06/14/2014 12:26:58 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Menehune56
Congressman Asks NSA To Restore Two Years Of "Lost" Lois Lerner IRS Emails

ZeroHedge ^ | 6/14/2014 | Tyler Durden

Posted on 6/14/2014, 10:21:19 AM by mojito

...[M]oments ago, representative Steve Stockman (R-Texas) announced he would request that the National Security Agency help in the hunt for missing emails to and from the IRS’s Lois Lerner, and recover two years worth of "lost" emails.

[....] And now the NSA is caught between a rock and a hard place: because if it refuses an official congressional demand, it shows once again that the spy agency is entirely separated from any concept of checks and balances and accountability; if it complies, it confirms that all the NSA is, considering it can't even tap into a bunch of Al Qaeda phones and figure out what the jihadists' strategy is in Iraq, is just a massive data repository of all US electronic information, to be abused at will by corrupt, criminal government workers, some of whom will likely have to resort to the "dog ate my emails" excuse in the immediate future

From down thread today

8 posted on 06/14/2014 12:30:01 PM PDT by spokeshave (OMG.......Schadenfreude overload is not covered under Obamacare :-()
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To: Kid Shelleen

Youd think they would’ve run this idea by someone in the IT Dept to find out if it was really a feasible claim to make...


9 posted on 06/14/2014 12:30:03 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Kid Shelleen
I wonder if WikiLeaks has them...


10 posted on 06/14/2014 12:30:23 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: Kid Shelleen

I bet that Eric Snowden could find those emails in five minutes, if somebody wanted to smuggle him into the states as a favor.


11 posted on 06/14/2014 12:30:29 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Kid Shelleen

So, if the IRS’ computers are this vulnerable, unreliable, and prone to fail, NO ONE SHOULD PAY TAXES OR RELEASE ANY INFORMATION TO THE IRS until such time that these emails are produced, and multiple people are prosecuted and jailed. I want pensions revoked, property seized, and a perp walk down the line of chain of command until someone coughs it all up.


12 posted on 06/14/2014 12:32:01 PM PDT by Big Giant Head
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To: Kid Shelleen

That’s what they said about Ollie North.


13 posted on 06/14/2014 12:32:52 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: spokeshave
...[M]oments ago, representative Steve Stockman (R-Texas) announced he would request that the National Security Agency help in the hunt for missing emails to and from the IRS’s Lois Lerner, and recover two years worth of "lost" emails.

Just a day or two ago there was an article about the NSA having refused a request by a litigant who wanted to use NSA captured data in a lawsuit to prove something. I wonder if that was setting the stage to refuse this request.

14 posted on 06/14/2014 12:33:05 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: Kid Shelleen

So the challenge is what will it take to force the release of those emails and who or what organization has the power and will to compel the Regime to obey law and regulation? Anyone?


15 posted on 06/14/2014 12:33:19 PM PDT by Truth29
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To: Kid Shelleen

Liberals seem to not only lack competence, but also not to know they lack competence. So, you have Hillary who apparently Googles her own translation of the Russian word for “reset.” You have Michelle who launches a school lunch program with no knowledge of food or kid’s preferences. Now you have somebody who knows nothing about IT coming up with a reason not to provide Learner’s emails. I am so thankful that none of these people are competent. They don’t have a Goebbels or a Rommel. If they did we’d be in trouble.


16 posted on 06/14/2014 12:33:38 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: uncitizen

I know many IT managers that would have OKed the explanation.


17 posted on 06/14/2014 12:36:24 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Kid Shelleen

IRS Commissioner previously testified they had and reviewed Lerner’s emails:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ax6QGmKhRwo


18 posted on 06/14/2014 12:37:10 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: FourPeas

Really? The explanation doesn’t stand up to minimal scrutiny on so many levels from an IT POV.


19 posted on 06/14/2014 12:39:03 PM PDT by uncitizen
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To: no-to-illegals

An independent government prosecutor should elicit the location of the emails from the IRS miscreants by extended waterboarding. Either way, America comes out ahead.


20 posted on 06/14/2014 12:40:17 PM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Kid Shelleen

Their lies only means their is something very damaging in those emails.


21 posted on 06/14/2014 12:40:41 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty or Big Government - you can't have both.)
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To: Carl Vehse

Am all for America Coming Out as A Winner!


22 posted on 06/14/2014 12:41:14 PM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Kid Shelleen

18 minutes of Nixon tapes vs. two years of emails. Where is the outrage?


23 posted on 06/14/2014 12:42:04 PM PDT by ConservativeInPA (We need to fundamentally transform RATs lives for their lies.)
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To: Menehune56

If all of the many copies are gone the NSA must be the ones who found them all and deleted them for the IRS.


24 posted on 06/14/2014 12:46:48 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: uncitizen

Right you are. It doesn’t. The basic technical knowledge of most IT managers I’ve known is pathetic.


25 posted on 06/14/2014 12:47:47 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: ConservativeInPA
Nixon is in fact what this is all about.

Obama did the very thing Nixon was about to be impeached for.

If this gets out to the public millions of younger Americans will get a good education in what really happened in the 70's. That's why the media is covering the whole IRS story up.

26 posted on 06/14/2014 12:50:11 PM PDT by what's up
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To: what's up

Nixon is just a vague name for most people.
This business is something for today. The proper attack is to go after IRS people on corruption charges. Nobody likes the IRS, and that is easier to sell.


27 posted on 06/14/2014 12:52:53 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: Kid Shelleen

Just her’s, nobody else?


28 posted on 06/14/2014 12:53:04 PM PDT by SkyDancer (If you don't read the newspapers you are uninformed. If you do read newspapers you are misinformed)
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To: Carl Vehse

They put Judith Miller in prison for not revealing her sources which was her right as a journalist. Put Lois Lerner in prison until the e-mails are produced. No e-mails no release. Period.


29 posted on 06/14/2014 12:53:13 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: Kid Shelleen
Anybody with two functioning brain cells knows these Lener email aren't "lost" ...

Obama is pissing on Congresses leg...

Holder is Obama consigliere in his criminal enterprise and the Congressional House can't do jack unless the Senate goes to the GOP...

30 posted on 06/14/2014 12:54:06 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Lerner’s “inbox” is a file in a directory. It contains email from all senders, both internal and external. Likewise for the “sent” e-mail, it is a file in a directory and it contains email sent to all recipients, both internal and external.

A disk failure corrupting the inbox file is not going to selectively destroy only email from external senders.

A disk failure corrupting the sent file is not going to selectively destroy only email sent to external recipients.

A disk failure corrupting so precisely BOTH these files.... is a Mount Everest of BS.


31 posted on 06/14/2014 12:54:34 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: what's up

And for what its worth, the US government, its personnel, the press, and even the politicians were far less partisan, far less corrupt, and had much better personal morals back then. The left exploited the fundamental honesty of the system. These days Nixon’s activities or their modern equivalents could not possibly rate such a political crisis.


32 posted on 06/14/2014 12:58:04 PM PDT by buwaya
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To: buwaya
This business is something for today. The proper attack is to go after IRS people on corruption charges.

Most definitely. However, in doing so Nixon's name would come up again and again.

33 posted on 06/14/2014 1:01:28 PM PDT by what's up
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To: Popman

Elijah Cummings is up to his eyeballs in the scandal. I’m sure he was in many of the emails and no one has the balls to eject him from the investigating committee. He was a participant in the targeting. I imagine there were some establishment republicans on board with this too. Boehner, McConnell and Cantor come to mind.


34 posted on 06/14/2014 1:02:47 PM PDT by dandiegirl
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To: Kid Shelleen

In my previous job, we were “advised” not to send e-mails that could be deemed non-professional. Even though we might erase said emails from our personal Outlook or Lotus Notes files, they were BY LAW backed up regularly to secure offsite servers.

In other words, if a private corporation claimed to have “lost” 2 years of e-mails from their CEO, the government fines probably would be sufficiently high to pay off a day or two of the National Debt.


35 posted on 06/14/2014 1:02:51 PM PDT by ssaftler (I am both ashamed and afraid of my government, Federal AND State. Local not far behind...)
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To: Popman
Obama is pissing on Congresses leg...

He's got a good chance of getting away with it, too.

36 posted on 06/14/2014 1:04:19 PM PDT by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: Ray76
A disk failure corrupting so precisely BOTH these files.... is a Mount Everest of BS.

My first thought was this should make it simple for any competent prosecutor to prove obstruction of justice. Instead of looking at this as a set back I think it is a huge break for conservatives. I wonder how many other laws were broken in the LernerGate cover up?
37 posted on 06/14/2014 1:05:50 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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To: reagandemocrat

According to the IRS Commissioner last March, he had a “team” of agents pouring through Lerner’s emails, redacting sensitive material. Clearly the emails were in their possession, actively being reviewed by a team of agents, who were altering the documents.

Who is/was on the team?

Who is/was the custodian of records for the IRS?

Which emails were redacted?

Who made the decision as to which emails were being redacted?

Who made the decision as to what part of the emails were to be redacted?

What was the process for redaction?

What software program, if any, was used in the redaction process?

RD


38 posted on 06/14/2014 1:06:36 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: Kid Shelleen

Congress needs to jump on this. Hard. Jail her.


39 posted on 06/14/2014 1:08:15 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: Kid Shelleen

“Not a smidgen...”


40 posted on 06/14/2014 1:08:18 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: TADSLOS

“Not a smidgen....”

but an avalanche.


41 posted on 06/14/2014 1:12:39 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: reagandemocrat

“The only people who don’t want to disclose the truth are people with something to hide.”
Barack Obama, weekly address, Aug 21, 2010

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bhFB7-w2MY8

That quote could be used time and time again in all the ongoing investigations.


42 posted on 06/14/2014 1:12:49 PM PDT by IM2MAD (IM2MAD=Individual Motivated 2 Make A Difference)
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To: Kid Shelleen

Most transparent admin in history......isn’t that the meme all you liberal buffoons?


43 posted on 06/14/2014 1:14:29 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: Kid Shelleen

What we need here is the inventor of the internet, Al Gore.


44 posted on 06/14/2014 1:18:24 PM PDT by kempster
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To: reagandemocrat

Put Lois Lerner and Mr. IRS Commissioner in jail until they remember where the e-mails went and who has had them. Squeeze every IT employee, consultant, and “guest” involved in any way with Lerner’s e-mail trail, until somebody spills.

Doesn’t it sound like that Lerner’s “lost” e-mails were not sent through the official system as required by law? Others in this administration have already been caught using “private” accounts to dodge divulging their communications. It would explain how they are not archived. If it can proved that she was using a secret account, that is strong evidence of foreknowledge of wrongdoing. Put Lois Lerner under oath and ask her to identify ALL email accounts she used during the period in question. Pleading the Fifth to that would say it all (as if more was needed).


45 posted on 06/14/2014 1:20:50 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Kid Shelleen

When do we surround the IRS buildings, padlock the gates and doors with these traitorous bastards inside?

Leave them to starve to death for all I care. These people are complicit of crimes against Americans.

F U B O!


46 posted on 06/14/2014 1:30:01 PM PDT by unixfox (Abolish Slavery, Repeal the 16th Amendment)
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To: uncitizen

Good catch.


47 posted on 06/14/2014 1:30:40 PM PDT by Bullish (You ever notice that liberalism really just amounts to anti-morality?)
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To: Kid Shelleen

You know what, this explanation is just peachy with Boehner, Issa, and McConnell. This will go nowhere.


48 posted on 06/14/2014 1:30:42 PM PDT by Artcore
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To: Chewbarkah

Bingo. At minimum.

Body attachments should be issued forthwith.

Lerner and the IRS Commissioner have committed crimes (ie., spoilation of evidence, obstruction of justice, conspiracy, etc.) and are continuing their criminal enterprise.

Stop them. Now.


49 posted on 06/14/2014 1:30:42 PM PDT by reagandemocrat
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To: uncitizen
Youd think they would’ve run this idea by someone in the IT Dept to find out if it was really a feasible claim to make.
That shows how arrogant they are. Look at all the outrageous lies Hillary has spun and she could be the next president.
50 posted on 06/14/2014 1:41:46 PM PDT by Kid Shelleen (Beat your plowshares into swords. Let the weak say I am strong)
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