Skip to comments.Lois Lernerís Lost Emails: Questions for the IRS
Posted on 06/14/2014 7:33:15 PM PDT by FlJoePa
The news came late in the day on Friday the 13th.
According to the House Ways and Means Committee, the IRS reports having lost former IRS manager Lois Lerners emails to and from other IRS employees sent between January of 2009 and April of 2011 due to a computer crash.
In light of the disclosure, these are some of the logical requests that should be made of the IRS:
The Committee had requested the Lerner emails as part of its investigation into to the targeting of conservative non-profits by the IRS. The Obama administration has denied any corruption or intentional wrongdoing. Lerner took the Fifth when asked to testify to Congress. The House of Representatives subsequently held her in contempt. The lost materials are said to include any communications that may have occurred between Lerner and outside agencies or groups such as the White House, the Treasury Department, the Department of Justice, the Federal Elections Commission and the offices of Democrats.
House and Ways Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) says that along with providing news of the emails that have been lost, the IRS suggested in the same letter to Congress that it end its investigation.
The late disclosure of the lost emails may be reason to disregard the suggestion.
Great questions that will never be answered or said to be old news.
Take it TO EM!
We eill not lie down
We Will not sit down
we will not shut up!!
Enough is enough. It’s time for the “perp walks” to begin!
“House and Ways Committee Chairman Dave Camp (R-Mich.) says that along with providing news of the emails that have been lost, the IRS suggested in the same letter to Congress that it end its investigation.”
trite but true -> “you can’t make this stuff up”
I’m sorry- I don’t even believe in the possibility of this loss happening. But even if the emails were deliberately deleted, they can be retrieved from NSA.
wait,then what is the purpose of that 42 Million square foot monster (have they built it yet?) that is supposed to store everything we type on the web?
Doesn't that sort of intimidation to a sitting Congressman break some law somewhere. Good grief, they can nail us for a late library book but these people can send Tony to sleep with the fishes and no one blinks.
Who ever said all emails were lost has no clue about computers or thinks everyone out there is as stupid as they are
I can’t lose my stuff cuz it is all backed up......why is this BS still in committees?
It belongs with a spec prosecuted? Are those lousy committees that solve or prosecute nada just holding on to their chairmanship....they are a bunch of a$$holes!
Crash, my ass. They’re doing backups of backups in real time. That’s why God created RAID arrays. This has just descended into criminal farce, all of it.
Nope: “Questions for the NSA.”
Whatever the IRS “loses” is stored, FOREVER, in the files of the NSA.
After all, the NSA has searchable recordings of all emails by EVERYBODY, so that NOTHING can ever be “lost.”
Obie isnt going to like this one bit...that is when he reads about it in “the paper”
HIS NSA...being turned against HIS IRSS....UNTHINKABLE
They need to start dragging in the IT people for questioning.
As a CRO I know they are backed up every Day. There are multiple copies. Enough said.
More Obama Admin’s Ethnic cleansing
her suggestions should be in a congressional DEMAND in served by US Marshal at 8AM Monday.
EVERYONE please visit Sheryl Atkinson’s web site and THANK her for
her true journalism and courage!!!! WE NEED TO SUPPORT HER!!!!!!
Yes. I agree. I wanted to just link her website, but there are a few people here that make it their day’s work to rip on someone that posts something excerpted when it doesn’t technically have to be.
I think you know who you are.
This is all part of Obama’s plan to reduce global warming. You see, if they have redundancy, with back-up files, then that increases power usage.
There are weekly backups of our exchange mail store. There is no way they lost it. In the event the worst happened, like a perforation of the array that held their exchange mail store, there will still be weeks and weeks of off site backups that have to as far back as they are legally required through federal data retention laws. There is absolutely, positively, no way this is true.
A company the size of the IRS, with their budget, would have high level data and server redundancy. Are we to believe their exchange server and mail store are that vulnerable? If so, people should be going to jail.
I’m an IT consultant and I manage a number of clients networks, computers, email, and storage. Part of my duties includes managing Microsoft exchange, which is the industry standard in corporate email systems. Database corruption happens, especially once a mailbox gets to a certain size, but that is what backups are for. With a corrupted mailbox, some emails can disappear but not the while thing. The email database, or mail store, sits on a server with an array of disks that are setup to handle hard drive failures. There are examples of losing an entire array. One is called a perforation where the array will replicate a bad block, or hard disk sector, across all of the disks. This actually happened to a client recently and we rebuilt the array, restored from backup, and one day was lost.
An organization this size would likely have redundant arrays setup to so that if one failed, the other would cut over. its called storage clustering and it can be done in all kinds of interesting ways to protect customer data and ensure zero downtime. I don’t know if a perforation or corruption could be replicated in this manner. I’ve only seen perforation happen once and that was on a single array.
The IRS IT policies need an immediate audit. I want to know what mailstore Lerners emails sat on and who else was in it. Turn in every computer, every device, every inventory sheet where Lerner worked. Which computer was hers, is it still in production, did she locally archive her email? Was a case called in to Microsoft to resolve this? A loss like this should instantly trigger this considering their size and scope and the ramifications of such a loss. Shut the entire IRS down until this is sorted out. If this is true, this organization should be done for.
Of course it is criminal. This highly suspicious ‘loss of emails’ should get even the most left-wing journalist’s blood stirring. That it will not gives evidence of corruption not only in government, but in the news media as well.
The republican leaders are in on it in that they want the problem to go away just like the Dems. The republicans know that this is intentional. You would have to be dumber than a box of rocks not to, and yet they are not going to do squat about it.
The entire city is blackmailing one another. Another obvious reason for term limits.
To bad we are all SUPPOSED to be on the same page!!!! The MSM is the BIGGEST battle WE face!!!! Yet there are ALOT of folks here that do seem to BASH MEDIA on our side for their perceived imperfections!!!!
WE will NEVER win if WE ALL expect perfection from EVERYONE including those on the site just trying to keep us informed!!!!! People need to look in the mirror at THEIR perceived PERFECT lives!!!!!
Everyone should be calling and demanding that the evil Boehner do his job.
Boehner will NOT liff a finger over this evil act because the IRS went after Conservatives and Tea Party types (Boehner's blood enemy)
The single person who is purposely thrawting any action to stop this evil administration is John, the corrupt and evil, Boehner.
“But even if the emails were deliberately deleted, they can be retrieved from NSA.”
or, subpoena all emails from those with whom Lois communicated. All hers would be part of their threads. duh
If it were me; I’d demand to be taken to the IT head and demand he produce any and all backup tapes for said servers. Failure to comply would result in immediate arrest.
If said tapes are missing or have been destroyed - Ditto!
This whole, ‘the server crashed’, is bull crap!
Another cover-up that ends at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue.
Sounds threatening to me!
How do you “suggest” to Congress to end anything?
Especially when they have the authority to end YOU!
Strange times we live in.
This is interesting. They are lying, we know they are lying, and they know we know they are lying. So why?
Obviously, because whatever is in those emails is so dangerous that they are willing to throw out a total lie to keep it hidden.
Will they get away with it? They shouldn’t, but since this Congress has shown a marked lack of hairy round dangly bits, I won’t bet either way.
Make them tell lies to back up their lie until the weight of falsity collapses on top of them.
So that must mean they also lost our tax returns and correspondence from 2009 through 2011, right? Cool.
Great catch ... as it is yet to be demonstrated that expectations might not meet realities.
That the delays, denials, ... simply run out the clock, a la Issa is the MO.
The GOP has never understood nor applied political power. Coulda' shoulda', ... but didn't is just the booby prize - election after election after election.
Words are not actions. Actions are not results.
Remember, you never get the time back.
Trey Gowdy better step on it!! SUBPOENAS FOR EVERYONE!!
Best post yet on this matter! Thank you.
I think you may be underestimating the House committee’s. This might be a strategic plan to keep things percolating until election. They know voter memories are very short.
Can the House republicans appoint an independent or special prosecutor? I think that powers is available only to the Attorney General. The House republicans can investigate and then recommend findings to the AG. But if Holder ignores it nothing they can do.
My computer crashed, so I can’t pay my taxes this year...
does THAT work for the IRS?
The person who informed the congress of this should be fired immediately.
The congress needs to expand Gowdy’s committee and combine it with Issa’s IRS “investigation. The committee should be retiled Impeachment Inquiry.
All of the questions above and subpoenas need to be issued for servers, bcd ups and wh e-mails from Lerner.