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Investment & Finance Thread (Father's Day edition)
Daily investment & finance thread ^ | June 15, 2014 | Freeper Investors

Posted on 06/15/2014 7:10:42 AM PDT by expat_panama

Happy Father's Day! 

Seems there's no shortage of ideas out there on fathers and investing, there's an entire series of books (Rich Dad’s Rich Kid Smart Kid, etc.) but (imho) the ideas can be boiled down into a short list (from here):

FWIW, my favorite on the list is the last one...

This is the thread where folks swap ideas on savings and investment --here's a list of popular investing links that freepers have posted here and tomorrow morning we'll go on with our--

Open invitation continues always for idea-input for the thread, this being a joint effort works well.   Keywords: financial, WallStreet, stockmarket.



TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: financial; stockmarket; wallstreet

1 posted on 06/15/2014 7:10:42 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; Aquamarine; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...

2 posted on 06/15/2014 7:17:14 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Happy fathers day to you too.


3 posted on 06/15/2014 7:35:03 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: expat_panama

As a parent this resonates with me about the individuality of childrens teaching. I believe the public school system does a poor job of shoehorning each individual into the broad rote method of teaching thus leading to poor performance. I do not believe more money will solve this problem but rather more parental involvement. Albert Einstein fought against the teaching methods when he was young (15-16 I think) and thus did not become an electrical engineer. I had several unsavory instances with my own children in public school with one involving my son being left behind on an out of state field trip in which the teacher failed to take a head count when a rain outburst cut the trip short and she rounded up what kids were nearby.


4 posted on 06/15/2014 8:32:57 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Tx —likewise!


5 posted on 06/15/2014 9:06:49 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Great list! I am BLESSED beyond measure to have had a Grandpa that WORKED all during the Great Depression - doing ANYTHING that would bring in a buck to support himself, Grandma, my Dad and his Father-in-Law. That work ethic is with me, still, and I will ALWAYS have multiple streams of income. :)

Secondly, I am blessed to have a Dad who taught me early-on to SAVE, and showed me how the Commodities Market works. Well, it USED to, anyways, LOL!

Allowance money went to buying Cocoa Futures and Sow Bellies, versus make-up and teen heart-throb magazines. (Though, I did not lack for those things, either.)

I’m getting there! Lost a LOT of $ in my dee-vorce, but I am back on track and should have the farm paid off and have enough stashed to live comfortably without outside employment before I’m age 60. Suh-Weeeeet!

Plan the work, then work the plan!


6 posted on 06/15/2014 9:21:39 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: BipolarBob
...the public school system does a poor job...

Coincidently nationwide public schooling began in Germany at the time Einstein was a child because the Kaiser realized that national defense required a draft pool that knew how to communicate in writing and understood numbers.  Raising kids for life has always been and remains the parent's job.  So we agree that "Formal schooling under serves non academic learning styles and financial education principles".   

...do not believe more money will solve this problem...

Absolutely; the problem is one of direction.  As a nation we need to consider that national defense in the 21st century requires a population not only educated for the labor markets but for the financial markets too.

7 posted on 06/15/2014 9:40:16 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
...BLESSED beyond measure to have had a Grandpa that WORKED all during the Great Depression...

There's so much to learn from that generation and now there are so few of them left.  What strikes me is that as horrific as that era was, most of the anecdotes I'm recalling were of things that happened that were humorous --I mean like totally hilarious!  My bet is you remember a few tales too; one of these days we got to swap stories.

...Lost a LOT of $ in my dee-vorce, but I am back on track...

Dang!  Should know better that to forget I'm not the only one who's been down that road...

8 posted on 06/15/2014 9:56:29 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

I found this interesting

Retail investors are more influential than most people think
Jun 14th 2014 | From the print edition

“FOLKS are dumb where I come from,” wrote Irving Berlin in the musical “Annie Get Your Gun”. The song’s condescension towards yokels is reminiscent of professional investors’ disdain for their retail counterparts. The “smart money” in New York and London thinks it can make a living exploiting the “dumb money” of people who live in the sticks. Yet a new paper from researchers at the Federal Reserve shows that retail investors—in America, at any rate—are a lot smarter than the professionals imagine. In fact, they have a bigger effect on the markets than the highly paid investment strategists of Wall Street.
http://www.economist.com/news/finance-and-economics/21604190-retail-investors-are-more-influential-most-people-think-wisdom


9 posted on 06/15/2014 12:28:45 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
whoa...

It's based on this paper from the Fed, which is so arcane that I think I'll stick to the Economist's take fro a bit.  Well done!

10 posted on 06/15/2014 2:17:02 PM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Geopolitical SHTF alert. This will be an interesting week with the markets.


11 posted on 06/15/2014 3:58:00 PM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: catfish1957

Yea, looks like Baghdad is about to go down.

US evacuates Baghdad embassy as brutal ISIS forces advance ... [Breaking!]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3168087/posts


12 posted on 06/15/2014 5:04:50 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin; catfish1957
Geopolitical SHTF alert.

Baghdad is about to go down

Yeah, was just looking at this too: Iraq May Be a Real Monkey Wrench In This Market - Jim Cramer, MSN

13 posted on 06/15/2014 5:52:07 PM PDT by expat_panama
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Good Morning!  Beginning the new week with futures traders up beat in all commodities except stock indexes --right now at -0.32%.   Major econ reports this morning include Net Long-Term TIC Flows, Industrial Production, Capacity Utilization, and NAHB Housing Market Index, the view from the press:


14 posted on 06/16/2014 3:48:24 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

Good grief Obama is just clueless...


15 posted on 06/16/2014 4:31:15 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: expat_panama

Good way to start the day... :-)

A Bazillionaire’s Guide to Stress Relief
3 Jun 15, 2014 6:03 PM EDT
By Michael Lewis

I’d like to start by making a confession: It’s never been easy being me.

Managing billions of dollars of other people’s money, and countless millions of my own, has been highly stressful. There was a time when I thought my anxiety, not to mention the investigations of my affairs by various U.S. government authorities, might break me — and so, on the advice of my attorneys, I took some time off. But that period of my life, thankfully, is now over. Just last week, for the first time in months, I fired up my Bloomberg terminal!

There I discovered that I’m not the only extremely distinguished Wall Street trader whose life is more difficult than ordinary people understand. Looking over the stories that people who can afford Bloomberg terminals have been e-mailing to one another over the past few months, I see the anxiety of financiers hitting new highs: Old bankers have been killing themselves; young bankers, burned out by their 90-hour-a-week jobs, have been quitting in droves to work for startups; hedge-fund managers are now telling the public that the stock market feels so dangerous that they are selling their holdings and going into cash.

The most widely circulated horror story was about people giving up golf. Apparently, Wall Street guys have been fleeing their game because their anxiety has them feeling they need to text all the time, and they can’t free up their hands long enough to swing the club. It’s like we’ve all become teenage girls.

So maybe I shouldn’t have been so surprised that the story that got all of Wall Street’s attention was about a hot new stress reduction strategy: transcendental meditation. Several of my esteemed hedge-fund colleagues apparently actually do this. David Ford told Bloomberg Pursuits that his mantra helped him make a killing in the emerging markets crash — and he isn’t alone.

“Ford is part of a growing number of Wall Street traders, including A-list hedge-fund managers Ray Dalio, Paul Tudor Jones and Michael Novogratz, who are fine-tuning their brains — and upping their games — with meditation,” said the story, which went on to say that the TM classes at Goldman have a waiting list of hundreds.

Personally, I would find it stressful, if I worked at Goldman Sachs (which, thank God, I don’t!) to be on a wait list for anything. Why can’t they just buy as many gurus as they need? But I digress. The point of this crazy meditation article was how much money a guy can make these days just from staying calm. “Meditation used to have this reputation as a hippie thing for people who speak in a particularly soft tone of voice,” a meditation expert explains, to correct the popular misperception. “Samurai practiced meditation to become more effective killers. … It’s value neutral.”

I’m a big believer in value neutrality. I also get that the new way to get an edge in the markets is to trick your brain into no longer worrying about whether you have an edge — and just letting the intuition fly. The problem is that there’s no way meditating can give you a competitive advantage if everyone in the financial markets is already meditating. How can there be any edge left in doing whatever hundreds of grunts inside Goldman Sachs are already lining up to do?

Any hedge-fund manager who wants to pursue the calming strategy obviously needs new, superior stress relieving techniques, unknown to the weaker individuals whose anxiety he seeks to exploit. Here are a few secret strategies, unknown to the larger investing public, used by only the most successful hedge-fund managers, myself included. To begin:

— Find a fat kid and sit on him.

Fat kids aren’t as thick on the ground in Manhattan since the soda ban was proposed so you might need to get driven to a Jersey suburb to locate one. Once in New Jersey, identify some serious waddler, follow him until he is on his own, then leap from your limo, toss him on the ground and sit on him.

“A lot of people think that sitting on fat kids is just a mean thing done only by high school bullies,” says one hedge-fund trader — who, like many extremely successful hedge-fund managers, struggled with his appetites when he was himself a child. “That totally misses the point of sitting on a fat kid. The act itself — of hurling a little fat kid to the ground and using him as a human stool — is terribly relaxing. And it’s value neutral, especially after the kid stops screaming. Once you realize that you can literally sit on your own past, and subdue it, you cease to worry about whatever it is you have just done with other people’s money.”

This strategy comes with the small risk that some police officer witnesses the scene and fails to understand your actions. Relax! For those who don’t have the nerve to publicly sit on a fat kid for a few minutes, there are other state-of-the-art calming strategies. Such as …

— Identify people who have no hope in life, and use their distress to soothe your own.

One serious hedge-fund guy who just shorted a huge number of French government bonds told me that, when the pressure of his trade gets too overwhelming, he just goes to his local hospital and checks himself into a cancer ward. Obviously, he doesn’t have cancer; he just uses the people who do, to put his position into deep perspective. (And, of course, offers to donate the money for a new wing to the hospital, in exchange for the bed.) “I don’t know why,” he says, “But it just makes me feel at peace with myself, and all my trades, to be surrounded by people who are seriously worse off than I am. It makes me feel good about my situation, even when my investors just asked me to cut my management fee from 3 and 20 to 2 and 15. There really is no problem so big that a trip to the hospital doesn’t solve it.”

But be warned: This strategy isn’t for everyone. As one of my colleagues put it: “Eventually you just get used to the fact that pretty much everyone in the world has it worse than you do, and so the juice goes out of it. In the presence of other human beings, you just feel numb — because you have nothing in common with them. I tried hanging around with sick animals and even some fish, but they never worked as well.”

A few extremely successful Wall Street guys even claim this particular calming strategy has led to negative psychological returns. “Surrounded by people who don’t know how long they have to live just emphasizes how serious the pressures are on me,” as one trader out it. “Because my problems are much more relentless. When you have terminal cancer you probably aren’t in these markets, and so you don’t have to face the harsh reality that your net worth is on the line every day.”

Which brings me to the third strategy:

— Find someone who can help you to see the humor in your problems.

I can already hear a lot of guys thinking, “But there is no humor in my problems.” The answer is to cast your mind back in human history and ask: Who in the past most resembles you, in the seriousness of their emotional and psychological trials? To ask the question is to answer it: monarchs. The rulers of nations also shared our biggest source of stress: that no one dared make light of them. They, like us, were surrounded by courtiers and toadies and liars; they, like us, faced both the love and the hostility of an entire society. But they found a way to cope with their stress: a lowly but witty person who could serve as their Fool. Every extremely successful financier, like every king, can benefit from employing a court jester.

This person’s job is to find the humor in you and your problems. Of course, he will usually fail to do so, because there is nothing the slightest bit ridiculous about you or your problems. But his failure in itself you will find calming. And you can pay him next to nothing.

In the end, we who sit on top of the financial world all need to remember that anxiety is a relative thing. The best among us realize that it doesn’t matter how much of it we feel, so long as everyone else in the financial markets feels more of it. And so if you don’t have the stomach for these cutting-edge stress-relieving strategies, you can always just give up trying to reduce your own stress, and instead create more stress for other people. Stage a raid on some totally unsuspecting company, for example, or just go on TV and say you’re getting the hell out of the markets and putting everything into cash.

It’s a less original solution, but it totally works.

To contact the writer of this article: Michael Lewis at mlewis1@bloomberg.net.

To contact the editor responsible for this article: Marty Schenker at mschenker@bloomberg.net.


16 posted on 06/16/2014 5:19:58 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Hold on a second, there’s a kid waddling down the street now. I’ll be back.


17 posted on 06/16/2014 5:49:10 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Wyatt's Torch

When I first saw that I thot the title was “A Brazilianairs’s Guide...”


18 posted on 06/16/2014 6:36:06 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: All

Russell 2000 now in plus land...


19 posted on 06/16/2014 6:38:14 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Last week sector performance:


20 posted on 06/16/2014 7:33:38 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch
Thanks for posting. I now have a new strategy thanks to this enlightening article. The bad side of town is swarming with fat kids.

/s

21 posted on 06/16/2014 8:28:27 AM PDT by BipolarBob
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To: BipolarBob

Perfect! Let me know some good stock tips after you sit on them ;-)


22 posted on 06/16/2014 9:18:38 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; Aquamarine; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...

Looks like stocks did OK yesterday in spite of everything, and today index futures are up beat also.  Yesterdays reports came in better than expected and today we got Housing Starts/Building Permits + CPI.  Other news:

Market Edges Up, But Leading Stocks Shine  06/16/2014 07:00 PM ET - Stocks chopped around and ended mildly higher for a second straight session Monday. But it was the leaders that gave a strong showing...

Asian stocks mixed as investors wait for Fed Washington Post - 5 hours ago HONG KONG - Asian stocks were mixed Tuesday as investors remained cautious ahead of a meeting by the Federal Reserve that's expected to give an update on forecasts for the world's No.

David Brat Gets It Right About the Subprime Crisis - Editorial, Investor's

Regulations Are Strangling the Internet Economy - Wayne Brough, RCM


23 posted on 06/17/2014 4:08:10 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Wyatt's Torch
tx fer the sector chart; where did u say that came from?

Interesting that it's got the s&p down, this other site breaks down the s&p into its own sectors w/ an aplet for time frames; this is what I was looking at (from here) for a day/week/month:


24 posted on 06/17/2014 5:30:33 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Got it from a trader on Twitter

Housing starts miss, Permits miss, CPI miss


25 posted on 06/17/2014 5:33:24 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Yeah, no I remember.

Dang, the rpts all disappointed; index futures tanking...


26 posted on 06/17/2014 6:24:39 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

In the for what it’s worth department truckers are shipping more

“ATA Truck Tonnage Index Increased 1% in May

Arlington, Va. — American Trucking Associations’ advanced seasonally adjusted For-Hire Truck Tonnage Index increased 1% in May, following a revised 0.9% gain the previous month. In May, the index equaled 129.7 (2000=100) versus 128.3 in April. The index is off just 1% from the all-time high in November 2013 (131.0).

Compared with May 2013, the SA index increased 3.4%, down from April’s 4.2% year-over-year gain, but is the second largest increase in 2014. Year-to-date, compared with the same period last year, tonnage is up 2.9%.”

http://www.trucking.org/article.aspx?uid=7e9648a1-c98b-4cf1-aee1-df3d18d644c4


27 posted on 06/17/2014 9:43:03 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; Aquamarine; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...

Good morning!  After yesterday morning's report scare the day ended as "Nasdaq and S&P 500 extended their winning streaks to three sessions Tuesday"  and now we've got futures upbeat --ok, stock indexes barely up waiting for the Fed rates.  Today also the trade balance and the Mortgage Index.  Some headlines:

Dollar holds firm as markets sniff risks of Fed hawkishness The dollar held firm on Wednesday after a surprisingly high reading for U.S. inflation raised expectations that Federal Reserve Chair Janet Yellen could strike a more hawkish tone on the monetary policy outlook. The risk of a faster U.S. policy tightening was high enough to keep European stocks on the defensive, following earlier…
Consumer price index jumps 0.4% in May as inflation heats up Los Angeles Times - 9 hours ago Food prices rose 0.7% in May. The recent surge in the consumer price index was caused largely by rising prices for food and gasoline.
Fed could jolt markets with rate-hike views MarketWatch - 5 hours ago NEW YORK (MarketWatch) - U.S. investors are catching a case of the Fed-day jitters, an old nemesis that temporarily disappeared from the markets.
Where Did All The Young Workers Go? - Stephen Moore, Investor's Business
The Inflation Era Has Arrived! - EconMatters
Is The Taper Too Little, Too Late? - Jeffrey Snider, Alhambra Partners


28 posted on 06/18/2014 3:28:27 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin
truckers are shipping more

Tx fer the headsup, and shipping growth seems to be longer term:

After my morning coffee it'd be nice to see if the numbers go back a decade or two and what happened after.

29 posted on 06/18/2014 3:34:32 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Here is a longer term chart back to 73.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-yQwcOosrQqM/TqcGiQ3cUbI/AAAAAAAAK_M/a2EhTIHei8o/s1600/ATATruckingSept2011.jpg


30 posted on 06/18/2014 4:04:56 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin; expat_panama

http://www.investopedia.com/terms/d/djta.asp

Definition of ‘Dow Jones Transportation Average - DJTA’

A price-weighted average of 20 transportation stocks traded in the United States. The Dow Jones Transportation Average (DJTA) is the oldest U.S. stock index, compiled in 1884 by Charles Dow, co-founder of Dow Jones & Company. The index initially consisted of nine railroad companies - a testament to their dominance of the U.S. transportation sector in the late 19th and early 20th centuries - and two non-railroad companies. In addition to railroads, the index now includes airlines, trucking, marine transportation, delivery services and logistics companies.

Railroad Union Pacific is the only one of the original DJTA components to continue in the index.

The Dow Jones Transportation Average is closely watched to confirm the state of the U.S economy, especially by proponents of Dow Theory. This theory maintains that as the industrials make and the transports take, the DJTA should confirm the trend of the Dow Jones Industrial Average (DJIA), with a divergence indicating a potential reversal of the trend. In other words, if the DJIA is climbing while the DJTA is falling, it may signal economic weakness ahead, since goods are not being transported at the same rate at which they are being produced, suggesting a decline in nationwide demand.


31 posted on 06/18/2014 4:17:44 AM PDT by abb
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To: abb

Thanks. I was basically just a casual observer of the Dow but your link led me to this

Why The Dow Matters
http://www.investopedia.com/articles/stocks/08/dow-history.asp

I think I may start watching a little closer.


32 posted on 06/18/2014 4:44:07 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: abb; Lurkina.n.Learnin
TX!  Interesting how the two indexes work together (graph DJTI + Truck Index).

Kind of looks like the stocks are a leading indicator for production as usual, but production in the services is so hard to really measure, especially shipping.  Usually measured in "ton-miles" but if some shipper runs a super computer program that reroutes trucks so as to increase deliveries and cut miles then production numbers fall while profits soar and customers are ecstatic.

Another question I got is how come if you send something by land it's called a "shipment" but if you send it by sea it's called a "cargo"?

33 posted on 06/18/2014 5:04:01 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama
Post Fed reaction:


34 posted on 06/18/2014 1:03:15 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Cool!


35 posted on 06/18/2014 1:12:47 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

I think Jonny Manziel is in there somewhere...


36 posted on 06/18/2014 1:18:30 PM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
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To: Wyatt's Torch

Can’t say I blame him.


37 posted on 06/18/2014 1:28:08 PM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; Aquamarine; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...

Good Morning!  Stocks rallied in higher volume and the major indexes scored a fourth gain in a row Wednesday and this morning all futures markets (except energies) are up --stock indexes +0.06% and metals +0.59%.  Reports today:

  Initial Claims
Continuing Claims
Philadelphia Fed
Leading Indicators
Natural Gas Inventories

Usually reliable confirmation bias sources:

Fed-fueled stocks fly, dollar sags; oil nine-month high on Iraq  Global stocks and emerging market assets rallied on Thursday after the U.S. Federal Reserve signaled that rising inflation won't trigger an interest rate rise any time soon.
China says moving 2nd rig closer to Vietnam BEIJING (AP) — China said Thursday it was moving a second oil rig closer to the Vietnamese coast in disputed waters, near where ships from the two countries have been ramming each other in a tense confrontation. Associated Press
Investors Have Reason To Expect A Great 4th Quarter - Ken Fisher, Forbes
Current Econ. Policies Not Working for Americans - Kevin Williamson, NR
The NY Times Gets Real About the Economy - John Crudele, New York Post
Lost Jobs Are Just 'Collateral Damage' to Warmists - Editorial, Investor's
What Are the Feds Hiding About Fannie, Freddie? - Richard Epstein, RCM

38 posted on 06/19/2014 4:09:04 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: abb; Abigail Adams; abigail2; AK_47_7.62x39; Aliska; Aquamarine; Archie Bunker on steroids; ...

Stocks ended almost flat Thursday and this mornings futures are too --got a rl prob here but will be back in a bit and after all, nothing bad could possibly happen first thing today, right?

39 posted on 06/20/2014 4:22:52 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Gold rallied with the market yesterday.
ORCL looks interesting below $40/shr.


40 posted on 06/20/2014 4:26:11 AM PDT by BipolarBob (Obama - The Scandal a Week President.)
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To: expat_panama

” nothing bad could possibly happen first thing today, right”

So much for that theory. I broke both yolks frying my eggs this morning.


41 posted on 06/20/2014 4:56:24 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: BipolarBob

Yeah, June’s been an even better month for metals than stocks. ORCL has a lot going for it, tho recent earnings drops seem to have come w/ dumping by institutions.


42 posted on 06/20/2014 6:14:27 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: Lurkina.n.Learnin

tx fer the warning, I’d better scramble mine this AM as a hedge...


43 posted on 06/20/2014 6:17:44 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: expat_panama

Awfully close to 17K for the DOW. Probably NOT today though.


44 posted on 06/20/2014 9:58:07 AM PDT by Qwackertoo (Going into Politic Free Zone Momma Grizzly hibernation for a while after this week, maybe forever.)
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To: Qwackertoo

It gets weird how traders can react to number levels like that. Let’s see in the last few min. whether they can accept that last 1/10% growth to the finish line.


45 posted on 06/20/2014 12:45:31 PM PDT by expat_panama
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