Skip to comments.Magna Carta
Posted on 06/15/2014 8:49:29 AM PDT by ZULU
John, by the grace of God, king of England, lord of Ireland, duke of Normandy and Aquitaine, and count of Anjou, to the archbishops, bishops, abbots, earls, barons, justiciars, foresters, sheriffs, stewards, servants, and to all his bailiffs and faithful subjects, greeting.
Know that, having regard to God and for the salvation of our soul, and those of all our ancestors and heirs, and unto the honour of God and the advancement of the holy Church, and for the reform of our realm, by advice of our venerable fathers, Stephen archbishop of Canterbury, primate of all England and cardinal of the holy Roman church, Henry archbishop of Dublin, William of London, Peter of Winchester, Jocelyn of Bath and Glastonbury, Hugh of Lincoln, Walter of Worcester, William of Coventry, Benedict of Rochester, bishops; of master Pandulf, subdeacon and member of the household of our lord the Pope, of brother Aymeric (master of the Knights of the Temple in England), and of the illustrious men William Marshall earl of Pembroke, William earl of Salisbury, William earl of Warenne, William earl of Arundel, Alan of Galloway (constable of Scotland), Waren Fitz Gerald, Peter Fits Herbert, Hubert de Burgh (seneschal of Poitou), Hugh de Neville, Matthew Fitz Herbert, Thomas Basset, Alan Basset, Philip dAubigny, Robert of Roppesley, John Marshall, John Fitz Hugh, and of other faithful subjects.
An excerpt. Se link for entire document in translation,
I had the pleasure of seeing one of the original copies of the Magna Carta which is in Salisbury Cathedral. Impressive.
The information there said that King John later died of dysentery, brought on my eating too many peaches. I guess he was the first head of state ever impeached. Some also say that we sometimes refer to the water closet as a “john” in commemoration of the place that King John died.
John did renege on his promises which caused some of his supporters who signed as guarantors to go with the barons in subsequent conflicts.
I have been able to trace several family lines to the guarantors, William earl of Salisbury, William earl of Warenne, and one line to King John. William earl of Salisbury was also known as William Longspee and was the the son of Henry II by one of his mistresses, half-brother to King John.
The barons were primarily interested in maintaining control of their individual fiefdoms and most didn’t give a damn about the serfs and common man.
The basic concept of limiting royal power have renewed meaning today in this republic that threw off the chains of royal tyranny only to have a kenyan usurper set himself up as an autocratic ruler.
He and his party, one way or the other, need to be swept into the cesspool of history.
Ping for later reading.
Yep. The opposition to him was a coalition of the Church and (most of) the barons. John detached the Church by the simple, though dishonorable, expedient of making England a vassal state of the Papacy. Pope promptly annulled Magna Carta, or tried to, and ordered churchmen to support John.
Interestingly, many modern historians consider John to have been a pretty good king, by modern standards, as opposed to his brother Richard certainly, who was terrible by today’s standards.
But those weren’t the standards that were relevant. No English king, not even Richard III or Charles I, has ever been as unanimously loathed by his people as John. You my note there has never been a John II.
The basic reason is that personal honor was the basis of society at the time. A vassal’s life and property and family were more or less utterly dependent on his lord’s honoring his commitments. When a lord was dishonorable, or perceived to be, everything fell apart.
Richard was perceived as highly honorable, and John as utterly dishonorable.
Since the Julian Calendar was in use then, the actual anniversary will be on June 22.
Yes,it was 1215(Runnymede).William didn’t defeat Harold until 1066(Hastings).
And a copy will be in Houston for viewing. I plan to take my family.
I remember reading a book on the Magna Carta a couple of years ago and noticed that they used locally made wine to seal the deal.
Vineyards and wine in England?
Whole lotta Global Warming going on back then.
new translation of the Magna Carta at the link
|Number of Vineyards:||432|
|Average Size of Vineyard:||3.33 Hectares|
|Annual Production:||1.03m bottles|
|Total Hectarage under vine:||1,438 Hectares|
|Number of Wineries:||128|
Thanks for the ping. The Magna Carta was a large step in the right direction.
“Vineyards and wine in England?”
Didn’t Vikings find grapes in Newfoundland (Vineland)?
‘Vitis riparia’ wild grapes still grow there wild.
And that’s just the “To:” line of the document. Now we expect the whole thing to fit in that space.
Houston is the first city outside of the United Kingdom to host the Magna Carta. The historic document is on exhibit at the Houston Museum of Natural Science until August 17 when it will fly home to Hereford Cathedral for its 800th anniversary.
We were assigned to read and discuss this back in high school. I doubt that it is even mentioned in todays high schools.
I remember when I first read it that I was disappointed. It seemed to be mainly the rich carving out protections for themselves. In addition there was a lot of settling of scores (a number of people and their families were banned from holding any kind of office). However, I have since realized that it was the first baby step and for that reason, important.
“However, I have since realized that it was the first baby step and for that reason, important.”
There were many steps before and after, see:
Things in effective governance proceed by degrees or they are unstable. The idiots who keep beating the Founding Fathers over the head over the slavery issue is an example.
Those fools seem unable to realize that the transition from subject to citizen was traumatic enough.
It took over 1000 yrs of political evolution and experimentation in England to result in the Declaration of Independence and Constitution.
That’s why it was equally idiotic to think a bunch of pastoral troglodytes in the Middle East could be brought screaming and kicking into a 21st Century Democracy overnight when they hadn’t taken any of the preliminary steps on their own.
We are very very fortunate and owe a lot to our English cultural and legal forebearers for what we currently enjoy - and are in danger of losing to Islamic chaos.
It’s slow and steady compromise and not bloody revolution. That’s good politics and conservatives have to recognize that conservative politicians cannot move in a straight line back to the Constitution. It’s not that easy.
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