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IT experts call BS on IRS claim to have lost Lois Lerner emails
American Thinker ^ | 06/15/2014 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 06/15/2014 12:48:57 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The cover-up is always worse than the crime, the conclusion drawn from Watergate, does not seem to have been learned by the IRS or whoever directed it to make the claim late Friday that emails from Lois Lerner to outside agencies (including most notably the White House) were lost in a computer “crash.” That claim is risible according to various experts.

Jason Howerton of The Blaze interviewed veteran IT expert Norman Cillo, “an Army veteran who worked in intelligence and a former program manager at Microsoft,” who laid out six reasons, complete with charts, why he believes Congress is being lied to. Among them:

  1. I believe the government uses Microsoft Exchange for their email servers. They have built-in exchange mail database redundancy. So, unless they did not follow Microsofts recommendations they are telling a falsehood. (snip)
  2. Every IT organization that I know of has hotswappable disk drives. Every server built since 2000 has them. Meaning that if a single disk goes bad it’s easy to replace. (snip)
  3. ALL Servers use some form of RAID technology. The only way that data can be totally lost (Meaning difficult to bring back) is if more than a single disk goes before the first bad disk is replaced….

 

He notes “All email servers in a professional organization use TAPE backup. Meaning if all the above fails, you can restore the server using the TAPE backups.”

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: email; irs; loislerner

1 posted on 06/15/2014 12:48:58 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

My cat calls BS on it.


2 posted on 06/15/2014 12:51:05 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind

Heck! Just go to NSA because they record everything. Bet they could find them in a snap.


3 posted on 06/15/2014 12:51:52 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: SeekAndFind

A woman called in to the Mark Levin show who said she worked for the private contractor who supplies IT to the IRS. She said the IRS has never reported any crash or loss of data with their systems to her company.


4 posted on 06/15/2014 1:05:21 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hey Mr. Lifson, I was hoping to read some original reporting. Guess not. I’ve already read the Blaze article.


5 posted on 06/15/2014 1:07:11 PM PDT by upchuck (... honesty is the never-ending rehearsal for those who want to be the friends of God...)
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To: SeekAndFind

We use Barracuda Networks to archive our exchange. Someone would have to intentionally log in as admin and manually delete the email from there *after* it was deleted from the user’s exchange inbox. I call BS as well.


6 posted on 06/15/2014 1:07:58 PM PDT by miliantnutcase
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t forget Mx files.

purjury. ...


7 posted on 06/15/2014 1:18:22 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: SeekAndFind

Don’t forget these are the same people that created the Most Excellent Obamacare site ,they know what they’re talking about, Dude


8 posted on 06/15/2014 1:22:27 PM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: SeekAndFind
I am no computer expert but knew when the claim was made it was a complete falsehood. Both redundancy and an inherent inability to truly lose files (they can be recovered) militate against any such occurrence.

This administration, starting at the top, exist on lies.

9 posted on 06/15/2014 1:23:48 PM PDT by Robwin
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s see, I know the emails are here somewhere. Nope they’re gone. Dag nabbit.


10 posted on 06/15/2014 1:30:16 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: SeekAndFind
The cover-up is always worse than the crime

I would disagree with the "always" part.

Maybe this time even a blatantly obvious coverup is better than the crime.

11 posted on 06/15/2014 1:32:01 PM PDT by seowulf (Cogito cogito, ergo cogito sum. Cogito.---Ambrose Bierce)
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To: Robwin
I am no computer expert but knew when the claim was made it was a complete falsehood.

Yup, all lies from the IRS. I was responsible for hundreds of servers. One of the musts is to have redundancy. We had RAID hard drives go out from time to time. I would pull the drive, put in a new one, and the system would rebuild the missing one. Backups were redundant. If a daily backup failed, you had the weekly ones, and you could recover from monthly ones. Grandfather backups. Then there were the tape backups that went offsite to a secure location. We would request those if needed to get at data that was many years old. There was no losing data unless it was intentional.

12 posted on 06/15/2014 1:37:28 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: SeekAndFind

Pure BS is right... If it got sent through the internet I have always heard its impossible to delete completely... not to mention I am sure the NSA has a backup copy of every email ever sent...


13 posted on 06/15/2014 1:39:23 PM PDT by AzNASCARfan
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To: SeekAndFind
There is continuous backup through RAID (redundant storage), incremental, and full backups. I designed hosted banking systems that ran > $100 billion in loans per year. We never lost a bit or a byte. We also had to manage email communications to a similar level.

There are local, on-site, and off-site copies / backups - especially if the emails are more than a couple of seconds apart (backups occur continuously on-site, and periodically off site - probably nightly or during off-peak times).

14 posted on 06/15/2014 1:43:52 PM PDT by uncommonsense (Liberals see what they believe; Conservatives believe what they see.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Funny how the MSM have no interest in letting any IT experts near a camera or mic concerning this topic.


15 posted on 06/15/2014 1:47:43 PM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: ArtDodger; uncommonsense; AzNASCARfan; roadcat; seowulf; Conspiracy Guy; Robwin; Vendome
I think Ms. Lerner had better start sleeping with one eye open, and stay out of small airplanes.

She gets to be too big of a liability, she just might end up sleeping with the fishes.

16 posted on 06/15/2014 1:53:21 PM PDT by onona (I’ve pretty much given up on sanity returning.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Somebody HAS to be the “Custodian” of these things. Haul him in, grill him, then toss his sloppy inconsiderate ass into jail. Unless of course the data happen then to turn up...


17 posted on 06/15/2014 1:54:57 PM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: TalBlack

I expect Mr. Obama to find the missing emails on his
dresser as he comes out of the bathroom...

Why not, it worked for Herself...


18 posted on 06/15/2014 2:02:48 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SeekAndFind
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The Evil TEA Party stole all Miss Lerner's e-mails!!!

19 posted on 06/15/2014 2:03:49 PM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: SeekAndFind

I run a couple small businesses. Not wealthy. Not a lot of resources.

EVERYTHING I send by email or create on my computer is automatically backed up off site. EVERYTHING. And it does not cost squat.

This claim by the IRS is beyond ridiculous!


20 posted on 06/15/2014 2:09:15 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sadly, I think Ed Rollins was right on Fox this morning when he said these disappeared emails will just be overtaken in another week by some bit of corruption or poor leadership even more bizarre and lost in the shuffle - the endgame for Obama ans his ilk is becoming more and more obvious - flood the system with so much lawlessness and corruption that even the most dedicated and informed people simply becoms overwhelmed with it all and give up any expectation that any of it will ever be punished or remedied - going Galt will be the new normal as people try to stay afloat in their own lives and let the thugs and brigands rule the land......


21 posted on 06/15/2014 2:09:15 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: Intolerant in NJ

It is called the Cloward-Piven (sp?) strategy, and obastard’s handlers have it down to a t...


22 posted on 06/15/2014 2:11:31 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: tet68

Wait, let me fix that..

I expect Mr. Obama to find the missing emails on his
dresser as he comes out of the closet...


23 posted on 06/15/2014 2:12:01 PM PDT by tet68 ( " We would not die in that man's company, that fears his fellowship to die with us...." Henry V.)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is obvious, in your face, we don’t care what you say, just try and impeach me, shut the f up, screw you we’re not giving you the emails, fake.


24 posted on 06/15/2014 2:13:12 PM PDT by DouglasKC
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To: piytar

Right....


25 posted on 06/15/2014 2:15:11 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: SeekAndFind

The WH just may have found how far is to far?.


26 posted on 06/15/2014 2:18:04 PM PDT by Vaduz
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To: Intolerant in NJ

Was that “Right” or “Right /sarc”? Sorry, my /sarc detector is broken right now.


27 posted on 06/15/2014 2:20:15 PM PDT by piytar (The predator-class is furious that their prey are shooting back.)
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To: onona

Who was the Hawaiian official that died after the water ditching that everyone else survived?


28 posted on 06/15/2014 2:20:26 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: SeekAndFind

I am a photographer.

I have a digital database of photos going back to 2001. It is redundant, hot swappable and on it’s own backed up power supply. Current projects are backed up to the cloud to boot.

And I don’t even know what I am doing.

This is such crap.

I think these guys imagine the general public as the confused old ladies who still write checks at the grocery store.


29 posted on 06/15/2014 2:22:31 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: SeekAndFind
he believes Congress is being lied to.

Everyone knows this. The Obama Regime knows it. Congress knows it. The public knows it. Three year olds know this.

The question is what is Congress going to do about it? If past action is any indication I predict they will do nothing of consequence.

30 posted on 06/15/2014 2:22:58 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I spent over 30 years in the computer business, back from when IBM 360 with either massive tape drives were dominant and on up until just a couple years ago. Over the course of those years I had the opportunity to run two different software development and web service companies with thousands upon thousands of clients. Which is to say I know all about email storage, backup and email security...and what the IRS is saying is virtually impossible.

Even reasonably smart criminals bent on erasing their email information today most often fail in such efforts, so how could it occur accidentally? This is because of how many redundant copies are made of almost all emails.

Emails typically hop through multiple routers outside the control of either the sender or their recipient to get to an addressee. This routing methodology or SMTP, (Simple Mail Transfer Protocol) is the foundation of virtually the entire email world.

To make it easy to understand, this is a “store and forward” methodology or process that is very insecure because so many copies of an email are made by third parties or service providers who are independent of either the sender or recipient.

It is what it is. Period.

You see, much of the various advertising services of Google and others offer businesses is dependent on being able to scan the content (communications) of the billion plus emails that hop through the Internet daily. Secure forms of email would have no reason to exist if this were not true. It is one of the ways such online advertising service providers enrich and keep current the profiles they maintain on virtually all email users they can snag an address on. Again, what the IRS is claiming if virtually impossible in general.

On top of this large organization typically set up proxy servers which copy any outside email coming into their systems, so even if Lois was using an outside service, copies of all exchanges going around their “inhouse” email system would get copied.

The only reasonable conclusion is that for the IRS to put out such an obviously bogus story the emails in question must contain some pretty damaging information that goes straight up the line to someone really important.


31 posted on 06/15/2014 2:31:37 PM PDT by kimoajax (Rack'em & Stack'em)
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To: SeekAndFind

Even IF (a big if) the stars aligned properly and the IRS lost her files, all her emails on the server, AND the backups, these emails would be recoverable from the originating/receiving servers (White House, DOJ, Treasury, etc.)


32 posted on 06/15/2014 2:47:11 PM PDT by jim-x (9/11/2001 - Never forget, Never forgive.)
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To: smoothsailing

RICO, lots of people need to be charged.


33 posted on 06/15/2014 2:51:20 PM PDT by phormer phrog phlyer
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To: DouglasKC

Exactly. Just another middle finger in the face of America. soetoro knows the Republicans don’t have the ba!!$ to do anything about it.


34 posted on 06/15/2014 3:30:48 PM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
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To: Conspiracy Guy
The Hawaii official who verified and released President Barack Obama’s birth certificate has died in a plane crash, authorities said.

Loretta Fuddy, the director of the state Department of Health, was one of nine people aboard the Honolulu-bound Cessna Grand Caravan plane that crashed in Hawaii waters shortly after leaving Kalaupapa Airport.

Fuddy, 65, was the only one killed; eight others, including the pilot, survived.

35 posted on 06/15/2014 4:06:08 PM PDT by onona (I’ve pretty much given up on sanity returning.)
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To: kimoajax

The IRS may have “lost” the emails they sent or received. There should be records of IRS communications in other
departments, (DOJ, Social Security, etc, etc). You don’t
suppose a Tea storm washed away ALL traces of Lerner files?
(SARC++++++)


36 posted on 06/15/2014 4:58:13 PM PDT by hdstmf
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To: piytar

That’s “Right” as in I think you are absolutely correct - I’ve resisted the Cloward-Piven explanation because I couldn’t figure out how people who are always yapping about how much concern they have for the poor and downtrodden could not see that crashing the system would only leave these unfortunates worse off than they are now - then I remembered something I’ve actually believed for years - in spite of all their yapping, these people’s first concern is themselves - as long as they gain power, screw the poor and the downtrodden....


37 posted on 06/15/2014 9:16:04 PM PDT by Intolerant in NJ
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To: onona

That’s the one I was thinking of. Could not remember her name.


38 posted on 06/16/2014 1:32:43 AM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Stop wishing for a perfect world. You may get it. Who will you talk to then?)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bump. This is not getting nearly enough press.


39 posted on 06/16/2014 5:27:27 AM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The shriveled up old hag lied to us.


40 posted on 06/16/2014 9:51:35 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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