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U.S. Navy ship with 550 Marines on board entering Gulf: CNN
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Posted on 06/16/2014 5:00:10 AM PDT by sunmars

The USS Mesa Verde with 550 Marines on board entered the Gulf on Monday to support possible U.S. action to help Iraq's Shi'ite-led government combat a Sunni Islamist insurgency that has overtaken large areas of the country's north, CNN reported. The USS Mesa Verde joins the aircraft carrier USS George H.W. Bush, which the Pentagon ordered on Saturday to move into the Gulf. President Barack Obama has said he is considering military action, short of putting U.S. troops in Iraq, to aid that government's efforts to stop the insurgency.

(Excerpt) Read more at reuters.com ...


TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: baghdad; embassy; evacuation; iraq; isis; marines; ussmesaverde
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Looks like a full scale evac is on the cards.....
1 posted on 06/16/2014 5:00:10 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars

Should have evacuated our guys a week ago.


2 posted on 06/16/2014 5:02:17 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Obama relied on his National Security team, therefore, there was no heads up on this crisis, he was on hole #8 when he heard it on the radio.


3 posted on 06/16/2014 5:03:51 AM PDT by Netz
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To: sunmars

No ground troops was the call, so extraction of Americans from Baghdad looks to be on the agenda today. Better make it fast.


4 posted on 06/16/2014 5:05:28 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: sunmars

I can see the Marines pushing the helicopters overboard once again to make room for the Vietnamese, oops, I mean Iraqi friends of America. Imagine how Benjamin Netanyahui feels right now watching his key ally go down the tubes due to inaction...


5 posted on 06/16/2014 5:05:34 AM PDT by Netz
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To: sunmars

yep.

San Antonio Class amphibious transport dock.

Aircraft: Four CH-46 Sea Knight helicopters or two MV-22 Osprey tilt rotor aircraft may be launched or recovered simultaneously. The ship’s hangar can store 1-2 aircraft.


6 posted on 06/16/2014 5:05:35 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Netz
Why is Susan Rice NSA?

Her jump shot in college?

She comes from a long line of Apparatchik?

7 posted on 06/16/2014 5:06:24 AM PDT by Rome2000
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To: sunmars

550 Marines?

Looks like a Saigon redux...


8 posted on 06/16/2014 5:06:44 AM PDT by ScottinVA (If it doesn't include border security, it isn't "reform." It's called "amnesty.")
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To: sunmars

Just throw a hashtag at ‘em bambi that’ll fix it, hashtags fix everything!


9 posted on 06/16/2014 5:06:59 AM PDT by V_TWIN (white pri)
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To: sunmars
You can bet that it will be handled with all the ‘expertise’ and ‘finesse’ the “O” WH is capable of.

Oi veh!

Yet ANOTHER abysmal American failure and embarrassment for all the world to see and which will be howling down at US Presidents and diplomats for decades to come.

10 posted on 06/16/2014 5:07:07 AM PDT by SMARTY ("When you blame others, you give up your power to change." Robert Anthony)
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To: Genoa; All
Here's a question..we spent billions on the Embassy in Bagdad. Do we just abandon it, let ISIS use it as their seat of power, or blow it up?
11 posted on 06/16/2014 5:07:17 AM PDT by ken5050 ("One useless man is a shame, two are a law firm, three or more are a Congress".. John Adams)
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To: ken5050

Blow it up once we’re out, for god’s know what secrets they have in there.


12 posted on 06/16/2014 5:08:26 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: ken5050
Here's a question..we spent billions on the Embassy in Bagdad. Do we just abandon it, let ISIS use it as their seat of power, or blow it up?

I say we abandon it, but I don't think Iran will tolerate a permanent ISIS presence in Baghdad.

13 posted on 06/16/2014 5:09:31 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

Not when the Iranians will be occupying it instead.....after the years Iran and Iraq spent fighting and getting nowhere and the iranians are going to waltz in there with open arms.


14 posted on 06/16/2014 5:10:47 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: sunmars
"Looks like a full scale evac is on the cards"

Are we going to see something similar to the fall of Saigon? As they say, that would be some REALLY bad... "optics".

If that happens, and the republicans had a functioning brain stem(I know...), they would make 0bama OWN this collapse.

15 posted on 06/16/2014 5:11:18 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: sunmars

Yes, the Shiites in Iraq will welcome the Iranians as their deliverers. Baghdad is about half Shiite, or so I read. This is the opportunity of a lifetime for the mullahs in Tehran.


16 posted on 06/16/2014 5:12:41 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Netz

And any aircraft tossed over the side will not be replaced, have to budget for EBT, illegals, more welfare, etc.


17 posted on 06/16/2014 5:14:00 AM PDT by wally_bert (There are no winners in a game of losers. I'm Tommy Joyce, welcome to the Oriental Lounge.q)
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To: sunmars

Maybe the same could have been said of Benghazi? We would not have needed to fly anything over their airspace except for a Tomahawk or two.

This ship is attached to the Bataan Battle group and the Bataan will be the destination of any people rescued.


18 posted on 06/16/2014 5:15:07 AM PDT by mazda77
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To: Rome2000
Obama’s National Security Team are doing their job well. The entire team has their heads in the sand and their rear ends, way up in the air, waiting for a horny camel. Sorry folks, I couldn't resist but it's true.
People may have hated Bush, but they respected him. People hate Obama and do not respect him hence America's enemies are trampling the President, daily.
19 posted on 06/16/2014 5:19:24 AM PDT by Netz
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To: sunmars
Obama and Iran are going to make a deal.

Obama doesn't remember the hostage crisis. He wasn't old enough to read.

20 posted on 06/16/2014 5:21:12 AM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Sacajaweau

Obama and Iran are both on the sidelines

The Arabs are in charge of both sides of the fray


21 posted on 06/16/2014 5:23:30 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: SMARTY

Mission accomplished.


22 posted on 06/16/2014 5:24:08 AM PDT by kabar
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To: sunmars

Why was Iran trying to create so much unrest in Iraq right after Gulf War II? They’re looking for an opportunity to take over, sort of like how Syria took over Lebanon when there was a power vacuum there.


23 posted on 06/16/2014 5:27:59 AM PDT by Telepathic Intruder (The only thing the Left has learned from the failures of socialism is not to call it that)
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To: Telepathic Intruder

Breaking : U.S. Secretary of State John Kerry says U.S. drone strikes “may well be” an option to tackle ‘Isis’ militants in Iraq.

This falls into the no **** sherlock category.


24 posted on 06/16/2014 5:34:30 AM PDT by sunmars
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To: KoRn

Baghdad isn’t Saigon.

It’s a good 350miles inland.

Even with a battalion off the coast, you’re only talking about 15 minutes of ground power before they run out of ammo.

Provided an adversary lacks the ability to perform a coordinated attack or they are less than about 2000 in number, it isn’t a pretty situation.

The only evacuation possible with the numbers given in the press, is a peaceful evacuation.


25 posted on 06/16/2014 5:36:51 AM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: wally_bert
Does anybody remember a term coined (I think by Nixon) called “Vietnaminization”?

Whereby as US forces slowly pull out and empower South Vietnamese forces to fill our vacuum? We saw that crumble like a house of cards.

Well, since 1973 what have we learned? Anybody? Really? Nothing? All those lives & resources, all that debt? OK so Bush tried to create change in the Arab world starting in Afghanistan and in Iraq. It worked for a short period before petering out.

The Arab world was shocked and awed by Bush the “Cowboy”, there was, R-E-S-P-E-C-T. Syria pulled out of Lebanon and America's friends and enemies tipped their hats (or Kaffiyehs).

Now, seeing the President lift barbells? His red lines in the sand, backed up by his now famous grimace? Oh, how pathetic does he (we) look on the world stage? Terror unhinged, unchecked and winning. Oh, I forgot, Obama killed Osama...

26 posted on 06/16/2014 5:51:40 AM PDT by Netz
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To: sunmars

Everything i have saw and read that was produced by ISIS had/has one theme.

The taking down of Al Aqsa mosque in Jerusalem.

In fact in May not only did Israeli Press bring up this possibility but the Mosque leaders did as well and urged all of Islam to fight the ISIS...mind you that was in May.

Here is a production video from last week by ISIS where they clearly point to Al Aqsa as their goal. Some GRAPHIC scenes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKELtjoNrPU&oref=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DzKELtjoNrPU&has_verified=1


27 posted on 06/16/2014 5:55:11 AM PDT by winoneforthegipper ("If you can't ride two horses at once, you probably shouldn't be in the circus" - SP)
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To: KoRn
Are we going to see something similar to the fall of Saigon? As they say, that would be some REALLY bad... "optics".

If that happens, and the republicans had a functioning brain stem(I know...), they would make 0bama OWN this collapse.

The news "blackout" that seems to be in effect will ensure that there are no optics.

No matter what happens, we'll likely never know.

28 posted on 06/16/2014 6:00:33 AM PDT by Repealthe17thAmendment
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To: Netz

Except this time the Blackhawks full of Iraqis approaching the ships might be Jihadi suicide crews.....


29 posted on 06/16/2014 6:08:01 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: Netz

“...It worked for a short period before petering out....”

It worked for a short period before Obama intentionally allowed it to turn to crap.

There... corrected that for ya....


30 posted on 06/16/2014 6:10:10 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Netz

You are wrong, that’s the myth. Vietnamization was working. The DEAL was we would continue to supply them with supplies and air power as needed. If we had kept our part of the deal Saigon would not have fallen. The NVA invaded with more armor then then was at the battle of Kursk. US air power would have completely destroyed it. When we turned our backs that’s when the ARVN was overwhelmed and list.


31 posted on 06/16/2014 6:13:44 AM PDT by Kozak ("It may be dangerous to be America's enemy, but to be America's friend is fatal" Henry Kissinger)
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To: sunmars

And how many will be KIA? Wounded, disabled?

This is Saigon all over. Hubby was on the USS Midway when they pulled the Amb out. They pushed old Huey’s over board to make room for a Friendly small plane to land, he would not ditch in ocean as he had his family aboard. That plane hangs in the Pensacola Naval Museum.


32 posted on 06/16/2014 6:14:28 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: GailA

Cantor lost because Virginians voted against the GOP-E Leadership: Boehner, Cantor, McCarthy and Ryan.

When Boehner is no longer Speaker the road is then cleared to force Obama to resign, as it is to late for a lengthy Impeachment of Obama.

The longer that We, The People tolerate Boehner as speaker of the House, the longer We, the People are guilty of tolerating Obama as our Taliban Mullah in Chief.


33 posted on 06/16/2014 6:22:03 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: NFHale

OK...thanks.


34 posted on 06/16/2014 6:26:12 AM PDT by Netz
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To: ken5050

booby trap it.


35 posted on 06/16/2014 6:26:34 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: Kozak

Kursk? Didn’t they say the Tank battles in the Israeli Yom Kippur War (1973) was at the Kursk levels?


36 posted on 06/16/2014 6:27:14 AM PDT by Netz
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To: sunmars

Didn’t Obama say “No troops”?
Were these Marines SENT into the theater?


37 posted on 06/16/2014 6:29:03 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama stands for the corruption of America in all aspects.)
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To: sunmars

Is Obama a Shiite or a Sunni?


38 posted on 06/16/2014 6:31:18 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama stands for the corruption of America in all aspects.)
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To: sunmars

Put on your life preserver vests —


39 posted on 06/16/2014 6:33:18 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Kozak
Wow. Nations run a HUGE risk being an ally of the USA.

Wonder what BB in Israel is thinking now about Obama’s pledge that “all options are on the table” regarding Iran.

Never mind, BB knew back in 2009 that Obama was a weak-kneed, “yelluh”, spineless, neutered male. He knew it and began drawing up Plan B to hit Iran but...NOW THAT IRAN is extending a hand to “help” the US in Iraq (well planned out by the Iranians) the US will fall for it and lose everything, thus eliminating Israel's ability to strike.

Oh Obama, such a sucker, such a clown...

40 posted on 06/16/2014 6:33:19 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Rapscallion

Obama does not have the intellect to know he is disgraced and should resign. Leave governing to Americans with some principles.


41 posted on 06/16/2014 6:33:47 AM PDT by Rapscallion (Obama stands for the corruption of America in all aspects.)
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To: Rapscallion

Possibly an Alawite (close to Assad’s clan)...


42 posted on 06/16/2014 6:34:01 AM PDT by Netz
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To: Netz

No offense, brother.


43 posted on 06/16/2014 6:35:42 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: sunmars

Just wondering which country has to fall before Americans declare “enough!” and Congress decides to haul his sorry ass out of there, Kuwait? Saudi Arabia? France?


44 posted on 06/16/2014 6:39:46 AM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: KoRn
they would make 0bama OWN this collapse.

The media is already pushing hard that all of this is Bush's fault for invading Iraq in the first place.

I keep commenting back to these media meme's that the sectarian violence has been going on in the middle east for centuries and isn't about to stop anytime soon.

Oddly, I happen to agree to let them kill each other in a mass Islamic blood bath. Let them set-up their precious Caliphate (prophesied) and then we can at least have a clearly defined enemy in several years and 0bama will be out of office by then.

Election 2016...here we come and I pray it will be with the wisdom and grace of God.

45 posted on 06/16/2014 6:45:28 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: ElkGroveDan

If you believe in “prophesies,” Obama will finish his term. And if all of this is fulfilling prophesy, then recall we are not to be disturbed by today’s events...for they must come to pass as our redemption draws nigh.


46 posted on 06/16/2014 6:47:58 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: Netz

They have some neat footage: USS Midway, click on the different links on the right side as you look at the computer.

http://www.criticalpast.com/video/65675069507_evacuation-of-refugees_Americans-and-South-Vietnamese_USS-Midway_Cessna-aircraft

Hubby was up on observation deck watching. That small plane hangs in the Naval Museum in Pensacola.


47 posted on 06/16/2014 6:49:30 AM PDT by GailA (IF you fail to keep your promises to the Military, you won't keep them to Citizens!)
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To: Cvengr

The question is how many people can fit in a helicopter, how long does it take round-trip, and how many people are on the ground waiting to be rescued.


48 posted on 06/16/2014 6:50:47 AM PDT by PastorBooks
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To: ElkGroveDan
If Saudi Arabia is faced with Iran on their northern border, they will ask Obama for US involvement and they will get it.

49 posted on 06/16/2014 6:51:10 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: sunmars

How many of these will hussein murder this time?


50 posted on 06/16/2014 6:59:41 AM PDT by onedoug
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