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This veteran isn't owed anything. (vanity)
June 16, 2014

Posted on 06/16/2014 9:45:32 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles

As I see it, and saw it, serving my 4 years in the US Navy Submarine Service on the USS Grenadier (SS-525) and the USS George C. Bancroft (SSBN -643) as a TM 3 (MT) was a privilege. I owed my country my time & energy for providing me with the privilege of living in the greatest nation ever to arise on the face of the Earth.

I'm not owed anything. Thank you America, for letting me serve.


TOPICS: Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: va; veteran; vets

1 posted on 06/16/2014 9:45:32 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

But you are owed respect.


2 posted on 06/16/2014 9:48:27 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Genoa

Where have I not gotten respect? I don’t see that I haven’t.

Are you sure you’re not whining?


3 posted on 06/16/2014 9:50:12 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Most of your brother and sister vets ( at least the vocal ones) apparently joined for the benefits. Which is fine. But then they shouldn’t wrap themselves in the flag.


4 posted on 06/16/2014 9:56:13 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Makes me sick to hear the whining and sense of entitlement. It ain’t conservative that’s for sure!


5 posted on 06/16/2014 9:57:15 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I agree. Likewise, I am owed nothing for my six years aborad the USS Iwo Jima LPH2 and the USS Farragut DDG47.


6 posted on 06/16/2014 9:57:19 AM PDT by yuleeyahoo (Liberty is not collective, it is personal. All liberty is individual liberty. - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I wouldn’t begrudge owing somebody who was permanently disabled through active service though.


7 posted on 06/16/2014 10:04:22 AM PDT by sinsofsolarempirefan
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

The only benefit my father got for his service in WWII was a 8X12 inch stone with his rank and service date to put on his grave. I never once heard him complain about it.


8 posted on 06/16/2014 10:05:17 AM PDT by DManA
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To: DManA

Now THAT would be about all we are owed and maybe a US Flag for the family. That should cover it..


9 posted on 06/16/2014 10:07:46 AM PDT by ReaganÜberAlles (Remember, you can't spell "progressive" without "SS".)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I salute you Navy brother! I served on two Heavy Cruisers (USS Salem and New Port News). Like you I was, and still am, proud to have served and would do it again if I weren’t so damn old.


10 posted on 06/16/2014 10:11:49 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

My Father was a combat veteran of WWII. He did not take advantage of a couple of veterans benefits but he did have a VA Loan to buy our house. He probably could have gotten another loan but I don’t know if he saved money.

He did get a large American Flag over his coffin. My older Sister got the flag which I guess is appropriate as he outlived Mother.


11 posted on 06/16/2014 10:17:41 AM PDT by yarddog (Romans 8: verses 38 and 39. "For I am persuaded".)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I only served 28 years, but I feel that I am unworthy to lick the shoes of all those Democrat make-believe pig farmers who received $50,000 each for pretending to raise pigs. Now, there’s some danger and sacrifice.


12 posted on 06/16/2014 10:34:42 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I don’t expect anything as a veteran either. But I DO expect, as a military retiree of 22 years honorable service, that my CONTRACT (in writing) be fulfilled. Is that not too much to ask?

And yet, there is talk, and occasional action, to get rid of certain terms that the government now finds too costly. Congressman Paul Ryan and Senator Patty Murray tried late last year. They were rebuffed, but sure as Spring follows Winter, they or others will be back.

I have complied with all that was required of me on said contract. I am still subject to the UCMJ, incidentally.


13 posted on 06/16/2014 10:35:02 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: ReaganÜberAlles
And I was, and am still proud to serve as well, for 20 years.

Wrap my self in a flag, whine over what?

How about living up to what was contractually signed for, and was told do this, and you get this.... then they (lawmakers) decide to change it. in the mean time, you have people that want to excoriate others because they insist that what was contractually agreed to, be honored.

14 posted on 06/16/2014 10:41:15 AM PDT by SERE_DOC ( “The beauty of the Second Amendment is that it will not be needed until they try to take it.” TJ.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

bump


15 posted on 06/16/2014 11:07:12 AM PDT by dangerdoc ((this space for rent))
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I belong to a Cold War Vets group on Facebook and am ashamed at the number of guys there bitching and moaning about the lack of a Cold War Vets medal. i guess you can bothwr the VA to give you a certificate signed by the asshat Hagel if you really need recognition. Myself, i dont want one. i know what i and my brothers in the Airborne/Air Assault Infantry did, we helped to keep the peace so our family and friends could sleep tight at night. all i want after my service is the VA Home Loan guaramtee (thanks for that already) and when I am dead to give my only son a flag like the one that was handed down to me from my father.


16 posted on 06/16/2014 11:10:05 AM PDT by Finatic (Sometimes I think it would be nice to just get it on and get it over with. Once and for all.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I served just as a reservist for one enlistment. Thanks to that experience, I got in shape, learned how to stay calm and get work done under pressure, and met a lot of great folks.

I got so much benefit from the U.S. Navy. I hope they got a little benefit out of my serving, but it was definitely an unfair trade in my favor. And I say that as someone who got good evaluations and an honorable discharge.


17 posted on 06/16/2014 11:17:08 AM PDT by Our man in washington
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To: Finatic

That is another of Obama’s broken promises. He promised to create/award a Cold War Victory Medal to all who served during that time period. Nothing yet...then again, he said,”You can keep your own health insurance...”


18 posted on 06/16/2014 11:19:26 AM PDT by donozark (The voices inside my head may not be real, but they have some good ideas!)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

My husband served for 21 years. He earned his pay and benefits. He earned respect.


19 posted on 06/16/2014 11:26:57 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee, welcome home we missed you! ~ Þ)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

I heard that the veterans of the first gulf war filed 700,000 disability claims. Interesting as there was almost no ground combat involving us troops.
Anybody have confirmation on these numbers?
I went to school with a guy who served 4 years in the Army, got out in 1991. Had a Sargent tell him how to file for disability for back pain. Swear to god he got 100% disabled, and could run, ski, snowboard, wakeboard, and ride dirt bikes/Harley’s. But he knew how to go to the VA and act hurt. Sad.....


20 posted on 06/16/2014 12:04:49 PM PDT by 9422WMR (: " Tolerance is the virtue of a man who has no convictions".)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

When young men/women signed up for active duty service, they were usually told that there was a guarantee of this or that. If free health care was an agreement stated before signing on the line, then the government has a duty to keep its word. My husband served (was told that he would always be served at a VA hospital) and has never sought VA hospital services. We have private insurance and now, Medicare. I imagine that many who do seek these services cannot afford other care. VA hospitals have been in decline for many years/decades now. I know there are a few really good ones, but on the average, i think most veterans just go to a regular hospital/clinic as a self-pay or insurance paid patient. I do not knock the ones who go for free service. I cannot judge their reasons. Some probably DO feel that things are OWED to them, but that is a mentality that has transformed much of America today.

The good thing in all of this is that the VA being touted as a great example of what ObamaCare will be is just that! What an example! Who could’ve painted a better picture? And it is so bad that it can’t just be undone or turned around quickly! (God does have a wonderful sense of humor!)


21 posted on 06/16/2014 12:12:08 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: 9422WMR

Unfortunately, there will always be those looking to take advantage of any system, especially ones easy to scam.

But those should not be used to judge those who are genuinely disabled. There are many forms of disability, some quite apparent and visible, others not so much or at all.

As to the DS/DS numbers, don’t know, but many of us were given immunizations [some suspect] and chem warfare pills [again, suspect] to take. How those affected individual persons is still up for debate and then there’s the GW Syndrome.

In addition, there were the 1000’s of frontline troops exposed to the burning oil wells and other hazardous materials associated with warfare, like DU, burning materials, etc.

From Wiki:
Gulf War Illness Main article: Gulf War syndrome
Many returning Coalition soldiers reported illnesses following their action in the war, a phenomenon known as Gulf War syndrome or Gulf War illness. Common symptoms that were reported are chronic fatigue, Fibromyalgia, and Gastrointestinal disorder.[149] There has been widespread speculation and disagreement about the causes of the illness and the reported birth defects. Researchers found that infants born to male veterans of the 1991 war had higher rates of two types of heart valve defects. Gulf War veterans’ children born after the war had a certain kidney defect that was not found in Gulf War veterans’ children born before the war. Researchers have said that they did not have enough information to link birth defects with exposure to toxic substances.[150] Some factors considered as possibilities include exposure to depleted uranium, chemical weapons, anthrax vaccines given to deploying soldiers, and/or infectious diseases. Major Michael Donnelly, a USAF officer during the War, helped publicize the syndrome and advocated for veterans’ rights in this regard.

Effects of depleted uranium[edit]
Approximate area and major clashes in which DU rounds were used.Main article: Depleted uranium § Health considerations
Depleted uranium was used in the war in tank kinetic energy penetrators and 20–30 mm cannon ordnance. DU is a pyrophoric, genotoxic, and teratogenic heavy metal. Many have cited its use during the war as a contributing factor to a number of instances of health issues in the conflict’s veterans and surrounding civilian populations. However, scientific opinion on the risk is mixed.[151][152]

Some say that Depleted uranium is not a significant health hazard unless it is taken into the body. External exposure to radiation from depleted uranium is generally not a major concern because the alpha particles emitted by its isotopes travel only a few centimeters in air or can be stopped by a sheet of paper. Also, the uranium-235 that remains in depleted uranium emits only a small amount of low-energy gamma radiation. However, if allowed to enter the body, depleted uranium, like natural uranium, has the potential for both chemical and radiological toxicity with the two important target organs being the kidneys and the lungs[153]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulf_War


22 posted on 06/16/2014 12:32:13 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

you are welcome. thank your parents for raising such an honorable person.

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23 posted on 06/16/2014 1:18:29 PM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

Well, I agree with you to a point. It was a great honor an priviledge to serve, it taught me many things I have retained throughout my life and will until I die. There are those of us who have sacrificed our bodies and minds however, and we have earned what is owed to us for being that man who walks the line.
First and foremost this nation owes it’s veterans the honor and dignity we are entitled to.
The “entitled” class can go pound sand.


24 posted on 06/16/2014 1:35:41 PM PDT by vpintheak (I will not comply!)
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To: ReaganÜberAlles

i served on not one but two aircraft carriers....

what am i owed???

a place to be buried, along with an honor guard and flag..

that is it...

to those who did not serve, go to hell.....


25 posted on 06/16/2014 4:33:28 PM PDT by joe fonebone (a socialist is just a juvenile communist)
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