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Immigration reform moves to states; New York eyes citizenship after 3 years of taxes
http://washingtonexaminer.com ^ | June 16, 2014 | PAUL BEDARD

Posted on 06/16/2014 2:56:43 PM PDT by Whenifhow

The frustration with Washington's inaction on any type of immigration reform has forced proponents to shift their attention to states such as New York where a new plan was offered Monday to grant citizenship and voting rights after an illegal immigrant pays three years of taxes.

The Washington-based Center for Popular Democracy said the New York legislative effort to provide citizenship benefits to three million immigrants is the result of the fallout of congressional gridlock and House Majority Leader Eric Cantor's defeat last week, which pundits blamed on his support for reform.

SNIP

The New York legislation, titled “New York is Home Act,” sets requirements for immigrants to meet before they can apply for citizenship with New York's Office for New Americans, created by Gov. Andrew Cuomo:

• Proof of identity.

• Proof of three years of New York state residency.

• Proof of three years of New York state tax payments.

• Commitment to abide by New York laws and uphold the state constitution.

• A willingness to serve on New York juries and to continue to pay state taxes.

In return, said Friedman's group in a release, immigrants would get New York state citizenship, financial aid for higher education, health care, drivers' licenses, professional licenses, the right to vote, the right to run for office, and protection against racial profiling.

“This bill is about New York state doing everything it can to promote the full equality of immigrants. State powers, though, are very different than federal powers, so the package of opportunities and benefits are different from any federal bill,” said Friedman, whose group is promoting similar plans in other states.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; citizenship; immigration; newyork

1 posted on 06/16/2014 2:56:43 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

3:12 Minutes

New Bill Offers State Citizenship To Illegal Immigrants In New York - Cavuto

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtfEyAhlorM


2 posted on 06/16/2014 2:57:08 PM PDT by Whenifhow
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To: Whenifhow

Within an election cycle.


3 posted on 06/16/2014 2:57:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Whenifhow

I wonder what state they’ll move to after 3 years?

Minnesota’s welfare is probably even more generous than NY’s.


4 posted on 06/16/2014 2:59:02 PM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Whenifhow

When my sister did taxes for H&R Block she said illegals would file taxes. When she asked why one of them said, “To establish that I was here and paying taxes. One day that will make me a citizen.”


5 posted on 06/16/2014 2:59:41 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Whenifhow

Constitutionally, only the Congress has the power to set conditions for citizenship. It is one of the enumerated powers of Congress.

Article 1 section 8 reads in part:

...”To establish a uniform Rule of Naturalization, and uniform Laws on the subject of Bankruptcies throughout the United States;...”


6 posted on 06/16/2014 3:00:43 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Whenifhow
Kinda unconstitutional, I think.

But hey what difference does it make now?

7 posted on 06/16/2014 3:01:30 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: Gen.Blather

Or more likely, to get the Earned Income Tax Credit


8 posted on 06/16/2014 3:03:12 PM PDT by A_Former_Democrat (Shame on Sam The Sham . . . Michael ScAM . . .$$$ grab all planned by this "handlers")
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To: Whenifhow

“Whom God would destroy, He first makes mad.”

That said, the state of NY has been nuts for decades. There are no other ways to explain the Cuomo dynasty. Bloomy and the commie who replaced him!


9 posted on 06/16/2014 3:04:39 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (Ignorance is NOT BLISS. It is the ROAD TO SERFDOM! We're on a ROAD TRIP!!)
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To: Whenifhow

Can I ask a stupid question???

Is it even possible to be a “citizen” of a state? I thought we were American “citizens” and “residents” of whatever state we live in.

And regarding immigration and legal status, we have been told by liberals that it is improper for a state to deal with immigration and legal status; that this is a federal responsibility.

Yet in this case, New York is doing this on their own, with no federal involvement.

What am I missing???


10 posted on 06/16/2014 3:05:10 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego (s)
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To: taxcontrol
Constitutionally, . . .

You're kidding, right? Like, what difference does that make anymore?

11 posted on 06/16/2014 3:08:32 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Whenifhow

Why? Democrats already control NY. Its deep left already.


12 posted on 06/16/2014 3:08:36 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Whenifhow

I thought the Supreme Court decided only the Feds could control citizenship. (I guess, unless you are a liberal state!)


13 posted on 06/16/2014 3:09:16 PM PDT by impactplayer
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To: Whenifhow

Looks like they are going to try to use the same model they are using for homosexual marriage. What happens when the illegal alien who is a declared legal resident of New York comes into contact with a state that isn’t playing along with New York and gets deported?


14 posted on 06/16/2014 3:10:03 PM PDT by Yogafist
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To: skeeter

Well so are the gun laws in New York. “ We don’t need no stinking Constitution”


15 posted on 06/16/2014 3:10:48 PM PDT by lostboy61 (Lock and Load and stand your ground!)
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To: A_Former_Democrat

“Or more likely, to get the Earned Income Tax Credit”

That part, I don’t recall. But she had numerous stories about people who quit working months before the end of the year to max out their “earned” income tax credit. (I somehow doubt that was the intent, but then laws are all about the unintended consequences.)


16 posted on 06/16/2014 3:11:31 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: A_Former_Democrat

A quick tour of the ‘hood shortly after Jan 1st will reveal that “fast tax” offices spring up like dandelions in May.
The purpose of these is primarily EIC returns.


17 posted on 06/16/2014 3:17:20 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Whenifhow

Appears to be unconstitutional under 14th Amendment:

“1. All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State
wherein they reside. No State shall make or enforce any law which shall abridge the privileges or immunities of citizens of the United States.”

Power reserved to federal govt only.
States cannot usurp federal citizenship granting powers. Ergo, the illegal immigrant would be a “citizen” of NY State only and would have no American citizenship rights in an other state or states and could be deported.

Reductio ad absurdam.

No such thing as “citizen of New York” ONLY.. It does not exist in the Constitution.

Ergo illegal Act by a State govt against the Constitution.

Only special act or Bill of citizenship for individual[s]by Congress can grant citizenship apart from the federal judicial or executive branches.


18 posted on 06/16/2014 3:17:45 PM PDT by bunkerhill7 ("The Second Amendment has no limits on firepower"-NY State Senator Kathleen A. Marchione.")
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To: Dilbert San Diego
What am I missing???

If a Marxist/Leftist/Globalist does it then the rules don't apply.

19 posted on 06/16/2014 3:21:43 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Whenifhow; fieldmarshaldj; Impy; AuH2ORepublican
>> The New York legislation, titled “New York is Home Act,” sets requirements for immigrants to meet before they can apply for citizenship with New York's Office for New Americans <<

Huh? How can a STATE government grant UNITED STATES citizenship to a person?

Yet another example of state governments constantly abusing their powers and thumbing their nose at federal law, while we hear delusional claims the "states rights" crowd about how the poor widdle states can't do anything and have become complete puppets of the feds. News to every state government I've seen!

20 posted on 06/16/2014 3:22:36 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: Whenifhow

Sounds like these idiots are confusing “residency” with citizenship. I believe only the federal government can make that call.


22 posted on 06/16/2014 3:27:59 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: Whenifhow

Well, whaddaya know? I never would have figured Andrew Cuomo for a “states rights” kind of guy. But apparently he is. ;-)


23 posted on 06/16/2014 3:30:20 PM PDT by Milton Miteybad (I am Jim Thompson. {Really.})
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To: Whenifhow

All of which will be waived if they are on the government dole.


24 posted on 06/16/2014 3:38:46 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Whenifhow
Can you be the citizen of a state, but not a citizen of the USA?


25 posted on 06/16/2014 3:41:01 PM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Dilbert San Diego
Can I ask a stupid question???

Is it even possible to be a “citizen” of a state? I thought we were American “citizens” and “residents” of whatever state we live in.


I have the same stupid question. They can't give them voting rights for federal elections (rep, sen, pres)....that cannot be legal.

This is insane.
26 posted on 06/16/2014 3:41:30 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

It is all an effort to boost Rat rolls through extra constitutional means.


27 posted on 06/16/2014 3:44:33 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: madprof98

Yeah, you have a point. I am still trying to believe in an America that is a nation of laws and governed by the Constitution and reasonable men.

It sure is getting harder and harder to do that.


28 posted on 06/16/2014 3:47:19 PM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Whenifhow

How can someone here illegally legally submit an income tax return? They are admitting to breaking US laws by working. And what are they going to use for identification? A stolen SSN or forged taxpayer ID number?


29 posted on 06/16/2014 3:47:57 PM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Whenifhow

This is in clear violation of the Constitution.
Naturally, there will be no prosecution by the current ‘justice’ department.


30 posted on 06/16/2014 3:48:54 PM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Whenifhow


31 posted on 06/16/2014 3:55:37 PM PDT by QT3.14
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To: Whenifhow

HAHAHAHAHHAHAHA. HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAH

Yeah right!!! Illegals are going to start paying taxes and abiding by state laws so they can vote and get their names on a government list? They vote anyway without any responsibilities of being a citizen. I’d love that deal.


32 posted on 06/16/2014 4:01:43 PM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: A_Former_Democrat

There’s no Earned Income Tax Credit in New York State income tax. They tax every dollar, starting with the very first one.


33 posted on 06/16/2014 4:02:37 PM PDT by proxy_user
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To: Blood of Tyrants

All they have to do is ask the IRS. The IRS will give them an ITIN whether they are a citizen or not. Look it up. Of course they don’t pay. They get back more than they paid in or they wouldn’t use the ITIN.


34 posted on 06/16/2014 5:17:26 PM PDT by sheana
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To: Gen.Blather

“When my sister did taxes for H&R Block she said illegals would file taxes. When she asked why one of them said, “To establish that I was here and paying taxes. One day that will make me a citizen.”

A friend of mine worked with illegals, and they had taxes taken from their paychecks (I don’t know how they handled the Social Security number issue). They told him the government left them alone as long as they paid taxes.


35 posted on 06/16/2014 6:00:27 PM PDT by kearnyirish2 (Affirmative action is economic warfare against white males (and therefore white families).)
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To: BillyBoy; Sun; AuH2ORepublican; justiceseeker93; fieldmarshaldj; NFHale; sickoflibs; GOPsterinMA; ..
Huh? How can a STATE government grant UNITED STATES citizenship to a person?

Oh well, it's New York. New York is that state that, like Illinois, does not provide for the replacement of a LT. Governor. The state Court of Appeals (State Supreme Court equivalent) ruled that "Who cares? Screw the dusty old state constitution, we can make this up as we go along, whatever's politically expedient for the democrat party is cool."

So OF COURSE they can grant US citizenship, ban guns, ban large cup sizes of soft drinks, whatever the hell they want.

36 posted on 06/16/2014 10:04:17 PM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Impy

No one is above the law, EXCEPT the politicians.

Foolish are the people who keep voting for them.


37 posted on 06/16/2014 11:38:20 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: BillyBoy; Whenifhow; Impy; Tennessee Nana; Liz; AuH2ORepublican; justiceseeker93; ...
RE :”Huh? How can a STATE government grant UNITED STATES citizenship to a person?”

Read a little closer, its says NY State citizenship of which there is no such thing:

In return, said Friedman's group in a release, immigrants would get New York state citizenship, financial aid for higher education, health care, drivers’ licenses, professional licenses, the right to vote, the right to run for office, and protection against racial profiling. ‘

Of the above 'the right to vote' gets my attention.

38 posted on 06/17/2014 4:45:41 AM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: Whenifhow
Pardon me, but this hypocrisy has gone way over the edge.

There is no way NY state can do this after what SCOTUS told my state of AZ.

Supreme Court Blocks Key Provisions of Arizona Law, Affirming Broad Federal Power over Immigration

June 25, 2012

the Supreme Court voted 5-3, mostly siding with the Obama Administration to affirm its broad powers and unambiguously ruling that Arizona can’t make immigration laws that supersede existing federal statutes.
............
In a majority opinion authored by swing vote Anthony Kennedy, who was joined by conservative Chief Justice John Roberts and liberals Stephen Breyer, Sonia Sotomayor and Ruth Ginsburg, the court held that federal law pre-empted three of the four main tenets of SB 1070. Arizona cannot make living there without documentation a state crime with its own penalties, even though it’s already a violation of federal statute, Kennedy wrote. “

39 posted on 06/17/2014 9:30:59 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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