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Flashback: George W. Bush Predicted Iraqi Meltdown If US Troops Were Withdrawn from Region
The Gateway Pundit ^ | 6/16/14 | Jim Hoft

Posted on 06/16/2014 3:07:25 PM PDT by Nachum

President George W. Bush predicted the current meltdown in Iraq – back in 2007. Bush vetoed a Democratic bill to withdraw troops from Iraq.

Via Truth Revolt:

I know some in Washington would like us to start leaving Iraq now. To begin withdrawing before our commanders tell us we are ready would be dangerous for Iraq, for the region and for the United States. It would mean surrendering the future of Iraq to al Qaeda. It would mean that we’d be risking mass killings on a horrific scale. It would mean we’d allow the terrorists to establish a safe haven in Iraq to replace the one they lost in Afghanistan. It would mean increasing the probability that American troops would have to return at some later date to confront an enemy that is even more dangerous.

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KEYWORDS: bush; bush43; georgewbush; iraq; iraqi; meltdown; obama; predicted; pullout
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1 posted on 06/16/2014 3:07:25 PM PDT by Nachum
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To: Jet Jaguar; NorwegianViking; ExTexasRedhead; HollyB; FromLori; EricTheRed_VocalMinority; ...

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2 posted on 06/16/2014 3:08:00 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: Nachum

Prophetic! Bush was right, God bless him.


3 posted on 06/16/2014 3:11:26 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Nachum
Of course, the lefties think we should still be starving them to death at a rate of hundreds of thousands a year.

Well, not exactly, but that's still what would be happening if we did things their way.

4 posted on 06/16/2014 3:11:40 PM PDT by TwelveOfTwenty (See my home page for some of my answers to the left's talking points.)
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To: Nachum

Thanks for the ping——good stuff.

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5 posted on 06/16/2014 3:12:12 PM PDT by Mears
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To: Nachum
Why'd he go in, then?

Did he expect us to stay there forever?

6 posted on 06/16/2014 3:13:23 PM PDT by x
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To: x

Going in might have been bad enough, leaving early was a disaster. Obama and his gang of Rats did the worst thing they could have done, for politics.


7 posted on 06/16/2014 3:16:04 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: Nachum

bkmk


8 posted on 06/16/2014 3:16:39 PM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: x

Long enough, there are a lot of places that we have maintained a presence for generations.

Generations of American military families have gone through our bases in various nations around the globe.


9 posted on 06/16/2014 3:17:11 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Nachum

Obama likes to take credit for ending the war and bringing the troops home. I guess now he’ll change his tune and blame Bush for bring the troops home before the job was done.


10 posted on 06/16/2014 3:17:41 PM PDT by al_c (Obama's standing in the world has fallen so much that Kenya now claims he was born in America.)
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To: ansel12
Germany, sure.

The Philippines, fine.

Korea, even.

Iraq -- not such a good idea to begin with.

Bush's advice in 2007 may have been sound.

2003? Not so much.

11 posted on 06/16/2014 3:20:12 PM PDT by x
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To: Nachum

So why did Bush sign the Status of Forces Agreement in the fall of 2008? It required “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”


12 posted on 06/16/2014 3:20:21 PM PDT by ConstantSkeptic (Be careful about preconceptions)
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To: x

America still has troops in Germany 70 years after the event.

Foreign military bases are a good thing. They give the US options and global reach, and access to novel training grounds - as well as reinforcing geopolitical allies.


13 posted on 06/16/2014 3:24:16 PM PDT by agere_contra (I once saw a movie where only the police and military had guns. It was called 'Schindler's List'.)
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To: Genoa
Unlike the Left, GWB knew some history other than Marx.

There is enormous responsibility on conquerors to maintain order in conquered lands. Like the adage of, “if you break it, you own it,” after busting up Iraq we owned it. To withdraw precipitously is to invite horror.

14 posted on 06/16/2014 3:25:02 PM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Nachum

Where is George Bush?
Millions endangered by obama’s actions. You just know obama going to let Iran get nuclear weapons and I bet he still won’t talk.
Stop being quiet about what is happening.


15 posted on 06/16/2014 3:27:14 PM PDT by minnesota_bound
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To: Nachum
There is only one thing that we could not give to them people and that is guts.

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16 posted on 06/16/2014 3:28:58 PM PDT by Karl Spooner
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To: x
Did he expect us to stay there forever?

Well we pulled out, and what we got was different from all the places where we maintained a presence, including the ones on your list that you approve of.

17 posted on 06/16/2014 3:31:21 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Jacquerie
Unlike the Left, GWB knew some history other than Marx.

I read a column once that was raving about W's ignorance of history and how if he had ever read a book on it, it would educate him.

The writer didn't know that Bush's Yale degree, is in history.

18 posted on 06/16/2014 3:34:23 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: ansel12
Well we pulled out, and what we got was different from all the places where we maintained a presence, including the ones on your list that you approve of.

What we should have asked -- but didn't -- was "is there a plausible exit strategy to avoid endless entanglement?"

19 posted on 06/16/2014 3:44:16 PM PDT by x
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To: ansel12

Absolutely what we should have done.


20 posted on 06/16/2014 3:44:35 PM PDT by Jedidah
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To: Nachum

Yes, yes, yes, but Comrade Obama knew better than the republican Bush. Everything is Bush’s fault. Comrade Obama know best. Everyone just be quiet and allow him to continue to destroy America. He is doing such a nice job at it. Quieten down now.


21 posted on 06/16/2014 3:46:12 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: x

2014 isn’t 2007 or 2003 either.
The author overreaches.

For example If we don’t have the intel sources now to tell if Iraq has WMDs we never will.
Likewise we have a large number of “tribal” intel sources both in Iraq and the Afghan so a “9/11” surprise attack frpm those areas is preventable.
And we have influence in events.

Intel was the purpose of those wars. We went overboard on the nation building... but then congress always demands such contribution-opportunities..


22 posted on 06/16/2014 3:53:38 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: x

Personally I assumed the purpose was to give us a long time presence there, a penetration into the Muslim world.


23 posted on 06/16/2014 3:56:50 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Nachum
I'm not from the US, but I understand the 22nd amendment. However, I would have to question the term limit for election to the office of President of the United States, especially in recent decades.

Most foreign policy initiated & enacted by a US president cannot be fully accomplished or seen to fruition in 8 years. So long as there is a genuine, robust election process, a president is in good health and people vote for him or her, then they should be able to continue.

Otherwise, a new person will be elected who has a different policy and we see little continuity which at times like this is critical to a successful outcome. Equally, enemies can simply wait until a new player is elected and the entire mix changes.

24 posted on 06/16/2014 4:05:43 PM PDT by odds
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To: Nachum

Did Obama ignore Bush, or did the Community-Organizer-in-Chief believe Bush and that’s why he pulled out? believe


25 posted on 06/16/2014 4:10:42 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: odds
Otherwise, a new person will be elected who has a different policy and we see little continuity which at times like this is critical to a successful outcome. Equally, enemies can simply wait until a new player is elected and the entire mix changes.

Works two ways. It also allows for 4 consecutive years of governance without the turmoil of a parliment losing coalitions and forcing elections in successive years. Much more volatile.

26 posted on 06/16/2014 4:21:20 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: odds

I hope to God that you are NOT suggesting that O’IWon should get more terms in office as our president? Because if you are, IBTZ.


27 posted on 06/16/2014 4:22:43 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Nachum

Not sure if I understand you correctly. I meant maximum two terms, 8 years. That isn’t a long time to embed and see results.


28 posted on 06/16/2014 4:27:16 PM PDT by odds
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To: TheOldLady

I was talking about the article, ie George W Bush.


29 posted on 06/16/2014 4:29:11 PM PDT by odds
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To: odds

Study up on FDR and you’ll understand why we have a 22nd Amendment.


30 posted on 06/16/2014 4:33:11 PM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: x
Why'd he go in, then? Did he expect us to stay there forever?

Remember the argument, fight them on the battlefield over there instead of waiting for them to come over here?

What's happening now? They rebuilt and are still fighting over there, not over here.

Still, they shouldn't have been given the luxury of rebuilding at all.

-PJ

31 posted on 06/16/2014 4:34:32 PM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: odds

The whole of the Constitution is inimcal to long term foreign adventures- deliberately.
The 22nd is relatively insignificant in it’s effect.


32 posted on 06/16/2014 4:36:28 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: Nachum

And though I hate the way things are being handled how long would we have to stay there? They’ve hated each other since 632.

Not our fight and not a position we can win. Sure, we can beat them into submission for just at time but at a high cost and a lot of dollars we don’t have.

We will have to fight them here. No matter what.


33 posted on 06/16/2014 4:43:50 PM PDT by Sequoyah101
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To: mrsmith

Interesting, thanks.


34 posted on 06/16/2014 4:45:04 PM PDT by odds
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To: odds

Okay! Thank you for the clarification. Had me worried there for a moment. :)


35 posted on 06/16/2014 4:50:23 PM PDT by TheOldLady
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To: Pollster1

Obama doesn’t weigh things like what’s good for the country, what’s good for Iraq, or what’s good for the world. He operates on what the hard core left wants him to Operate, to spite Bush, to spite this Country, and anyone right of Pelosi.


36 posted on 06/16/2014 4:52:56 PM PDT by aft_lizard
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To: Nachum

More allies the leftists abandoned to our enemies..

Well, the libs always insisted Iraq was “another Vietnam”

..and Barry has made it so.


37 posted on 06/16/2014 5:00:35 PM PDT by CharleysPride (aut numquid tute es legere me translate)
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To: odds
Not sure if I understand you correctly. I meant maximum two terms, 8 years. That isn’t a long time to embed and see results.

In most countries that have parlimentary systems, it is rare to have prime ministers that serve 8 years. Also, the parlimentary system itself is extraordinarily unstable with new goverments and fringe groups constantly able to cause upheaval. That is one of the pluses of the U.S. system of government is that it governs much more consistently that any other model I have seen world wide.

38 posted on 06/16/2014 5:02:41 PM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: x
Why'd he go in, then? Did he expect us to stay there forever?

Do you really think one question has anything to do with the other? Really?

Perhaps you are a liberal who thinks in soundbites instead of syllogisms.

39 posted on 06/16/2014 5:08:54 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: odds

It might be a fable but reportedly Roosevelt met with the congressional leaders to tell them of the possibilities of research on the atom bomb to end WW2.
The response was from the Senate Leader from Tennessee: “Wonderful news Mr President! Where in Tennessee would you want to build this research facility?”

A more recent example of congress’s power over foreign affairs is the huge, wasteful, partisan spending Pelosi and Reid demanded of Bush for their approval of funding the Iraq “surge”.
We’ve been bankrupt ever since.


40 posted on 06/16/2014 5:08:58 PM PDT by mrsmith (Dumb sluts: Lifeblood of the Media, Backbone of the Democrat Party!)
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To: ConstantSkeptic

“So why did Bush sign the Status of Forces Agreement in the fall of 2008? It required “All the United States Forces shall withdraw from all Iraqi territory no later than December 31, 2011.”

Exactly. This article is bs.


41 posted on 06/16/2014 5:13:37 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Nachum
I agree, the parliamentary system can be unstable. Although, in the last 3 decades I can recall for instance Thatcher's tenure being 11 years plus, Tony Blair 10 years plus, John Howard 11 years plus, Bob Hawke 8 years plus.

It's certainly an advantage to have a more consistent model for the US since the global implications of any inconsistency or change in the governance of the US would have much more of a far reaching impact than that of the UK or Australia, as examples.

42 posted on 06/16/2014 5:28:19 PM PDT by odds
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To: x

No kidding. That whole thing was a mistake from the git-go.

Going war war anywhere in the Middle East and NOT accepting anything but total victory, and then leaving is insane.

You are not going to defeat this idea that is Islam. It has to be eradicated.


43 posted on 06/16/2014 7:32:09 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: odds

I would think a single six year term, coincident with Senators and congressional elections. That way you could get the consistency of a parliamentary system without the volatility.

But the system we have works fine. Especially when Americans are running for office.


44 posted on 06/16/2014 7:35:51 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: Vermont Lt
I'd prefer to emphasize 'continuity' rather than 'consistency'. They mean different things. Both are essential, but continuity (having the opportunity to continue, to see a policy you initiated & enacted come to a successful outcome, with provisions mentioned in #24) in the contexts I mentioned.

Who else would be running for office in the USA if not Americans? If not an American on paper at least, then that's a bigger problem that should be detected before someone becomes even eligible to run for office in the USA.

45 posted on 06/16/2014 7:55:45 PM PDT by odds
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To: odds

Yeah.. You’d think that would be clear. And clearly defined. There are a lot of rules that are inconvenient, so the government just doesn’t follow them.


46 posted on 06/16/2014 8:10:54 PM PDT by Vermont Lt (If you want to keep your dignity, you can keep it. Period........ Just kidding, you can't keep it.)
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To: mrsmith

Thanks again. I think your points are really great for those who don’t have much visibility of or aren’t completely across the US political system. Most see the ‘front-person’ that is the President and forget about Congress and its role.


47 posted on 06/16/2014 8:12:04 PM PDT by odds
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To: x
Did he expect us to stay there forever?

Well I wasn't for going there in the first place without a formal congressional declaration of war which coward in congress never voted on.

However since we went we should have built a huge multi purpose Air Force/N.A.S./Army HUB Base ran and controlled solely by the United States military rather than instead building a bunch of stinking nose picking Liberal Chair Monkeys a mega resort embassy. Which was more important? Bush's lack of military insight and nation building agenda is a factor in where we are today also. Iraq from day one should have been a level the nation to smolder ruins mission then occupy Iraq with a military base for our own future use in the M.E.

We didn't and now the radical clerics have a nice new shinny military as even many Freepers predicted when this because a nation building mission and the military objectives never made clear. It seems now that starting wars with the U.S. heaps huge rewards for Islam now doesn't it?

48 posted on 06/16/2014 8:25:18 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: x

If you dont annihilate the other side in all out war, it is better to be endlessly entangled with them on their turf rather than your own.


49 posted on 06/16/2014 8:29:16 PM PDT by Delta 21 (Its my freedom. YES. I will be keeping it.)
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To: Genoa

Bush, as flawed as he was, was so much better than Obama.


50 posted on 06/16/2014 8:33:12 PM PDT by yield 2 the right
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