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Sorry, George W. Bush, but this whole mess is still your fault (vomit up both lungs)
Salon ^ | 6/17/14 | Rosenberg

Posted on 06/17/2014 8:18:57 AM PDT by pabianice

Like clockwork, the Republican noise machine is blaming Barack Obama for the crisis in Iraq. And like clockwork, they’ve got everything wrong again.

The man to blame for what’s happening in Iraq is not President Obama — it’s President Bush.

Contrary to Tony Blair’s latest protestations, the U.S./U.K. invasion of Iraq — under deliberately fraudulent pretenses – had a great deal to do with enabling the current emergence of a Sunni terrorist military power in Iraq, but it goes much deeper than that. The recent success of ISIS — the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria — is exactly what Osama bin Laden had hoped that the 9/11 attacks would lead to. And thanks to Bush’s spectacularly foolish responses, bin Laden’s dream has come true.

Before 9/11, bin Laden was a terrorist and could only dream of becoming the “holy warrior” he imagined himself to be. When Bush chose to respond to 9/11 as an act of war, rather than a crime, he gave bin Laden the gift he had always wanted, just by conferring that status.

First, by invading Afghanistan, Bush validated bin Laden’s claim that what was happening was a religious war between Islam and the Christian West. Then, by invading Iraq and deposing his most prominent ideological foe, Saddam Hussein, Bush gave bin Laden a second gift—a much stronger position of influence throughout the region.

But the invasion also fractured Iraq’s tenuous factional stability, and was followed by a whole series of bad decisions making matters even worse. on their own.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government; Philosophy; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bush; iraq; isis; obama
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To: pabianice

Good one.

In addition, this piece from 2008, prior to the election, still has not sunk in yet in the US, to its detriment, re the centrality of what is at the core of all things ...ISLAMIC, and it is not G. Bush!

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2008/10/melanie-phillips-obama-adopts-the-agenda-of-the-jihadists#


21 posted on 06/17/2014 8:40:13 AM PDT by givemELL (Does Taiwan eet the Criteria to Qualify as an "Overseas Territory of the United States"? by Richar)
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To: pabianice

Once you claim credit for a situation and say it is your greatest accomplishment during an election year, you pretty much own it from that point forward.


22 posted on 06/17/2014 8:40:22 AM PDT by Haiku Guy (Health Care Haiku: If You Have a Right / To the Labor I Provide / I Must Be Your Slave)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In hind sight we were sold a bill of goods on Iraq.
We never should invaded and in point of fact there never should have been a First Gulf War.

We should have let Saddam go on take over Kuwait and then let him roll down over Saudi Arabia and take out the despicable Royal Family and destroy the Wahhabi Muslim Sect that controls that country and let the chips fall.

Saudi Arabia has financed a lot of Terrorism world wide with the Oil Money we have paid them.

Everything in that region is a lose lose deal for us. Let those people kill each other and be done with it. We can't police that area and I would say we have made things a lot worse by trying to.

23 posted on 06/17/2014 8:42:21 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: pabianice

Well, he did dismiss my suggestion that he simply nuke Baghdad instead of invading it.


24 posted on 06/17/2014 8:43:45 AM PDT by MNnice
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To: pabianice

All this dancing around an no one has mentioned the FIRST opening shot in the hostilities between the USA and Saddam’s Iraq.

USS STARK.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Stark_incident


25 posted on 06/17/2014 8:44:32 AM PDT by Ruy Dias de Bivar (Sometimes you need more than seven rounds, Much more.)
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Yes Cindy.

Whatever you say.


26 posted on 06/17/2014 8:50:56 AM PDT by ifinnegan
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To: pabianice

I blame Christopher Columbus. If he didn’t discover the New World, it would have remained an environmentally friendly Native American paradise and the evil, Capitalist, war-mongering United States never would have been founded. And the people of Iraq would be living in peace and happiness under their dear leader, Saddam, today.


27 posted on 06/17/2014 8:55:36 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: pabianice

Whew, that was close. Almost thought Marxism was partially to blame.

Pray America wakes up


28 posted on 06/17/2014 9:14:58 AM PDT by bray (Palin/Putin 2016)
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To: pabianice
"under deliberately fraudulent pretenses"

A creepy liar. The whole matter was investigated twice by Congress, and no such finding was made.
29 posted on 06/17/2014 9:15:52 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: ifinnegan

Think about it.
What have we gained?


30 posted on 06/17/2014 9:16:22 AM PDT by Captain Peter Blood
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To: boycott
"The left often talk about how the sanctions hurt the Iraqi people. Wasn’t Clinton president for 8 years?"

The left's claim that the sanctions had killed 400,000 Iraqi children is arguably the most-forgotten fact of our time.
31 posted on 06/17/2014 9:17:38 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

gave cash payments to families of suicide bombers


32 posted on 06/17/2014 9:18:21 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: Trapped Behind Enemy Lines

sorry just saw #6

good list


33 posted on 06/17/2014 9:18:52 AM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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To: pabianice

The real blame for this terrorist mob goes to...the terrorist mob.

However, if anyone insists on blaming an American president, at least blame the right one - Jimmy Carter.

All of this radical Islam terror stuff can be traced back to Jimmy Carter being weak, weak, weak, against the Iranians in 1979-80. Carter should have crushed them then and there.

In this most recent event, it was a MAJOR mistake by Obama to not to leave behind a US force behind.


34 posted on 06/17/2014 9:20:41 AM PDT by libertylover (The problem with Obama is not that his skin is too black, it's that his ideas are too RED.)
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To: Billthedrill

IF these vermin (like probably all of Salon’s spittlists) survive the coming collapse of America, they will have to be sent for six if America is ever to rise again as a we the people Republic. The media is currently the enemy within, spewing the lies of the oligarchs as if sharing truth with pitiful fools. Disgusting


35 posted on 06/17/2014 9:24:17 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: pabianice

Bush won the war. Obama lost the peace.

Salon is garbage.


36 posted on 06/17/2014 9:26:58 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Tri nornar eg bir. Binde til rota...)
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To: pabianice
Bill Clinton was so convinced that Saddam had WMD and was a threat to the U.S. that he bombed Baghdad for four straight days, after which his administration boasted that they had set Saddam's WMD program back for at least a year.

Of course, the fact that the House had previously scheduled impeachment hearings during those four had nothing to do with Clinton's decision.

On December 16, 1998, on the eve of the scheduled House vote on his impeachment, Bill Clinton launched a surprise bombing attack on Baghdad. As justification for this exploit, he cited the urgent threat that Saddam’s weapons of mass destruction posed to America, and the need for immediate action. Almost immediately, the House Democrats held a caucus and emerged calling for a delay in the impeachment proceedings. House minority leader Dick Gephardt made a statement: "We obviously should pass a resolution by saying that we stand behind the troops. I would hope that we do not take up impeachment until the hostilities have completely ended."

Conveniently, a delay so near the end of the House term would have caused the vote to be taken up in the next session – when the newly elected House membership would be seated with more Democratic representation, thereby improving Clinton’s chances of dodging impeachment.

The Republicans did, in fact, agree to delay the hearings, but only for a day or two. Amazingly, Clinton ended the bombing raid after only 70 hours -- once it became clear that in spite of the brief delay, the vote would still be held in the current session.

Once the bombing stopped, Clinton touted the effectiveness and importance of the mission. As reported by ABC News : “We have inflicted significant damage on Saddam's weapons of mass destruction programs, on the command structures that direct and protect that capability, and on his military and security infrastructure,” he said. Defense secretary William Cohen echoed the point: “We estimate that Saddam's missile program has been set back by at least a year.”

Whether or not one buys Clinton’s assessment of that mission, it is difficult to believe that its timing was so critical that it required commencement virtually at the moment the House was scheduled to vote on the impeachment. I think the most reasonable conclusion is that Clinton cynically deployed US military assets and placed military personnel in harm’s way for purely political reasons.

37 posted on 06/17/2014 9:32:46 AM PDT by Maceman
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To: Starstruck

I like reading history, and while history doesn’t so much repeat, human nature never changes and we see the same patterns of conduct over and over again.

I believe the world is headed for war. A very bad, destructive war that will not have a good outcome for the United States. And when the history of this war is written by Chinese historians documenting how they won the war and dominated the world, they will write about how the Americans selected the worst leader they possibly could. They will write about how his complete lack of leadership allowed the world to spin out of control and into a war, and in fact his policies guaranteed it would happen.

Our children are going to have a tough time trying to rebuild our country from the rubble. The first thing they’ll need to do is forget about all the liberal environmental/gay rights/welfare nonsense.


38 posted on 06/17/2014 9:34:26 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: maplenut
From the author: "When Bush chose to respond to 9/11 as an act of war, rather than a crime"

Hey numbnuts, in what way was that NOT an act of war?

Liberals are insane.

39 posted on 06/17/2014 9:37:42 AM PDT by boop (I just wanted a President. But I got a rock.)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

Lest we forget Columbus had two parents. Hardly blameless.


40 posted on 06/17/2014 9:39:34 AM PDT by Sivad (NorCal red turf)
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