Skip to comments.Sixteen Republican Senators Vote For Cloture On Gun Control Bill (Lamar Alexander, AYE!)
Posted on 06/17/2014 1:32:24 PM PDT by cotton1706
Remember these sixteen names when they run for office again.
The sixteen Republicans who voted to proceed were Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), Susan Collins (Maine). Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Dean Heller (Nev.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), John McCain (Ariz.), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Roger Wicker (Miss.).
List courtesy The Hill.com.
As reported by RedState yesterday, this bill would allow doctors to add a persons name to the national database currently used for background checks, and list them as mentally ill, thus denying them a gun, and doing so without informing the patient or letting them present a defense before their name gets put into the computer.
The proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.
There would be no due process requirement. Not all doctors will be able to do it with the same ease, but many will. Knowing a doctor could add him to a federal database as mentally ill without his knowledge could potentially dissuade a patient from going to the doctor in the first place to get help.
Worse, if the doctor does so and makes a mistake, the patient would have to actively work through the system to get himself removed guilty before being proven innocent.
And now sixteen Republican Senators have decided that this bill can move forward. To call it disgraceful is too mild a word.
(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...
Because with Harry Reid in charge, voting for cloture to "proceed to debate" means "we can vote on the bills now!"
And Lamar Alexander loves to help Harry Reid get bills through cloture!
Does this have to get through the House too? They might stop it there.
This is from last year. All the bills failed. I just wanted to remind people of Lamar’s vote to help Harry Reid get the gun bills to a vote.
Lamnar! votes for gun control bill...
Thank goodness Joe Carr is for 2A
There is no chance that this will be abused for political reasons - [cough...IRS...cough].
My doctor is from Egypt. I suspect he’s Jewish as his name certainly is. He’s uber-liberal. (I’d call him a communist, actually.) Long before anybody brought this up he put on his form, do you own a gun? (I had one in my pocket.) I said no, which let me out from answering the many follow-up questions.
But I can see a time when ammunition purchase information would be forwarded to my doctor. Already, if I look up tires I’m spammed with tire ads. Obamacare would connect the dots as they’d know my doctor. Then the software would tell him I lied about the gun, which would probably automatically put me on the list.
The time is coming when if you buy ammo and live in a gun-controlled state you’d better have that gun registered or they’ll bust your door in. I’d pay cash, but how does one do that when you buy off the internet? (The local prices are MUCH higher.)
It's a start, I suppose.
Now if the crowd hellbent on removing Mike Enzi and Pat Roberts (who you will voted the RIGHT way on this bill because they are far MORE conservative than Lamar!) would donate even 1/10th of the energy promoting Joe Carr as they do "Obama's conservative cousin", we might have a shot at removing a real RINO.
There was a freeper who used the word 'nitpicking' in an email and got a bunch of ads popping up for lice medicine.
I hope they are all well hung.
If a doctor has good cause to put a person in the NICS system as mentally ill, he/she should be seeking to have that person involuntarily committed.
Any person who is so mentally ill that they can not be trusted to legally buy guns should be locked up because:
a) They can easily obtain guns illegally.
b) They can kill many people by means other than guns.
I was about to pick up the phone and let my senator have it on this. But with it being a year old they wouldn't have known what I was talking about.
btw...i did call last year.
A LOT of RINOs in THAT herd!!
In other words, the usual RINO suspects.
Yes. All bills must pass both house and senate.
...or that’s what the Constitution states, at any rate...
The time is also coming when you will have to give up the internet. The only one who can keep secrets on the net is Lois Lerner.
That will ease the Obamacare caused Doctor shortage.
Now people won’t go to the Doctor just like they don’t visit the IRS.
Why deal with anyone from the middle east? Just asking for trouble.
“Why deal with anyone from the middle east? “
I didn’t have a clue as his English is perfect. I only found out by accident he’s from Egypt and goes back regularly. Now, because I don’t have insurance I can’t get a regular doctor. But I could still get in to see him and get prescriptions if I needed.
A doc in the box will not give me the scripts I need without duplicating the expensive tests my doc has on record.
Apparently common now.
I had a form from a Dr. that recently gave up private practice and hooked up with a university hospital.
Since I have no weapons I could answer it truthfully, No.
“Since I have no weapons I could answer it truthfully, No.”
I’ve got some spares. Let’s talk... :p)
Ah. K. Thanks. I was wondering how I missed this. Appreciate the info.
My husband went to the ER in Chandler, AZ, for the first time in his adult life last Christmas. The ER triage doc was awesome but he went on a tirade about “Welcome to Obamacare. Look around this ER. This is the future of medical care in America.” He knew he was preaching to the choir, but he was disgusted by the situation.
I do not need any mental health assistance, but if I did I would choose to tough it out rather than risk my freedom for the possibility of some help from someone of doubtful expertise. No, thank you. Physicians have slit their own throats by being willing to comply with this blunder, and I hope they suffer from the well-deserved loss of business.
Now would be a good time to remind FReepers that shrinks are no substitute for Religion and your Priest, Pastor, or Rabbi.
Other than prescribing mind numbing meds, I’m not aware of any true help provided by a shrink.
As for medical doctors, they have no need to know about my 2A participation.
...well...except my Audiologist...but then...we shoot together all of the time.....as I’m married to her...
Pat Toomey has been a HUGE disappointment.
I'm sure it will be as easy to get off this list as it is to get off the 'no-fly' list.
We both saw our doctor recently and I really hoped he would make a comment so I would know which side he was on now, but he didn’t.
Dean Heller voted “to proceed to debate”.
Both my Arizona senators are traitors!
Even given the stale-dating, it benefits us to know of the perfidy of those who “serve” us. (Medium-rare?) I wrote the following to many this morning:
A double whammy — civil rights and mental health
Well, the Senate, including sixteen Republican senators, did it again. They arrogated to themselves a role of ruling rather than serving, putting both civil rights and mental health treatment in jeopardy.
1. Civil RightsUnder this bill, a health professional, not even necessarily your physician, maybe an IRS official administering Obamacare (for our own good, or course), may choose to put you on the NICS list, prohibiting you from purchasing, and in some states, even owning, firearms, which he or she can do without you knowledge and without any opportunity to defend yourself. When you later discover that your name is on the NICS shit list, even in error, you and you alone have the burden of proof to restore your good name and your civil rights — no due process of law and no presumption of innocence for you misfits, “clinging to your guns and religion.”
2. Mental health treatmentKnowing this, would you report depression or other psychological or mental symptoms to a stranger and, in so doing, put your civil rights at risk and possibly lose the ability to protect yourself and your family, enjoy your recreation, and exercise your constitutional civil and property rights?
3. Our rights under HIPAAPutatively, HIPAA protects the confidentiality of our medical information. Therefore, a health professional should have to request our permission to release our medical information to the administrators of the NICS list unless he or she decides that we represent an affirmative threat to ourselves or others (in which case and for which determination, the health professional takes responsibility for that determination).
How very sad that our elected legislators in the United States Senate, all sworn to defend the Constitution and elected to serve their constituents, us, act in total disregard for our rights and in a way that will, if enacted, discourage people from seeking needed medical help.
I wonder if these elite members of our very own nomenklatura would act in such a cavalier fashion by allowing health professionals to stealthily deny journalists, teachers, protesters, clergy, defendants and witnesses, and others to exercise free speech, freedom of religion and the exercise thereof, freedom from self-incrimination, and other rights, including but not limited to those enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I wonder if they have forgotten the difference between serving and ruling.
Please write to your own Senators, your Congressional representatives, and anyone else you can think of to express your outrage. Ill list the e-mail addresses or web sites of the sixteen miscreants who voted to abridge their constituents rights:
Please take action and spread the word.