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Sixteen Republican Senators Vote For Cloture On Gun Control Bill (Lamar Alexander, AYE!)
redstate.com ^ | 4/11/13

Posted on 06/17/2014 1:32:24 PM PDT by cotton1706

Remember these sixteen names when they run for office again.

The sixteen Republicans who voted to proceed were Sens. Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), Susan Collins (Maine). Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Dean Heller (Nev.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), John McCain (Ariz.), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Roger Wicker (Miss.).

List courtesy The Hill.com.

As reported by RedState yesterday, this bill would allow doctors to add a person’s name to the national database currently used for background checks, and list them as mentally ill, thus denying them a gun, and doing so without informing the patient or letting them present a defense before their name gets put into the computer.

The proposal will allow a doctor to add a patient to the National Instant Criminal Background Check System (NICS) without ever telling the patient he or she has been added.

There would be no due process requirement. Not all doctors will be able to do it with the same ease, but many will. Knowing a doctor could add him to a federal database as mentally ill without his knowledge could potentially dissuade a patient from going to the doctor in the first place to get help.

Worse, if the doctor does so and makes a mistake, the patient would have to actively work through the system to get himself removed — guilty before being proven innocent.

And now sixteen Republican Senators have decided that this bill can move forward. To call it disgraceful is too mild a word.

(Excerpt) Read more at redstate.com ...


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Remember this, when they voted "to proceed to debate" on a Thursday, but then there was no debate. The votes for the bills were on the following Wednesday!!

Because with Harry Reid in charge, voting for cloture to "proceed to debate" means "we can vote on the bills now!"

And Lamar Alexander loves to help Harry Reid get bills through cloture!

1 posted on 06/17/2014 1:32:24 PM PDT by cotton1706
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To: cotton1706

Does this have to get through the House too? They might stop it there.


2 posted on 06/17/2014 1:35:06 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: ZULU

This is from last year. All the bills failed. I just wanted to remind people of Lamar’s vote to help Harry Reid get the gun bills to a vote.


3 posted on 06/17/2014 1:36:20 PM PDT by cotton1706 (ThisRepublic.net)
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To: don-o

Lamnar! votes for gun control bill...

Thank goodness Joe Carr is for 2A


4 posted on 06/17/2014 1:36:42 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: cotton1706

There is no chance that this will be abused for political reasons - [cough...IRS...cough].


5 posted on 06/17/2014 1:37:31 PM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: cotton1706

My doctor is from Egypt. I suspect he’s Jewish as his name certainly is. He’s uber-liberal. (I’d call him a communist, actually.) Long before anybody brought this up he put on his form, do you own a gun? (I had one in my pocket.) I said no, which let me out from answering the many follow-up questions.

But I can see a time when ammunition purchase information would be forwarded to my doctor. Already, if I look up tires I’m spammed with tire ads. Obamacare would connect the dots as they’d know my doctor. Then the software would tell him I lied about the gun, which would probably automatically put me on the list.

The time is coming when if you buy ammo and live in a gun-controlled state you’d better have that gun registered or they’ll bust your door in. I’d pay cash, but how does one do that when you buy off the internet? (The local prices are MUCH higher.)


6 posted on 06/17/2014 1:43:02 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: cotton1706; Impy
>> I just wanted to remind people of Lamar’s vote to help Harry Reid get the gun bills to a vote. <<

It's a start, I suppose.

Now if the crowd hellbent on removing Mike Enzi and Pat Roberts (who you will voted the RIGHT way on this bill because they are far MORE conservative than Lamar!) would donate even 1/10th of the energy promoting Joe Carr as they do "Obama's conservative cousin", we might have a shot at removing a real RINO.

7 posted on 06/17/2014 1:47:43 PM PDT by BillyBoy (Looking at the weather lately, I could really use some 'global warming' right now!)
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To: Gen.Blather
Our doctor is a lib as well. He told Mr D back when obozocare was first discussed that it would be good for all of us. He has never asked us about gun ownership. Maybe he is not so sure about obozocare anymore.
8 posted on 06/17/2014 1:48:22 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: Gen.Blather
Already, if I look up tires I’m spammed with tire ads

There was a freeper who used the word 'nitpicking' in an email and got a bunch of ads popping up for lice medicine.

9 posted on 06/17/2014 1:52:03 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: cotton1706

I hope they are all well hung.


10 posted on 06/17/2014 1:57:22 PM PDT by exnavy (Fish or cut bait ...Got ammo, Godspeed!)
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To: cotton1706

If a doctor has good cause to put a person in the NICS system as mentally ill, he/she should be seeking to have that person involuntarily committed.

Any person who is so mentally ill that they can not be trusted to legally buy guns should be locked up because:

a) They can easily obtain guns illegally.

b) They can kill many people by means other than guns.


11 posted on 06/17/2014 1:58:19 PM PDT by Above My Pay Grade (The people have the right to tell government what guns it may possess, not the other way around.)
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To: cotton1706
While I appreciate the article, it would have been helpful to have a disclaimer up front regarding the time frame of this.

I was about to pick up the phone and let my senator have it on this. But with it being a year old they wouldn't have known what I was talking about.

btw...i did call last year.

12 posted on 06/17/2014 1:58:21 PM PDT by ealgeone (obama, borderof)
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To: cotton1706

Phew.

Thanks.

A LOT of RINOs in THAT herd!!


13 posted on 06/17/2014 2:05:11 PM PDT by ZULU (Impeach Obama NOW.)
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To: cotton1706
Lamar Alexander (Tenn.), Kelly Ayotte (N.H.), Richard Burr (N.C.), Saxby Chambliss (Ga.), Tom Coburn (Okla.), Susan Collins (Maine). Bob Corker (Tenn.), Jeff Flake (Ariz.), Lindsey Graham (S.C.), Dean Heller (Nev.), John Hoeven (N.D.), Johnny Isakson (Ga.), Mark Kirk (Ill.), John McCain (Ariz.), Pat Toomey (Pa.) and Roger Wicker (Miss.)

In other words, the usual RINO suspects.

14 posted on 06/17/2014 2:08:45 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: ZULU

Yes. All bills must pass both house and senate.


15 posted on 06/17/2014 2:09:32 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: ZULU

...or that’s what the Constitution states, at any rate...


16 posted on 06/17/2014 2:10:03 PM PDT by WayneS (Don't blame me, I voted for Kodos.)
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To: Gen.Blather

The time is also coming when you will have to give up the internet. The only one who can keep secrets on the net is Lois Lerner.


17 posted on 06/17/2014 2:18:53 PM PDT by txrefugee
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To: cotton1706

That will ease the Obamacare caused Doctor shortage.

Now people won’t go to the Doctor just like they don’t visit the IRS.


18 posted on 06/17/2014 2:29:21 PM PDT by Kickass Conservative (THEY LIVE, and we're the only ones wearing the Sunglasses...)
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To: Gen.Blather

Why deal with anyone from the middle east? Just asking for trouble.


19 posted on 06/17/2014 2:36:49 PM PDT by Enten (I don't have islamophobia...I do have islamonausea)
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To: Enten

“Why deal with anyone from the middle east? “

I didn’t have a clue as his English is perfect. I only found out by accident he’s from Egypt and goes back regularly. Now, because I don’t have insurance I can’t get a regular doctor. But I could still get in to see him and get prescriptions if I needed.

A doc in the box will not give me the scripts I need without duplicating the expensive tests my doc has on record.


20 posted on 06/17/2014 2:40:10 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather
..do you own a gun?

Apparently common now.
I had a form from a Dr. that recently gave up private practice and hooked up with a university hospital.
Since I have no weapons I could answer it truthfully, No.

21 posted on 06/17/2014 2:40:37 PM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Vinnie

“Since I have no weapons I could answer it truthfully, No.”

I’ve got some spares. Let’s talk... :p)


22 posted on 06/17/2014 2:43:19 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: cotton1706

Ah. K. Thanks. I was wondering how I missed this. Appreciate the info.


23 posted on 06/17/2014 2:52:36 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: Ditter

My husband went to the ER in Chandler, AZ, for the first time in his adult life last Christmas. The ER triage doc was awesome but he went on a tirade about “Welcome to Obamacare. Look around this ER. This is the future of medical care in America.” He knew he was preaching to the choir, but he was disgusted by the situation.


24 posted on 06/17/2014 2:54:22 PM PDT by Prince of Space (Be Breitbart, baby. LIFB.)
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To: cotton1706
Knowing a doctor could add him to a federal database as mentally ill without his knowledge could potentially dissuade a patient from going to the doctor in the first place to get help.

I do not need any mental health assistance, but if I did I would choose to tough it out rather than risk my freedom for the possibility of some help from someone of doubtful expertise. No, thank you. Physicians have slit their own throats by being willing to comply with this blunder, and I hope they suffer from the well-deserved loss of business.

25 posted on 06/17/2014 3:19:22 PM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: cotton1706

Now would be a good time to remind FReepers that shrinks are no substitute for Religion and your Priest, Pastor, or Rabbi.

Other than prescribing mind numbing meds, I’m not aware of any true help provided by a shrink.


26 posted on 06/17/2014 3:21:18 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: cotton1706

As for medical doctors, they have no need to know about my 2A participation.

...well...except my Audiologist...but then...we shoot together all of the time.....as I’m married to her...


27 posted on 06/17/2014 3:24:54 PM PDT by G Larry (Which of Obama's policies do you think I'd support if he were white?)
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To: cotton1706

Pat Toomey has been a HUGE disappointment.


28 posted on 06/17/2014 4:40:08 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: cotton1706
Worse, if the doctor does so and makes a mistake, the patient would have to actively work through the system to get himself removed — guilty before being proven innocent.

I'm sure it will be as easy to get off this list as it is to get off the 'no-fly' list.

29 posted on 06/17/2014 4:56:00 PM PDT by zeugma (It is time for us to start playing cowboys and muslims for real now.)
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To: Prince of Space

We both saw our doctor recently and I really hoped he would make a comment so I would know which side he was on now, but he didn’t.


30 posted on 06/17/2014 5:27:59 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: rktman; null and void

Ping

Dean Heller voted “to proceed to debate”.


31 posted on 06/17/2014 8:35:58 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Name your illness, do a Google & YouTube search with "hydrogen peroxide". Do it and be surprised.)
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To: cotton1706

Both my Arizona senators are traitors!


32 posted on 06/17/2014 9:33:58 PM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (There's only one reason for authorities to take the arms of good people.)
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To: cotton1706

Even given the stale-dating, it benefits us to know of the perfidy of those who “serve” us. (Medium-rare?) I wrote the following to many this morning:

A double whammy — civil rights and mental health

Well, the Senate, including sixteen Republican senators, did it again. They arrogated to themselves a role of ruling rather than serving, putting both civil rights and mental health treatment in jeopardy.

1. Civil Rights—Under this bill, a health professional, not even necessarily your physician, maybe an IRS official “administering” Obamacare (for our own good, or course), may choose to put you on the NICS list, prohibiting you from purchasing, and in some states, even owning, firearms, which he or she can do without you knowledge and without any opportunity to defend yourself. When you later discover that your name is on the NICS shit list, even in error, you and you alone have the burden of proof to restore your good name and your civil rights — no due process of law and no presumption of innocence for you misfits, “clinging to your guns and religion.”

2. Mental health treatment—Knowing this, would you report depression or other psychological or mental symptoms to a stranger and, in so doing, put your civil rights at risk and possibly lose the ability to protect yourself and your family, enjoy your recreation, and exercise your constitutional civil and property rights?

3. Our “rights” under HIPAA—Putatively, HIPAA protects the confidentiality of our medical information. Therefore, a “health professional” should have to request our permission to release our medical information to the administrators of the NICS list unless he or she decides that we represent an affirmative threat to ourselves or others (in which case and for which determination, the health professional takes responsibility for that determination).

How very sad that our elected legislators in the United States Senate, all sworn to defend the Constitution and elected to serve their constituents, us, act in total disregard for our rights and in a way that will, if enacted, discourage people from seeking needed medical help.

I wonder if these elite members of our very own nomenklatura would act in such a cavalier fashion by allowing health professionals to stealthily deny journalists, teachers, protesters, clergy, defendants and witnesses, and others to exercise free speech, “freedom of religion and the exercise thereof”, freedom from self-incrimination, and other rights, including but not limited to those enumerated in the Bill of Rights. I wonder if they have forgotten the difference between serving and ruling.
Please write to your own Senators, your Congressional representatives, and anyone else you can think of to express your outrage. I’ll list the e-mail addresses or web sites of the sixteen miscreants who voted to abridge their constituents’ rights:

Please take action and spread the word.

C.


33 posted on 06/18/2014 8:23:20 AM PDT by chuck07852 (Get real, please. Understand the real motives and the real consequences!)
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