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USN Aircraft carrier to be scrapped
Brownsville Herald ^ | 6-16-14 | Steve Clark

Posted on 06/17/2014 9:44:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog

Yet another decommissioned “supercarrier” is coming to the Port of Brownsville for scrapping, and it’s the biggest one yet.

In fact, the dismantling of the former aircraft carrier USS Constellation by International Shipbreaking Ltd. will be the largest ship-recycling job to take place in the United States.

Until the Constellation contract, the former USS Forrestal and the former USS Saratoga were the largest ships slated for salvaging by a U.S. ship breaker. The Forrestal arrived in Brownsville to much fanfare in February after being towed from Philadelphia, and is now being dismantled by All Star Metals.

The Saratoga, decommissioned in 1994, is expected to depart under tow from Naval Air Station at Newport, Rhode Island, this summer and will be recycled by ESCO Marine at the Port of Brownsville.

Construction began on the Constellation, the second of the Kitty Hawk-class of carriers, in 1957 at New York Naval Shipyard in Brooklyn. It was commissioned in October 1961. The vessel was decommissioned in August 2003 at the Naval Air Station North Island in San Diego, then towed to the inactive ship facility at Bremerton, Wash.

International Shipbreaking is expected to begin towing the 62,000-ton carrier — nicknamed “Connie” — from Washington in late summer.

(Excerpt) Read more at brownsvilleherald.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; US: Texas
KEYWORDS: brownsvilletx; constellation; decommissioned

1 posted on 06/17/2014 9:44:15 PM PDT by smokingfrog
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To: smokingfrog

With all that steel we should be able to make a whole lot of plowshares to send over to Iraq.


2 posted on 06/17/2014 9:46:10 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: smokingfrog; blueyon; KitJ; T Minus Four; xzins; CMS; The Sailor; ab01; txradioguy; Jet Jaguar; ...

Active Duty/Retiree ping.


3 posted on 06/17/2014 9:47:18 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: smokingfrog

I did some work at the shipyard several years ago. Was in the drydock working under the Constellation. Really weird to be walking under this huge ship sitting on thousands of wooden beams. (”Wood beams!!?? That’s it? Twenty-first century with the most technologically advanced military? And I have to work under it supported by wood beams!!??”)


4 posted on 06/17/2014 9:48:47 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve
And I have to work under it supported by wood beams!!??

That's bio-supports, if you please.

5 posted on 06/17/2014 9:54:05 PM PDT by dr_lew
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To: 21twelve

It didn’t colapse and crush you so shut up!


6 posted on 06/17/2014 9:59:10 PM PDT by dalereed
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To: smokingfrog

Speaking of scrapping:

http://www.outdoorhub.com/news/pentagon-destroy-1-2-billion-surplus-ammo/


7 posted on 06/17/2014 9:59:11 PM PDT by headstamp 2 (What would Scooby do?)
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To: 21twelve

“And I have to work under it supported by wood beams!!??”

You might be surprised to hear that when these things are on active duty, they use WATER to support them! Seems impossible.


8 posted on 06/17/2014 10:01:46 PM PDT by Born to Conserve
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To: smokingfrog

I had no idea Brownsville, Texas had a port that big.


9 posted on 06/17/2014 10:03:53 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican
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To: Born to Conserve

LOL. It was sad working there and knowing that it was heading for the scrap yard. I mentioned the work to a neighbor. Turns out he had served on the Constellation during Vietnam. On one of his weekend motorcycle rides he went over to the shipyard to say goodbye.


10 posted on 06/17/2014 10:10:38 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: 21twelve

11 posted on 06/17/2014 10:16:44 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: VerySadAmerican

http://navy.memorieshop.com/World-Ports/Brownsville/Channel.html


12 posted on 06/17/2014 10:23:00 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

Everything in life is temporary. This mighty ship will be just steel once again, just as we will return to dust. That’s the cycle of life, and that’s ok.


13 posted on 06/18/2014 12:12:41 AM PDT by Cry if I Wanna
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To: ElkGroveDan

Dan, my son goes to Sac State.


14 posted on 06/18/2014 2:50:51 AM PDT by Mark17 ( Rudyard Kipling: it is unhealthy, for scum bags to awaken the sleeping Saxon, and torque his jaws)
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To: smokingfrog
Interesting article. Of the last four conventional carriers Kitty Hawk, Connie, America, and JFK the Kitty Hawk the oldest of the four seemed to have survived the wear and tear the best since it is the reserve carrier. I'm surprised the northeast DEMs haven't demanded the Navy make JFK a museum from it's operations budget. JFK from accounts I've read was in pretty rough shape and it was the newest.

The feel and sound of being on the second deck of a KH class carrier running all eight boilers and all four screws turning at flank was awesome. The ship had a totally different feel to it at flank. You'd feel the internal vibration and the deck rising and falling. The turbines would be screaming. You just knew she was going all out.

The fact that none of them suffered a real full blown catastrophic boiler room disaster that could have blown the ship in half is a testimony to the quality standards they were build under. They had some incidents like America upon return from the MED in 1994 when at NOB but nothing close like what was possible to happen under a worse case scenario. Those were 8 boiler 1200 PSI superheated steam propulsion plants. Very deadly with even a pin hole leak. A silent unseen killer.

Both times I went to the Med we came back running Flank speed most of the way.

15 posted on 06/18/2014 3:09:04 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: smokingfrog

She and her class sister will suffer the fate of most ships. The bottom or the breakers.


16 posted on 06/18/2014 3:40:15 AM PDT by X Fretensis
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To: cva66snipe
I'm surprised the northeast DEMs haven't demanded the Navy make JFK a museum from it's operations budget. JFK from accounts I've read was in pretty rough shape and it was the newest.

They're way ahead of you: Link

If Ted Kennedy was still alive I guarantee the museum would have been federally funded.

17 posted on 06/18/2014 3:57:12 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: DoodleDawg
It looks like outside agencies and not the former crew-members in that group. Most carrier vet orgs did try to get their ship as a museum. None of the super carriers {Forestall-present} were made museums as far as I know.
18 posted on 06/18/2014 4:14:42 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: smokingfrog

Looks like Texas will have an abundance of material for steel targets soon.


19 posted on 06/18/2014 4:24:57 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: smokingfrog

Everything in life is temporary. This mighty ship will be just steel once again, just as we will return to dust. That’s the cycle of life, and that’s ok.


20 posted on 06/18/2014 5:51:34 AM PDT by Cry if I Wanna
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To: X Fretensis

yep


21 posted on 06/18/2014 5:55:17 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: cva66snipe
It looks like outside agencies and not the former crew-members in that group.

True. But you know as well as I do that if Ted Kennedy were still around the museum would be federally funded and a National Park.

22 posted on 06/18/2014 6:00:57 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: smokingfrog

Has anyone ever worked out how many razor blades you could theoretically manufacture from a scrapped aircraft carrier?


23 posted on 06/18/2014 7:44:55 AM PDT by RansomOttawa (tm)
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To: Mark17

It’s a good school. Tried to get my two oldest girls to go there, but they all want to “move away” for college these days.


24 posted on 06/18/2014 12:42:33 PM PDT by ElkGroveDan (My tagline is in the shop.)
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To: cva66snipe
Why aren't we selling this to Japan?

Refurbed, this old beauty has years of life in her.

25 posted on 06/18/2014 1:10:47 PM PDT by Kenny Bunk (The GOP is dying. What do we do now?)
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To: RansomOttawa

1,634,922,318


26 posted on 06/18/2014 1:45:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: smokingfrog

;^)

You have to show your work young man...


27 posted on 06/18/2014 1:47:31 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: ElkGroveDan
It’s a good school. Tried to get my two oldest girls to go there, but they all want to “move away” for college these days.

He first tried to get into UC Davis, but got accepted at Sac State. Next year, he will graduate, and plans to go to OTS, and become an Air Force officer. I told him that is fine, I just hope he doesn't have to serve under the Hildebeast. He doesn't like that idea either.

28 posted on 06/18/2014 1:56:30 PM PDT by Mark17 ( Rudyard Kipling: it is unhealthy, for scum bags to awaken the sleeping Saxon, and torque his jaws)
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To: Kenny Bunk
Why aren't we selling this to Japan? Refurbed, this old beauty has years of life in her.

The hull might but the propulsion plant has seen it's life. To do a refurb on the 8 boilers that would make it safe again would just about mean replacing them. That would mean taking her apart almost down to the keel {bottom}. When the keel was laid the boilers were among the first things to be installed and the ship built around it.

This is a 1200 PSI super heated steam system. Very dangerous and can be very deadly. Then there's the turbines themselves, Hydraulics including elevators, shaft and shaft alleys, generators, switchboards, etc. The Auxiliaries such as the chill water A/C plants and the miles of associated piping would also have to be replaced. In short it would be quicker and cheaper to build a new conventional carrier using either the Kitty Hawk or JFK blueprints.

The carriers at about 25 years service under go a Ship Life Extension Program or S.L.E.P. which is a comprehensive overhaul that takes almost 5 years. Every carrier but AMERICA CV-66 underwent this to give the 45-50 year design life. America was decommissioned instead as a money saving measure. They then ran her several years beyond what was safe. The result was a pier side boiler room explosion upon return from her 1993-94 MED Cruise. She was towed Cold Iron up to NNSY in Portsmouth, given a Band-Aid repair and sent out for yet another deployment and then taken out of service.

In past history we've sold ships to other nations. Several things to consider. They usually were Diesel engine propulsion, did not have the classified material a CV does {Classified below second deck} and those countries could safely maintain and operate the ships. A carrier takes a well trained and well experienced crew to keep it running safe. As for CONNIE being still classified? America was a Kitty Hawk Class same as Connie. She was sank in 15,000 plus feet of water to protect that information.

29 posted on 06/18/2014 2:08:04 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: SZonian

Also, I forgot to ask if single-blade or double-blade.


30 posted on 06/18/2014 2:09:11 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: Cry if I Wanna

Yeah, or they could have turned it into a reef.


31 posted on 06/18/2014 2:10:22 PM PDT by Rebelbase (Tagline: optional, printed after your name on post)
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To: Kenny Bunk

They don’t need it.

If they want a carrier they will design and build it


32 posted on 06/18/2014 2:10:35 PM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: DoodleDawg
True. But you know as well as I do that if Ted Kennedy were still around the museum would be federally funded and a National Park.

If Teddy hadn't been around the JFK would have been decommed in the late 1990's. I wish all my FR Bookmarks still worked. I had lots of links to the breakdown of the Navy starting in the early to mid 1990's. The breakdowns weren't crew created issues they were funding related issues where needed shipyard repairs were denied. That in turn took brought us to the situation at 9/11 where two carriers could not get underway. The solution? They fired the Captains rather than place the blame where it needed to be at the Pentagon and congress.

JFK was neglected. It was designated by the Pentagon as reserve, given a reserve budget, then ran active off and on for over a decade. Things started breaking down fast. It wasn't just the JFK before that it was America. Diplomacy's Gunboat http://www.fas.org/man/dod-101/sys/ship/docs/940224-cr.htm here is an excerpt from that article. I saw the article myself in a US News and World Report copy a family member gave me.

The America needs constant attention. Commissioned in 1965, it is showing its age. A month before leaving Norfolk, a senior enlisted crew member complained to his congressman: The ship was operating on only two of its six electric generators, without radar and unable to pump fuel. This would be its third six-month cruise in three years, and without the standard 18 months at home for repairs, salt water and full steaming had taken their toll.

But how? No radar? I'll explain it and I do know what I am talking about as to why. Two of six generators underway meant only one or two of her ten Chill Water Plants could be used. They drew anywhere from 1200-2000 amps on start up and 175-300 amps to run. No Air Conditioning? No Electronics it was as simple as that. Only the Gyro and primitive navigation electronics would have been spared for a reason I won't go into. I worked on the A/C plants. Critical repairs requiring shipyard were not getting done. The decision not to extend her life had been made under Poppy's tenure.

33 posted on 06/18/2014 2:35:10 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: smokingfrog

LOL! Well played!


34 posted on 06/18/2014 2:36:03 PM PDT by SZonian (Throwing our allegiances to political parties in the long run gave away our liberty.)
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To: Rebelbase
Yeah, or they could have turned it into a reef.

They couldn't due to classified info. America was sank 15,000 plus feet down after the data obtained to sink her was gathered to build the Gerald R Ford.

35 posted on 06/18/2014 2:50:04 PM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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