Skip to comments.Enough is enough: Bring them home, period.
Posted on 06/17/2014 10:46:42 PM PDT by TBP
I want to the start in a different place. The media keeps saying we are a nation that is being torn apart at the seams. In some ways, I agree with them, only because we are not looking for the things that bring us together. The left and right, we cant agree on anything, right? The only place we can find common ground is in the hatred of one another. Thats the narrative that everybody is giving you. Unfortunately, there is some truth to that, unless we decide to look for more.
We have been greatly divided. When the President burst out on the scene, he talked about how George Bush tore us apart with two wars and we had an economic disaster. A lot of people said, Hes right. We were a mess. We really, truly were a mess in 2008.
I dont think its gotten any better for the last five years. We have done nothing but watch our country and our families, our friends be ripped apart. We are deeper in debt. We are immersed in foreign wars. Our economy is much more fragile than it was in 2008. Racial tensions are higher than I have ever seen them. Im 50 years old. I dont remember an America that felt like this race-wise. We are far from reaching across the aisle. I shouldnt say that. The Republicans and Democrats are perfectly fine reaching across the aisle. They are not only reaching across the aisle, they are reaching across the aisle and fondling each other. Its just they are on the same exact page, and they will demonize. The Republicans are doing it, and the Democrats will do it. They will demonize anyone that steps out of line with the parties.
As bad as it has been, amazingly enough, lately, we seem to be finding areas where we all agree. There are things that are happening in America. For instance, the VA scandal. The VA scandal, Americans agree, is horrific. We need to plant our flag in some places where we know we are on the right side. Lets start planting our flags where we can have some victory. Thats one of them: The VA scandal. Lets start reaching across to people in our neighborhood, our friends who vote differently than us, on things like the VA scandal. Theres tons of blame. The President campaigned in 2008 on the VA saying that it was completely out of control. Now its much worse now, but thats the place we could start. George Bush screwed it up. I know. It was horrible. Good. Your guy didnt do anything, so lets fix it now.
We will be coming together to stop Common Core. I cant tell you how remarkable this Common Core thing is. When Bill Gates comes up and gives a speech: How about we call it a two-year hiatus? Just give it two years, see if it works. If it doesnt, well just give up. Lets do that. Really? Theyre letting Justina [Pelletier] go probably in the next couple of weeks too. Were on to you, Bill.
Heres the great thing: No matter how much money you are spending to sell us this load of bull crap, Americans arent buying it. It is not just the right. Its the left too. Its the teachers. Its the Chicago teachers union. Could we get any more left than that? The Tea Party standing side-by-side with the Chicago teachers unions? Thats fantastic. America is healing herself. I really want to talk to you about this compass I have been working on. I have said for a while that theres going to come a time when everything you know is upside down, when what you thought was solid would be liquid and liquid will be solid. Up is down, down is up. What was right will be wrong. Good will become evil. And there will be nothing that you recognize or can count on. I have said that for probably eight years. The time is here.
We are headed in exactly the wrong direction. We are at the polar opposite now of where we should be going. Thats not a conservative saying that. I believe thats anyone with any common sense. We should be doing more testing on our kids? Come on. You know thats not right. We should have more Islamic oversight in our Department of Homeland Security. You know thats not right. We should spend more money to get out of debt. You know thats not right. We should rush doctors and nurses and build emergency centers for the people who are coming across our borders, and they are coming here illegally and we are putting them on military bases. Meanwhile, we cant get the military to be able to get in to see a doctor for things like cancer. You know thats not right.
Maybe we could come together now on this nightmare in Iraq. From the beginning, most people on the left were against going into Iraq. I wasnt. At the time I believed that the United States was under threat from Saddam Hussein. I really truly believed that Saddam Hussein was funding terrorists. We knew that. He was funding the terrorists in Hamas. We knew that he was giving money. We could track that. We knew he hated us. We knew that without a shadow of a doubt. It wasnt much or a stretch to believe that he would fund a terror strike against us, especially since he would say that. So I took him at his word.
There were also atrocities that were happening in Iraq torture chambers, mass graves. At the time, the unanimous belief even with Hillary Clinton and everybody else was that he had weapon of mass destruction. There was also the element and this is really what spoke to me of bringing freedom to the people of Iraq for the first time in their long history. I dont want to control Iraq, but I have a soft spot for people who are being tortured and just want freedom because I really, truly believe Democrats and Republicans are the same. Israelis and Palestinians are the same. Once you get the politicians to leave the room, once you can deprogram people from what the politicians and leaders have said, everyone is pretty much the same. Its like, I just want to be left alone. I just want to raise my family, have fun. I want a decent life. Then politicians get involved and program us to hate each other. You have to be carefully taught who to hate.
Now, in spite of the things I felt at the time when we went into war, liberals said: We shouldnt get involved. We shouldnt nation-build. And there was no indication the people of Iraq had the will to be free. I thought that was insulting at the time. Everybody wants to be free. They said we couldnt force freedom on people. Let me lead with my mistakes. You are right. Liberals, you were right. We shouldnt have.
Now, if you believed those things, let me say: You were right. If you were just using it for political purposes, well, we dont have anything in common, But if you really believe those things, I would like to have a conversation with you now to find out exactly how you came to terms with that especially being a progressive. If you know the history of the progressive movement, it was Theodore Roosevelt and Woodrow Wilson that started imposing democracy in South America. The reason why South America is just loaded with communists is because we put a lot of them in. Thats the progressive ideal.
But I agree with you: You cannot force democracy on the Iraqis or anybody else. It doesnt work. They dont understand it or even really want it. They may be too immersed in their own belief of Sharia Law to embrace liberty or at least at this time. If people vote for Sharia Law, they vote for Sharia Law. We tried. What can we do? We have lost thousands of American lives. We have lost thousands of lives on the Iraqi side and tens of thousands have been wounded. We have spent $2 trillion say that again $2 trillion, and upwards of 200,000 Iraqi citizens, aid workers, insurgents have been killed. Thats the conservative number. Liberals will tell you its almost 1 million people. I dont know what the number is, but after all of that, hundreds of thousands of lives, $2 trillion, the best minds in the world trying to do it, its about to fall apart.
Terrorists of the most radical kind maybe the most radical we have witnessed since Nazis are now poised to overrun the capitol city. All of our effort, all our sacrifices, all of it is gone. $1 billion embassy, which I contend, I have nothing to back it up except my gut, thats not an embassy. It is a listening station. Theres something wrong with that embassy. You dont build something that big in Baghdad. How many of us are going, Im going to vacation in Baghdad. Hope they have a nice embassy? What do we have it there for? Why is it that big? Something is wrong with that.
But, anyway, all of that is gone. And yet, this is something I think that we can come together with, on the right and the left. And its this I have more of a chance of hacking off my loyal listeners and audience by saying this, but so be it: Not one more life. Not one more life. Not one more dollar, not one more airplane, not one more bullet, not one more Marine, not one more arm or leg or eye. Not one more.
The people of Iraq have got to work this out themselves. Our days of being the worlds policemen, our days of interventionists is over. If we are directly attacked, so be it. But this must end now.
Cant we come together on that? Are we not all a people that can come together on that? Wedont want our sacrifice to be a waste. Let me ask you this question: What good will one more life do? To waste one more life, what good will it do, to waste another dollar, let alone another trillion? And conservatives, is there one that believes this President will prosecute a new war in Iraq properly? When the biggest hawk of them all, the Darth Vader of the entire galactic empire, Dick Cheney and George Bush didnt prosecute it right? No. In the end, the result will be the same. Another group of radicals will pop up again. It is like a never-ending game of whack amole over there. The only way to prevent Baghdad from being overrun eventually is stay there and continue to fight this militarily in perpetuity. Are you willing to do that?
Dont even start with me on your oil an gas. Guess we should have thought about that earlier. Maybe if we use our own oil and gas, we wouldnt have to worry about this. Liberals, you were against it in the first place. How could you be in favor of more intervention now? How could you possibly be for that after everything you have said about how its going to fall apart in the end was right? Everything I said that we could hold it together was wrong.
We need to pull out and end the long nightmarish involvement in this mess. We need to do the same in Afghanistan, once and for all. I remember back in the 1970s, we were going to the moon and liberals at that time would say, We have bigger problems here on earth that need to be taken care of. How much more is that argument correctly applied to todays situation?
Finally, there are some things we can agree on. Finally, there are some things we can come together on and clean up our own house. But if we do to the liberals what they did to us and George W. Bush and make it just about politics, we will be divided more. This cannot become about the President. It cannot become act the Democrats. This has to become about the principles because in the principles we all agree. Enough is enough. Bring them home, period.
If Glenn doesn’t think Iraq under the control of ISIS is a threat to the Western World, then it couldn’t possibly be.
...or could it?
Who funded and armed and probably trained this group coming out of Eastern Syria?
The Bombastic Kenya Bushman should know...
They’re not destroying each other, though. That’s the fantasy of the liberals. Factions have always warred with each other in that part of the world, but they eventually united. They will never say “Great Satan who?”
That said, the liberals in charge of this country will certainly leave our military and civilians hung out to dry in order to induce a majority to “bring them home”. Which is what the jihadists want.
Is an Iraq under Iranian control any less of a threat?
Glenn raises a good question: What difference will more lives, more dollars, more bombs, more arms, legs, eyes make?
The longer the Iranians and the ISIS clowns fight each other and the more damage they do, the better for us.
Just make sure neither the Israelis nor the Kurds get swept up in the regional holocaust.
I quit listening to GB. He’s a flake and wannabe cult leader.
The last straw were blatant lies in his comments about Bundy-BLM. I half expected there would be a new program after the commercials and he would be off the air.
The Obama regime. It was called "Operation Zero Footprint".
Glenn's own network, The Blaze TV, reported on this on its program For the Record (with our old friend Laurie Dhue.) So did lefty Seymour Hersh (in some detail) in the London Review of Books.
I used to feel the same way. I used to believe that we all loved our country and that while we disagreed on certain issues both sides had the same hope they just found it expressed in different ways through different things. Sadly I have had to abandoned this belief. I find our Left are far more interested in what the world or more specifically the UN thinks of us - I find their cultural cringe revolting. Sadly though I find our Right wing quite extreme fiscally and while quite a few here may find that palatable - it is one thing to proclaim it and another to live with it! Here I think ideology sometimes trumps what is best for the country. True middle ground, based on what is best for our country, seems to be shrinking and maybe no longer really exists.
A fake? He’s about as genuine as anyone on the air.
If Iran goes in to fight in Iraq, do you think they leave?
It’s one thing to have massive number of Iran’s military on the border. It’s another to have them carrying out a military campaign in country, and positioned to pounce.
How would we like it, if Iraq turned into Iran(2)?
Not unless they're forced out. Which is why it's good to let the ISIS-Iran war drag out for a LONG time. Enemy killing enemy. That's never a bad thing.
That’s good. I wasn’t trying to dump on Glen particularly.
I don’t think letting Iraq drift is in our best interest.
We may not like being involved, but focusing the terrorist attention on Iraq, is better than focusing them on New York.
The neocons are going berserk. McCain is acting like a spoiled child. I saw Kristol calmly explain that a Presidential speech would lead to wide acceptance of military action. Except ... Obama wanted military action in Syria last year and 85% of Americans said, “He** No!”. These weird warmongers are not operating in a “reality based” universe (neocon phrase from the Bush years). But, they are sure they can frighten enough people to reach their dream of perpetual war / empire.
And Libya before that. (But he did it anyway.)
Okay, I agree. Not unless they are forced out.
Just what we need over there, another nation whose government answers to an Ayatolah, and hates the U.S.
That’s what we’d wind up with.
Say what you want about the lackluster leadership in Iraq, it wasn’t blustering about attacking the United States every fifteen minutes.
It wasn’t seeking nukes to use against the West.
Obama does not want to fight them whether on their soilor ours.
And if ISIS wins, we get another government that answers to a different murderous mullah and hates the U.S. Either way, we lose.
So why should we be involved in a situation in which we lose either way? The only way to “win” is to make sure their fight drags out for a long time.
If Iran gets too strong, new terrorists will swarm in to support ISIS.
Please define “quite extreme fiscally”.
No, because whomever comes out on top will renew focus on the Great Satan. They will not destroy each other for our benefit.
It makes no difference to you if a terrorist group that has promised to attack the United States ends up with a base of operation over a large region of the middle east?
Well selling off the farm and other stuff to the Chinese for the sake of having an open and free market is one thing. Ideologically it’s all fine and good if the rest of the world does the same but opening up markets or selling off assets in an environment that is not a level playing field is stupid and not for the good of the country.
That was not for the sake of having an open and free market. Note the increase in regulations and taxation that came concurrent with that, eliminating the US free market in the process and replacing it with a sort of social market economy. It was for the sake of allowing non-market economies to assail the USA’s market.
Non-market economies and market economies (especially free market) are incompatible and irreconcilable with each other. This is the ultimate in asymmetrical warfare, rather; reminiscent of Sun Tzu’s admonition to “take the enemy’s country whole and intact” (Art of War, III:1), with people in our government only too willing to help.
“There is a tide in the affairs of men,
Which, taken at the flood, leads on to fortune;
Omitted, all the voyage of their life
Is bound in shallows and in miseries.
On such a full sea are we now afloat,
And we must take the current when it serves
Or lose our ventures.”
The time for a war to control Arabia has passed. It was important, it was necessary. It was carried out improvidently, with poor tactics and even worse strategy. There is a reason that victory in war is preferable to defeat, and we are living it now.
I am actually talking about Australia but you point is taken while the reasons given may not be those in actuality. Another thing here has been that being an Island our quality and bio-security of our produce has always been a big selling point but “for the sake of an open market” we now let produce into the country from areas with blight or other diseases without requiring of them the same stringent rules that apply to our own farmers. We are one of the few places on earth that does not have problems with honey bee hives yet risks are taken with that as well. Not good for the country. Also we have let large companies fail recently without the pre-planning of having something to replace them. When these companies close in a couple of years there will be employment deserts in the surrounding areas. I am all for cutting subsidies for companies but it needs to be a planned exit and not just a demolition!
I’m not a fan of GB. Just too weird for my tastes. However even a blind squirrel gets a nut every now and then. We should not fight wars we are unwilling to win. Since that seems to be just about every one we’ve involved ourselves in since WWII, we need to seriously rethink how we approach this stuff. Dear leader has done a heck of a job of ensuring that no ally actually trusts us to watch their back. So I think we’re going to end up in a more isolationist model whether we like it or not.
The founding fathers were actually pretty clear about what they thought: honest friendship with all nations, entangling alliances with none.
“If Iran goes in to fight in Iraq, do you think they leave?”
No, they will not. And, by gaining control of Iraqi oil in addition to its own, Iran will have enough clout to shape oil cartel economics and politics in the Middle East and Europe to which most of these two countries oil flows. Say hello to Shari law Europe.....
I never listened to him. He came on the same time as Neal Boortz. He was way to dramatic on TV. I did not watch.
The only thing I have in common with him is his disdain for ZERO & THE KLINTOONS. . . .
It is immoral to have people killed in a war that you have no intention of trying to win.
Bring them home. Now.
Our troops are the best in the world. They won everywhere they went. They are loyal, honorable, and distinguish by valor, dedication, and capability. The leadership they have is not worthy of such soldiers.
Let’s bring them home. Quickly.
And so they have jobs that will support their families when the military is inevitably downsized, let us put a hiatus on all immigration, legal and illegal, until each of them is employed. And so their wounds, visible and invisible, are cared for as promised by their country, let us fix the Veterans Administration by taking it out of the hands of bureaucrats and turning the medical care portion of it over to a hospital corporation.
Al Baghdadi himself said he would “see us in New York” This guy doesn’t bluff. He will attack us in this nation if he gets half a chance. Not only that—he is organized and savage. Still, I believe we should get out fast and burn the embassy when we leave. Let the Iranians meet the ISIS Army. We need not be there—and if they march on Mecca—so be it. Time to pull back and re-group for the next fight.
Who, when, where dos the media say the nation is being torn apart at the seams?
I agree with you. My opinion has absolutely nothing to do with Glen Beck. It is immoral to have our troops killed in wars we have no intention of winning and no intention of allowing them to FULLY fight.
And no matter which of these sides wins in Iraq, we serve notice that a reprisal is way too easy, that we can take them out whenever we want.
Also, no matter which side wins we lose. Maliki, a Shi'ite, was ALREADY aligning quickly with Iran. It's no accident that Iran is fighting on his behalf. In fact, the Kurdish and Sunni regions of Iraq were already incensed by the fact that Maliki was stripping them of their positions and turning them over to Shi'ite replacements.
So, in my opinion, the best course for the US to pursue is to first send a clear message to the Kurds that as long as they fight for their freedom that we'll see they have the tools to fight with. So far as the Saddam Husseinites who are coming again to power in Sunni neighborhoods, let them fight the Shi'ites and take each other out.
I think we should go back to Iraq. And by we, I mean somebody else, just like the other 99% of the people who say we should have gone there in the first place. And don’t ask me to pay for it either, just tack it on to the debt.
They’re not going to destroy each other for our benefit, but for what they perceive as their benefit. It benefits Iran to destroy ISIS and it benefits ISIS to destroy Iran.
How does one more life, one more bomb, one more airplane, one more arm, leg, eye, or thousands more, stop it? We’ve been doing it for 12 years. What do you propose that we do?
As well as the millions of other Americans who have lost jobs and/or dropped out of the labor force.
So if we destroy him, it empowers Iran. If the Iranians’ ambitions are destroyed, it empowers Al Baghdadi and ISIS. Either way, we lose, thanks to our feckless leaders. Let Iran destroy ISIS and let ISIS smash Iran in the process. Our only job is to let them kill each other and see if we can’t make their war with each other longer.
There is absolutely no question that we had succeeded and that the time honored habit of keeping our troops there to keep the peace, i.e. Germany and Japan, would have eventually given us a generation who were not wedded to Sharia.
But Obama trumpeted that we were leaving a working and successful democracy and they didn’t need us anymore. This is ALL the democrats fault and has nothing to do with President Bush.
Again, they will not destroy each other. It’s not going to happen. They will not reward the inaction, or possible foolish actions, of the “Great Satan” in that manner.
Not for us, but because each of them claims to be the legitimate caliphate. They fought for years before we came in.
No, they never fought each other to any significant degree, otherwise they would not have had the chance to reproduce as they have done. One side will emerge victorious, and will unite the rest of the factions rather than emerge weakened.
No, Glenn. We didn't win World War II by going around saying or even thinking stuff like that.
Beck's quit. He's finally beaten. He's giving up.
Have some cheese, Glenn.
No. Shoulder the load, kill them all, and finish it. Let God sort them out. Don't try to punt and play odds. That's what losers do.
I would train their pilots for pay and I would sell them aircraft for pay.
Those who truly want freedom, who are sitting on marketable oil, have the money to pay and WILL pay.
We have found that fighting other people’s wars doesn’t work. That doesn’t mean we don’t care who wins.
Today (Wednesday), Michael Medved was ranting about how this is all Obama’s fault and it wouldn’t have happened if he’d listened to the majority of Republicans who wanted to intervene in Syria.
That’s a blatant lie. It’s 100% backwards. And Medved knows it. I guess the war mongers figure if they call Obama enough names, conservatives who don’t pay attention will assume they’re telling the truth.
What’s their game? Seriously.
Col. David Hunt of Fox and Col. Oliver North are on record saying we should not get in the middle of this.
Kurd is Arabic for Contra.
You're proof we live in an instant gratification society. You don't get it -- the threat of Islamic terrorist isn't going to cease unless the terrorists are destroyed. We have to remain in the middle east to combat these terrorist group as long as it takes to eliminate the threat or they will be attacking us on US soil.