Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

Skip to comments.

Why Darrell Issa Just Asked The IRS To Hand Over A Hard Drive
The Washington Times ^ | 6/17/14 | Susan Ferrechio

Posted on 06/18/2014 12:28:29 AM PDT by Lmo56

House Oversight and Government Reform Committee Chairman Darrell Issa on Tuesday issued a subpoena to the Internal Revenue Service, ordering the agency to turn over the hard drive they claim is responsible for wiping out two years of critical email communications.

Issa has dramatically widened his probe into the IRS after the agency announced last week that it had lost the emails, which may have provided information about an IRS policy of targeting for extra scrutiny and delay many conservative groups seeking tax-exempt status.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonexaminer.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government
KEYWORDS: harddrive; irs; issa
Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last
I wonder if the hard drive will take the Fifth ...
1 posted on 06/18/2014 12:28:29 AM PDT by Lmo56
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

I wonder if the hard drive will show evidence of being wiped.


2 posted on 06/18/2014 12:30:34 AM PDT by DB
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

Issa has been IMPOTENT in this SCANDAL investigation!! IMPOTENT!


3 posted on 06/18/2014 12:36:50 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

They will soon learn that all the hard drives have been destroyed and buried in an undisclosed landfill. Standard procedure for the IRS, of course! /sarc


4 posted on 06/18/2014 12:41:52 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

Why doesn’t he force her to offer up all her email addresses. All of them.


5 posted on 06/18/2014 12:47:15 AM PDT by Thebaddog (Beat me Daddy, eight to the bar.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cowboy Bob
They will soon learn that all the hard drives have been destroyed and buried in an undisclosed landfill Marcy Park. Standard procedure for the IRS, of course! /sarc
6 posted on 06/18/2014 1:04:24 AM PDT by laweeks
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56
Chairman Darrell Issa on Tuesday issued a subpoena to the Internal Revenue Service, ordering the agency to turn over the hard drive they claim is responsible for wiping out two years of critical email communications.

"The" hard drive. Singular.

I know that Issa asked for backups too, but too much of the reporting on this subject pretends that this is about one hard drive on one computer. That is the left's preferred narrative, and it's not true. There will be at least multiple copies of the emails on RAID arrays.

Let Issa call Symantec's Chief Technology Officer to testify on the likelihood that the IRS's Symantec Netbackup software lost Lerner's emails because a single hard drive went down.

7 posted on 06/18/2014 1:20:44 AM PDT by TChad (The Obamacare motto: Dulce et decorum est pro patria mori.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: TChad

That’s what will have to be done. The arrogance of this criminal administration.....


8 posted on 06/18/2014 1:31:36 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

Issa is impotent on all the Obama scandals. That’s why Boehner and the Dems want him right where he is.


9 posted on 06/18/2014 1:43:35 AM PDT by 9YearLurker
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: TChad

I have not been following this very closely- so I do not know if this point has been raised.

I receive an email from you (this is an example), you are outside or inside my organization. I make changes or comments to your email, I then email back to you.

At the very least - I should have copy of your original in my inbox and the new in my sent box(comments added) email, as you should of the original without my comments.
If the distribution list was large everyone should have a copy, or more depending on how many replies said email generated.

This answer by the IRS boggles the mind for shear arrogance.


10 posted on 06/18/2014 1:51:15 AM PDT by Nailbiter
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

Issa has been impotent in EVERY scandal investigation.All bark, no bite.


11 posted on 06/18/2014 1:55:55 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Valley Forge Redux. If not now, when? If not here, where?)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

Come on Darrell,
Obammy and company are playing you for a punk.


12 posted on 06/18/2014 2:30:46 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Thebaddog
Why doesn’t he force her to offer up all her email addresses. All of them.

I've been saying that for a year. I'm sure alot of democratic 'business' has been on back channels via yahoo, aol, hotmail, msn...
13 posted on 06/18/2014 2:31:33 AM PDT by ratzoe (damn, I miss Barbara Olson)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

Every email that I send or receive on my government computer is archived somewhere, not on my computer. I have a hard time believing that all of those emails were lost... I’m pretty sure the systems are redundant.


14 posted on 06/18/2014 2:45:33 AM PDT by exDemMom (Current visual of the hole the US continues to dig itself into: http://www.usdebtclock.org/)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: DB
I wonder if the hard drive will show evidence of being wiped

I wonder if it will be the correct hard drive?

15 posted on 06/18/2014 3:11:22 AM PDT by Mark17 ( Rudyard Kipling: it is unhealthy, for scum bags to awaken the sleeping Saxon, and torque his jaws)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: All

In the end, this will all come down to “executive privilege” and the records will be sealed with dutiful assistance from the dept of Just-Us...


16 posted on 06/18/2014 3:14:37 AM PDT by newnhdad (Our new motto: USA, it was fun while it lasted.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 15 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56
 photo LERNER_zps7ab00421.jpg
17 posted on 06/18/2014 3:20:20 AM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: exDemMom

NSA has copies!


18 posted on 06/18/2014 3:53:55 AM PDT by urbanpovertylawcenter (the law and poverty collide in an urban setting and sparks fly)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: TChad

“There will be at least multiple copies of the emails on RAID arrays.”

Every time I did my required offsite backups I always made two copies. One copy I kept on site for my use in case of a needed restore because developers were always trashing their files. It’s just not believable that the storage admins didn’t do the same in this case.


19 posted on 06/18/2014 4:21:12 AM PDT by dljordan (WhoVoltaire: "To find out who rules over you, simply find out who you are not allowed to criticize.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

Of course not.

He is diligently proceeding to gather evidence necessary to make the kill.


20 posted on 06/18/2014 4:24:18 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

The other side are playing Chicago rules. The media protects the other side with the sword and shield of Race.

Issa needs to pick up his game and start putting the enablers in Jail


21 posted on 06/18/2014 4:24:21 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Thebaddog

I believe the hard drives never contained any messages to begin with.
All nefarious messages were via gmail or hotmail, to break the law and avoid using her government assigned email address, by design


22 posted on 06/18/2014 4:27:36 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 5 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56
Nah, it'll just be lost.
23 posted on 06/18/2014 4:33:42 AM PDT by liberalh8ter (The only difference between flash mob 'urban yutes' and U.S. politicians is the hoodies.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Cowboy Bob

Actually, there are government security specifications for doing just that for crashed and or decommissioned hardware. Mostly it is intended for DoD and intel agencies. Might also cover other agencies depending on the classification of the data it held..


24 posted on 06/18/2014 4:37:48 AM PDT by AFreeBird
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 4 | View Replies]

To: Nailbiter
Not quite. The email exists in a central repository (server) and views are provided upon request.

The IRS's statement of "the dog crashed my email" should be an insult to the intelligence of everyone but we recognize that it is a bitch slap to those daring to question "Supreme Leader".

25 posted on 06/18/2014 4:50:19 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]

To: SWAMPSNIPER

If Lois Lerner said she hasn’t had a hard drive in years, I’d believe her.


26 posted on 06/18/2014 4:57:49 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 17 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

Wrong move. The drive is not the problem. Emails are not contained ONLY on one specific drive. Wrong approach.

We are dealing with criminals here. They have the full power of the government, irs, fbi, ‘justice’ department behind them.


27 posted on 06/18/2014 5:01:54 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

The hard drive was found alone in Ft. Marcy Park, nothing suspicious though.


28 posted on 06/18/2014 5:04:03 AM PDT by Ouchthatonehurt ("When you're going through hell, keep going." - Sir Winston Churchill)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ouchthatonehurt

I heard it shot itself in the back of the head...
5 times.


29 posted on 06/18/2014 5:05:03 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 28 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

Who cares about the supposed damaged hard drive on her PC, what about the email servers at the IRS? Are we to believe 2 years worth of data was magically destroyed for her email account and no one else?


30 posted on 06/18/2014 5:05:29 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Flick Lives

According to Ted Cruz emails were “lost” from 6 others at the IRS involved in this case.


31 posted on 06/18/2014 5:06:35 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (CrossFit.com)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 30 | View Replies]

To: DB

format c:


32 posted on 06/18/2014 5:12:39 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 2 | View Replies]

To: The_Victor

That won’t do a thing as far as recovering data goes.


33 posted on 06/18/2014 5:13:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 32 | View Replies]

To: I want the USA back

Don’t accept that the emails are not available. Start jailing them for obstruction until they are produced.


34 posted on 06/18/2014 5:14:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 27 | View Replies]

To: TChad

I thought the same thing but here is more from the article. the headline writer is just an idiot:

Here are the items Issa is asking the IRS to produce:

+ All back-up tapes, external drives, thumb drives, or other storage media the IRS used to capture, archive, back up, or otherwise record e-mails sent or received by Lerner from Jan. 1, 2009, to Sept. 23, 2013.

+ All hard drives, external drives, thumb drives, and computers Lerner used from Jan. 1, 2009, to Sept.23, 2013.

+ All electronic communication devices the IRS issued to Lerner from Jan. 1, 2009, to Sept. 23, 2013.

+ All electronic files, including, but not limited to, .pst files, relating to the IRS e-mail account Lerner used from Jan. 1, 2009, to Sept. 23, 2013.

+ All documents and communications that Lerner printed and/or stored for Federal Records Act compliance purposes from Jan. 1, 2009 to Sept. 23, 2013.

+ All documents and communications referring or relating to the production to any congressional committee or member of Congress of e-mail communications sent or received by Lerner from Jan. 1, 2009, to Aug. 2, 2013.

+ All documents and communications referring or relating to the creation of “Enclosure 3” from the June 13 letter from Leonard Oursler to Senate Finance Committee Chairman Ron Wyden and Ranking Member Orrin Hatch, titled “Description of IRS Email Collection and Production.”

+ All documents and communications between or among IRS employees and employees of any Executive Branch entity referring or relating to the IRS’ production of documents to Congress from May 10, 2013, to the present.

+ All documents and communications referring or relating to the subpoena issued by the House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform to Treasury Secretary Jack Lew on Aug. 2, 2013.

+ All documents and communications referring or relating to the subpoena issued by House Oversight to Koskinen on Feb. 14.


35 posted on 06/18/2014 5:18:26 AM PDT by Wyatt's Torch
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 7 | View Replies]

To: MrB
That won’t do a thing as far as recovering data goes.

You are of course correct. I'm sure the disk will have been wiped according to government standards (DoD 5220.22-M). Just to be sure.

36 posted on 06/18/2014 5:20:58 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 33 | View Replies]

To: exDemMom; Lmo56

Let’s clear up your confusion. Lyin’ Lois’ emails for the 2 years subpoenaed by the House committee, are not “lost” and have never been “lost”. No one but the White House and the IRS believes this ploy. This is a red herring thrown up in the face of Issa’s committee in an attempt to end the investigation and close the hearings.

Just look back on the last five years of the Obama administration. Obama and his minions have lied at every turn and continue to lie to the media and public to this day. Why would anyone take at face value their assertion that the key witness’s emails were “lost” when her computer’s hard drive crashed? The answer is that no one does. This is an outright lie to cover a lie.

Similar to when Obama released his long form birth certificate back in 2011 and posted it on the White House website, claiming that it was a photocopy of the original form from Hawaii. Only the White House, the propaganda media and hard-core liberal supporters believed that hoax. Hundreds of computer/digital graphics professionals came out in public almost immediately and said the form was a manipulated, created Photoshopped image, and a poor one at that. In other words, it was a forgery. A fraudulent document. The same is true now with this IRS assertion. IT professionals from all over the country are coming out saying that emails do not just disappear, even if a hard drive crashed. The administration is so arrogant and omnipotent that they think everyone else out here in the country are stupid and naive and don’t understand all of this “technical computer stuff”.

So don’t believe for one second what the IRS is claiming. Even their own regulations, on top of redundant federal regulations, require that all systems be backed up and even that hard-copy, printed versions of emails be archived for future reference. To believe that the IRS did none of this is so far-fetched, it simply lies in fallow ground. Their claim that the emails from her computer are “lost” because of an alleged hard drive crash is a moot point anyway. There are multiple other places that her emails are stored in and are retrievable for the committee.


37 posted on 06/18/2014 5:23:46 AM PDT by HotHunt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 14 | View Replies]

To: The_Victor

That would, of course, leave its own footprint.
And the excuse will be that the disk was to be discarded and therefore required wiping.

But, there’s the little problem of THE LAW stating that data must be retained, emails archived and indexed, etc, according to SOX.


38 posted on 06/18/2014 5:25:57 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 36 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

Draaaaaaaaaaaag it out Daryl I$$A. CONgre$$. We are paying them…why?


39 posted on 06/18/2014 5:32:12 AM PDT by PGalt
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: MrB

I’m pretty sure, at this point, obeying the law is irrelevant to these people.


40 posted on 06/18/2014 5:36:09 AM PDT by The_Victor (If all I want is a warm feeling, I should just wet my pants.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 38 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

When Issa issue’s a subpoena it is useless, since they don’t have to respond to it for several months, or however long it takes for them to lose the hard drive.


41 posted on 06/18/2014 5:37:43 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

More grandstanding moronic gestures. Really not impressed!


42 posted on 06/18/2014 5:38:23 AM PDT by defconw (LUTFA!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

“Asked?” “Asked?” How about DEMAND! And not just “a” hard-drive, how about back-ups and such...


43 posted on 06/18/2014 5:39:58 AM PDT by Thorliveshere (Minnesota Survivor)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

They should consult some computer experts and request all the computer maintenance records — every organization, including I am sure the IRS, backs up their data, there are backups to the backups.


44 posted on 06/18/2014 5:54:33 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Steven Tyler
“All nefarious messages were via gmail or hotmail, to break the law and avoid using her government assigned email address, by design”

If that's true, then Google (or the hotmail folks) has the emails on their back-up servers. All of them.

45 posted on 06/18/2014 6:02:12 AM PDT by riverdawg
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 22 | View Replies]

To: All

“It looks like the American people were lied to and the IRS tried to cover up the fact it conveniently lost key documents in this investigation,” Camp and Boustany said in a statement. “The White House promised full cooperation, the commissioner promised full access to Lois Lerner emails and now the agency claims it cannot produce those materials and they’ve known for months they couldn’t do this.”
In addition, the American Center for Law and Justice (ACLJ), which represents 41 organizations who are suing the government in federal court, sent letters to federal agencies and Democratic senators asking them to preserve documents relating to the case.
“The Obama administration’s IRS continues to spin an unbelievable tale that is simply absurd,” said Jay Sekulow, the center’s chief counsel. “The disappearing emails will not prevent us from pursuing the evidence that we know exists – evidence that shows a well-orchestrated effort to unlawfully target groups because of their political beliefs.”
Besides the IRS and Justice, the center sent letters to the Federal Bureau of Investigation, the Federal Election Commission, and the White House. It also sent correspondence to several Democrats who have been mentioned in IRS correspondence.
They include Sens. Michael Bennet of Colorado, Dick Durbin of Illinois, Al Franken of Minnesota, and Jeanne Shaheen of New Hampshire The group also has targeted Reps. Jim McGovern of Massachusetts, Chris Van Hollen of Maryland, and Peter Welch of Vermont.
“It is troubling to see a brazen, out-of-control IRS utilizing increasingly unbelievable stonewalling tactics to cover-up the truth from the American people,” Sekulow said. “We will not permit that to occur.”

http://www.newsmax.com/Newsfront/house-oversight-committee-subpoena/2014/06/17/id/577673/


46 posted on 06/18/2014 6:14:51 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: Ann Archy

I think they need to find some real punishment for being held in contempt.


47 posted on 06/18/2014 6:16:40 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 3 | View Replies]

To: Lmo56

Bump to this thread.


48 posted on 06/18/2014 6:31:24 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (http://www.census.gov/foreign-trade/balance/c5700.html#2013)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 1 | View Replies]

To: 9YearLurker

“Issa is impotent on all the Obama scandals. That’s why Boehner and the Dems want him right where he is.”

Right you are! Issa is a useless showman who’s totally ineffective at moving this investigation forward. I used to think that the GOPe was just inept, but now it’s clear that they are co-conspirators with the RATs. It’s sad!


49 posted on 06/18/2014 7:35:16 AM PDT by vette6387
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 9 | View Replies]

To: Nailbiter
If the distribution list was large everyone should have a copy, or more depending on how many replies said email generated.

That's why the announcement that the emails were "lost" was delayed for over a year after they were demanded. Takes time to wipe that distribution list...

50 posted on 06/18/2014 7:52:10 AM PDT by JimRed (Excise the cancer before it kills us; feed & water the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS NOW & FOREVER!)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 10 | View Replies]


Navigation: use the links below to view more comments.
first 1-5051-55 next last

Disclaimer: Opinions posted on Free Republic are those of the individual posters and do not necessarily represent the opinion of Free Republic or its management. All materials posted herein are protected by copyright law and the exemption for fair use of copyrighted works.

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson