Skip to comments.A Fed-Up Veteran Blasts VA's "Lie, Delay, Deny" Abyss
Posted on 06/18/2014 4:13:54 AM PDT by Kaslin
They don't care."
As Obama administration officials pivot like haywire jewelry-box ballerinas to divert attention away from the nationwide Veterans Affairs disgrace, a reader who has been fighting the system urged me to urge Capitol Hill and the American public to stay focused.
This former Special Forces soldier and medic served his country for 25 years. He worked in the health care field managing military field medical clinics. "I know how health care is supposed to run, even in austere or low-budget environments," he says. And in his nightmarish, ongoing experience, the VA is an epic, deadly, monstrous failure. He minces no words: "They're getting billions of dollars, and they treat veterans like s-t. There's no accountability, no buy-in, among civilian unionized employees. We mean nothing to them. It's like going to the DMV for your health care."
Over the past four years, the veteran tells me, he has been under direct VA care for two major line-of-duty-related injuries, including one combat-related injury. One of the medical centers that treated him -- or rather mistreated him and maltreated him -- is the Coatesville, Pa., VA. It's the same facility where four vets died due to medical malpractice, leading to nearly $1.4 million in settlements to vets' families, according to The Center for Investigative Reporting.
The harrowing cases included two fatal failures to monitor patients, improper management of a psychiatric patient, and wrongful diagnosis or misdiagnosis of a patient.
These details are all too familiar to my reader. "I have been misdiagnosed, had a missed diagnosis, and had delays of care lasting months," he says. "My records have been lost, changed, split and mismanaged." He has experienced firsthand the same "slow-walking" of care that millions of other VA patients have encountered and scores have died from -- a systemic modus operandi of "lie, delay, deny."
The vet gets a catch in his voice as he relates a horrible anecdote. After refusing to return to the Coatesville facility and seeking treatment at another VA clinic one day, he became nauseous. Instead of allowing him to lie down on a gurney, a nurse made him vomit outside so he wouldn't soil the bed. He believes the office was open not to treat patients, but as a front for nurses to pick up extra shifts. He has encountered similar degrading and condescending treatment across the VA system.
When he appealed for help and advocacy within the system, the veteran was met with a stone wall of "Not My Job"-ism. Through denials of care, contraindicated medications, repeated mistakes and delays of pharmacy items, he endured callousness, humiliation and stigmatization. "When I get angry, they call me 'crazy.'" Classic blame-the-victim tactics from the VA abusers.
Big Government politicians want to throw more funding at the VA, as usual. The veteran offers a scathing reality check: "There is ample money to address the needs of American veterans," he says. "The problem is far deeper and more dangerous than just secret waiting lists. The VA almost killed me; my health is worse now than it was when I entered care; my quality of life and living conditions have been nothing short of horrific as I have waited years for adjudication of my benefits case, which in the end was botched."
Again, the vet refuses to candy-coat the roots of the festering VA scandal: "The problem is not just waiting lists. It is utter fraudulent expenditure of enormous budgets, not on veterans, but on overpaid lazy, surly civilian employees that often make it clear that a) they do not like veterans and b) that the veteran is actually a nuisance. The problem is endemic, at every level, in the VA. The unfortunate fact of the matter is this: Veterans have become incidental to the process at the VA."
The system is "an enormous cash cow, warehousing tens of thousands of overpaid employees" who "keep the gravy-train rolling." The vet has a plea on behalf of all of his brothers and sisters who are drowning in the VA's "lie, delay, deny" abyss:
"Please, don't let this die."
CORRECTION: In last week's column, I erroneously stated that ProgressNow was responsible for an attack ad against Colorado GOP gubernatorial candidate Tom Tancredo. The ad was sponsored by Protect Colorado Values, a separate Democrat-linked outfit.
Moslem Obama helps some armies. Just not that of the USA.
al Qaeda for example.
They get GREAT health care. Immediate.
Then they are released to Qatar for daily massages
even if they are al Qaeda Generals.
This makes me sick to my stomach. Are we a nation of selfish, Godless, apathetic, corrupt, ignorant, a$$holes? Based on what I read/hear on the news everyday including commentary like from this poor vet, combined with personal interactions in my daily life I would say, for the most part, yes.
Can someone make it stop cause I wanna get off this ride.
$1.4 million settlement? Tort Reform Now!
Seriously! The VA guy on the right could be looking at a porn site while "helping" the VET on the left.
Quick follow-up: I don’t think that the VA representatives are a collection of lazy ne’re-do-wells that look at porn all day. What i observed in the photo was service group that has erected walls between what they provide and the people they provide that to.
The VA-Rep on the right is likely a very conscientious gummint employee looking to help as many US heroes as possible. The problem rises from the appearance.
GOP, big business and conservatives freak out when leftwing Dems take power and screw with the country??!!! How can this happen??!!!! Who do we blame?!!!! Try big business. When big business make profit decisions that destroy jobs in the US and the GOP brought off with campaign donations remain silent, how can one be surprise when the unemployed turn to the Dems who promise them redistribution of wealth?? Bank bailouts, flirting with corporate desire to increase H-1B, supporting off shoring of jobs to China and India, result permanent unemployment/under employment of middle class America. Trend began before Obama took power, but it intensified as Obama added to the misery with higher taxes, and regs plus Obamacare. Brat kicked Cantor’s butt because of job related issues due to Obamacare, illegal immigration and expanding H-1B workers at the expense of American workers, as well as giving everything to Wall Street and sending the bill/job losses to the taxpayers on Main Street. If the Tea Party cannot convince the GOP and corporate America to change, then the voters will turn to OWS who will employ violence and intimidation to the offending rich. Face reform or face violence. Every nation except the US faced a workers revolt, the ruling class in this country better brush up on these histories. Good decision they survive, bad decision they and their family will be hung from lamp posts. That is my 2 cents and prediction.
Oh and let us not forget all the blacks the VA employees that can't spell cat if you spot them the c and the a. But boy are they snotty if you need to ask them to clean up. (WHICH IS THEIR DAMN JOB). 16.00 plus an hour btw.
“Are we a nation of selfish, Godless, apathetic, corrupt, ignorant, a$$holes?”
Yes. Like you mentioned, just look at your own personal interactions in life: many, if not most, “people” are first class a**holes. We can shield or insolate ourselves only so much: at some point, we have to interact with “them” at some level.
The older I get (and I’m not “old”), the less I like most people or being around them. And it seems like the rate of decline is increasing rapidly.
It really hits you just how gone it is here when you travel and come back. I see why most of the world hates Americans.
Barring extremely radical “solutions”, I don’t see any hope on the horizon.
I agree, there are days when it takes all I have to not snap and just start hitting people! Fat, smug, stupid, arrogant @$$holes!
My guess is that you did your FEDzilla work in a large urban area or a State Capital.
Act #1 of the Cletus Presidency: Recall and eliminate the Federal Executive-branch presence in the several States. No State offices or personnel related to the Executive Branch of Federal Government will continue in any single State. This action will preserve the autonomy of the member State and stay true to the intent of the Third Amendment to the Constitution.
A VA doctor questioned us about our satisfaction with VA.
That's an accurate analogy. The VA healthcare system is what Obamacare will look like in full bloom as a government owned and operated single payer system.
You and me both. There’s only so much “take a deep breath, hold and exhale” you can do.
Have you noticed everyone has the “I’m right!” mentality? Everybody’s right.
So then, no one’s wrong?
If you ask most people that know me, they’ll tell you I’m fairly laid back, which I agree with. But, when stupid, smug ‘tards cross me, my first response is to go Hiroshima. I have no patience for G-D fools or their actions.
Sadly, there are thousands who aspire to that ethic so they can say, “I gotsme a job with the gummint”.
Those we call “low information voters”.
Vets have long ago outlived their usefulness to agenda-driven socialists/totalitarians. Witness the VA. (consider how many better options could be available)
I do not and need not explain everything to this little retard raised by his single mommy who let the little jerk tell her what to do. I am not having it! But the little genius can't remember to turn off a couple of monitors and which trash cans to set out for the cleaning crew!
What was that movie where Kevin Spacey was it? Just went off and started shooting people? I am close!
I can feel your negative energy thru the computer. Try (yeah, I know...), try to refocus the sh*t into something positive, or at least less sh*tty.
Welcome to modern Amerika.
Military Waste and Fraud Continue In the Middle of the Government Shutdown HERE IS YOUR PROBLEM : PALM GREASING
THIS IS THE NEXT SCANDAL to hit, it will not be apparent for several months, as we are still working on the first batch of 90 day scripts. Very cumbersome procedure. 2 wks for a ES fill or refill. Base if it has your meds will fill withing 24 hrs, but refills come out of Pensacola, FL for the TN area. 5 days for refills.
Tricare Life (Ret Military over 65) NO CHOICE BUT TO COMPLY. Only exception is a antibiotic, a 1 time script, or pain med for surgery. Other wise you pick up 100% of cost of your Daily Meds. 4/14/2014!
DOD MANDATE is forcing us to use either Base whose drugs are limited by size of base and is not wheel chair or handicap friendly or Express Scripts MANDATED Tricare Life. 4/14/14. Express Scripts is a sorry excuse of a provider. You never know if your order is right, what generic, what manufacture, they will over ride a DAW script at their whim or what country. All stuffed into your mail box UN PHOTO ID SIGNED FOR, making them available to thieves and meth makers to steal. Or Neighborhood kids to access.
READ THE COMMENTS BEFORE YOU DECIDE TO ALLOW THEM ACCESS TO YOUR BANK OR CREDIT CARD INFO.
Express Scripts Accused Of Defrauding State And Consumers Out Of Millions Of Dollars
NY attorney general sues Express Scripts, Benefits firm accused of inflating prices, keeping up to $100 Million
Express Scripts Extortion Scheme Widens
Express Scripts complaints
ES Customer Service ranking
Express Scripts RIP OFF
ES buys out Medco
Senior Vets should be shot
1. You can’t fire anybody, no matter how much harm they cause.
2. All you can do is add to staff when able.
What could possible go wrong?
I’d put the tard to sweeping floors all day.
I raised 2 boys by myself, after walking out on their abusive dad for a decade. I ruled. No kid was ruling me. Both are hard working Men today. Just wish I’d had the means to send them for higher ed. No pell grants back then. My youngest hated school, is a hands on learner. But he learns, and does a good job. Constantly complaining about the lazy dem minorities who do less than half the work he puts out and most of it badly done. He can build you a metal cabinet in just a couple of hrs start to finish, not sloppy either. Only thing he doesn’t do is the paint jobs.
I could just strangle this kid. Someone needed to kick this kids’ butt. He’s going to find out if he don’t knock it off! I am trying to not snap. If I had to look at the fat little know it all every day I would have snapped already. But he comes in as relief two days and works weekends.
Ultimately one’s work must be offered to the Lord. If it is offered to the god of self congratulation ultimately that god will stumble some day.
There is an extremely effective radical solution but it requires we all set aside our pride. It is spelled as accepting the Holy Spirit of God given by the Lord on account of what Christ Jesus has done. No government can do it. Nobody can force you to do it against your will. It must be chosen. And no it is not "follow a list of rules." You believe in the ten commandments? Good. What are you calling on Christ to do in your life?
Good points. We’re seeing the effects of having God stripped from public discourse.
And He’s well aware of who’s turning their backs on Him. And there will be Hell to pay. The current state of “society” being a small taste of what’s to come.
And even more, from private recognition. Even people who are believers are yielding to pressure to be nominal about it. Whatever short term gains that gets, the long term result is tragedy.
People are damning themselves for eternity. How else can you look at it?
By damning God out of their lives, they leave themselves without any other choice than a life full of hell.
Or if believers, they are weak about it; they do not appreciate the power that can be had in the name of the Lord to bring goodness to humanity. In one sense, liberals are right to be wishing well to all humanity... but they are looking to the quintessentially wrong source to effect it.
They’re always pressuring me to switch my husband to Express Scripts, “for convenience.” He has multiple health issues, so he has about 18-20 different prescriptions, which are continually changed by his various doctors. I keep track of them in a spreadsheet. I cannot imagine the nightmare of trying manage his prescriptions through the mail.
The same could be said about the entire federal government and most state governments. With unions it is even worse as they are totally in the bag for the Democrats who want to keep the system rolling as it is and make it even bigger and more bloated and they have the unbridled power to do so. One feeds off the other.
It's worse than a leech colony unleashed in a blood bank.
“...Are we a nation of selfish, Godless, apathetic, corrupt, ignorant, a$$holes?...” and “...I see why most of the world hates Americans....”
Hmmm... I’d say No. Not a “Nation of”.... But - the Hollywood face, the television face, the media face that the worlds sees, yes. And invariably, I’d say it’s the liberal face that they see, since they dominate those venues.
I’ve not traveled the world; but I’ve been around many parts of this country, and one constant I’ve noticed.
Most people just want to be left the hell alone. Most people just want to live their lives, pursuing their own life, liberty and happiness, without interfering with other folks rights to do same, and they want as little governmental interference as possible - from ALL levels of government (local, county, state, federal).
I believe that this is part of our human nature, and applies to most people in other countries too. They love their children, weep when they lose a loved one, struggle to pay the bills, are concerned about keeping the electricity and water running and food stocked up. They cry when their dog dies, laugh at a good dirty joke, they’re happy when the daughter or son gets married, they love good food and a fine beer or wine, and they celebrate the birth of a grandson or granddaughter...
And they bitterly resent when some one - ANYONE - messes with any of those things and tries to tell them HOW to live, WHAT to think, WHAT to believe, what they can and can’t own, think, feel, love, hate, say, do, etc.
And the other constant is that no matter what city, state, country you’re in, there’s always a small group of complete and utter assh*les determined to MESS with ALL of those things you love and hold dear, and invariably, they are drawn to power and the means to wield it. And they do.
How different is your average Iraqi father and mother, wanting the best for their children, from a father and mother in West Virginia or Pittsburgh PA, wanting the same thing?
Or an elderly retiree in France or Macedonia waiting on his or her pension check, trying to keep warm in the winter and cool in the summer from the same in Cleveland Ohio?
We’re all held hostage by lunatics, ultimately. I’ve always said that ALL governments suck; ours just sucked a little less than others for a lot longer. It was only a matter of time until that same psychotic ideology got control of ours.
I’ve worked with people from all over the world over the course of my life - Vietnamese, Laotian, Polish, German, Rumanian, Estonians, Ukrainians, Russians... EVERYONE of them just wanted to be left the hell alone to live and have a chance to be the success - or the failure -that they have the right to be.
So no, we’re not a “Nation of...” but we have a GROUP OF people who are, as every country does, and they are a miserable waste of oxygen, life, and deserve nothing but contempt for the misery and conflict they create for everyone else. And they need to be resisted and fought by every means necessary until the knock it the hell off.
Some day, people will wake up and push back. All over the world. And make those miserable creeps who won’t leave them alone wish they had...
Naive? Yeah... maybe. But it doesn’t change the way I see it.
My two cents, anyway.
You’re good! You’re good! Amen.
Not a Nation of....yet. But it’s getting there and this POTUS is accelerating it. Real Americans see this.
“Most people just want to be left the hell alone.” AMEN! But, like I posted earlier, “they” exist and have to be dealt with - they can’t just STFU and keep to themselves. You can only isolate yourself so much and then it becomes: “Why TF should I shut up? THEY’RE wrong!”
“Some day, people will wake up and push back.” Since “they” are pretty much in control of everything and there’s no way “they” will relinquish power, it going to have to be taken away. And we’ve seen proven ways how to do it. And that’s the type of grotesque, but effective effort it’s going to take to defeat “them” permanently.
America is worth it. To me, the end would justify the means.
“...Real Americans see this...”
More and more every day. And that is a good thing.
“...they exist and have to be dealt with -..”
And in the grand, immutable scheme of karma and nature, they will be. It’s inevitable. Life is a wheel. Goes round, comes round. The ironic thing is, it’s BECAUSE they are who they are that it will.
“...America is worth it. ..”
Same page, brother.
IF you are not TRICARE LIFE it does not apply to you. BUT if you are it is a DOD MANDATE! With that many meds having to pay 100% for them would wipe out your income.
We deal with about that many between the 2 of us. All of mine I can get at the base. Only 2 of his has to come from ES. They just stuff $600 3 months of Whelcol in our mailbox. But the one from my Gastro is about due, I called them for a paper script to be mailed to me. ES does not have me in the system yet. And the base does not carry Linzess which is a fairly new drug.
My stuff changes too, I an allergic to so many, I see a ENDO, GASTRO and the PCP. I have 1 script each from the specialist. The ENDO I see more often, as I am hypothyroid. And I have to watch what meds I take as the interfere with the Synthroid. That is a DAW name brand. I have NO guarantee, that even base reorders will be DAW name brand. But at least I can inspect and refuse those. My script is still good at my private pharmacy if I run into that. When I see the ENDO I will have to get a new one to have on file at the private pharmacy. Might have to pay full price for it, but I am allergic to the generic.
Biggest way to get rid of him is CUT his hours to 1 day or 4 hrs a week cleaning toilets. He will soon find greener pastures. Others will have to pick up the slack until you can make it happen.
What ever you do don’t touch him, you will be the one in trouble behind bars, while the turd is smirking.
I’ve worked with turds like that. So does my youngest. But he is not boss and they can’t fire minorities easy. They just don’t get a good pay raise, while Chris will get the $2 raise.
He’ll move on. He wants to be a fire fighter, the problem is he will need to lose 100 pounds before that happens. :)
On target. My working days are done, thank GOD. Now I can do the little stuff I do for the Lord and my family. Health stops a lot of stuff, but when I have a good day, I do try and get something accomplished, even if it is just Pocket Prayer quilts, I use as witness cards. Made a 100 for the pastor when he does hospital visits. Or calls on new people. More personal than a business card. They have a note card with a prayer and the church’s address.
You’re still working... differently.
Your experience has been mine as well GOPster. My mother for instance believes that most people are inherently good, she’s never had an enemy in her whole 67 years, But she does admit they are getting worse as time goes by...I, on the other hand have not had such good interactions with other people. From the time I was young. Heck, an example I can relate that popped into my mind...When I was a relatively new driver at 18 I was going down the road and must have cut this guy off or something...I don’t even know what it was...but as he drove past he called me a “F’ing C**t” thing is I recognized him from the church I had gone to with my parents up until a year prior. At another point some guy rear-ended me and got out of his car angry and calling me all kinds of names. My father even went to the police station to complain and it turns out the guy was a fireman in town. Last year there was an incident where I and a guy were both at fault, I turned my car around to apologize to him for my part in it, he ignored me and made threatening motions, proceeded to get my plate and called the cops (one of who came into the building I was at, and he LIED to them, not admitting his part, stating that I screamed at him and HE felt threatened.
I do not trust people. Too many have wronged me. Too many I’ve encountered have been liars, vindictive, mean, or plain crazy.
There you go: Multiple examples of societal decay.
And isn’t not going to get better. Brace yourself as much as you can and avoid dealings with “them” as much as you can.
And remember those that have wronged you.
“Revenge is a dish best served cold.”
Yeah, and I like it, I can do things at my pace. Which for the past 3 yrs has been snail slow, with to many days and nights spent in the recliner in pain. I have Meniere’s and fall easy. Bruised my entire AB wall and ribs, so that pain has been slow to heal. Then the back from Hades to add to it along with some other crap that they can only treat symptoms, and the drugs are worse than the symptoms.
But did stumble on to a great Osteoarthritis NSAID, I pay for it as ES will only do a 1 time 5 day 20 pill script. I have a feeling it got the black box FDA because it is fairly cheap when compared to the pricey OA drugs. $40 per 60 tabs 10 mg Toredol generic version I take i AM/PM I can now walk the grocery store instead of using one of those stupidly built electric carts.
I can buy the IV level being hard on veins. But that little 10 mg is a wonder drug. I’ve reacted bad to all OA drugs. No reactions to this one and I react to a lot of meds. OA pain in hips, shoulder are gone, back is down 75% in just 2.5 weeks. Still have the spine damage that only surgery will fix, and with my DX score that ain’t gonna happen.
Type 2 diabetic diet does wonders for weight loss, and cholesterol lowering, just ditch the high sugar fruits.
If he is not willing to work hard for you, he won’t as a fire fighter either. Health issues will start to set in real soon if he is that much over weight. To much time eating, tv, vid games, not enough physical activity.
I have to count every calorie as I am not able to be very physical, to much un fixable spine damage.