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Regulators to Force the Metric System on Natural Gas Fuel Customers
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Posted on 06/18/2014 9:44:21 AM PDT by shove_it

Utilization of natural gas as a motor fuel has been steadily increasing since new domestic production of this natural resource began in the mid-2000s. It has provided businesses with a cheaper and cleaner way to operate their vehicle fleets. Additionally, elected policymakers have supported adoption of natural gas motor fuel as a strategy to achieve energy independence.

Unfortunately, just as natural gas is starting to penetrate the commuter vehicle market, regulators are making a hard push to force consumers to purchase natural gas motor fuel in kilograms. The National Conference of Weights and Measures (NCWM), which is comprised of state weights and measures officials, is attempting to pass this new regulation at their annual meeting in mid-July.

Consumers, elected officials, industry stakeholders and the market place have built a consensus around gallon equivalents as the method of sale. Click on your state below to send an email to your governor and state weights and measures official to let them know you support gallon equivalents (live links at the article).


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: energy; natgas; naturalgas

1 posted on 06/18/2014 9:44:21 AM PDT by shove_it
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To: shove_it

They’ll change the monetary system and measuring system to avoid letting people catch onto price hikes.


2 posted on 06/18/2014 9:46:29 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: shove_it

Seems reasonable, but I’m always nervous when T. Boone is lobbying.....


3 posted on 06/18/2014 9:48:56 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: a fool in paradise

Exactly! I believe they sell gas by the liter in Europe.

That way you can raise the price and it still seems low.

$1.50 per liter sounds cheap. Then you realize that’s about $6.00 per gallon.


4 posted on 06/18/2014 10:00:31 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: DoughtyOne

A better way to sell natural gas would be by the energy content, so much per kilocalorie (a term directly translatable to BTU’s, which nobody understands either). Compressed natural gas does not come in “gallons” or “liters” but for a given quantity of fuel by weight, contains a given number of BTU’s or kilocalories.

And this is what provides the total energy needed to propel a vehicle down the road.


5 posted on 06/18/2014 10:08:50 AM PDT by alloysteel (Selective and willful ignorance spells doom, to both victim and perpetrator - mostly the perp.)
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To: shove_it

Why should this be a problem? The metric system is used everywhere in the world except the US and few obscure, economically unimportant backwaters. The time to begin most easily is before natural-gas cars are common.

There is nothing sacred about the old customary units. The important thing about a unit-system is, are the units standardized, and do they help with communication. Obviously, the metric system is the best for international communication, and it is the standard worldwide in science.

As far as the difficulty of learning it, anyone who has trouble understanding the metric system might as well give up on education at the start. But just to make things even easier, here is a short tip.

For temperature: don’t go memorizing conversion formulas. Just remember that 0°C is freezing, and 20°C is room temperature. If you wish, you can also add 37°C is normal human body temperature. If you know those three, whenever you hear any weather-temperature in Celsius, simply relate it to those three: 0, 20, 37.

A kilogram is about 2.2 pounds. But it is better to just get a kilogram weight, heft it, and use that as your standard. Nobody sees a kg (or a cu ft) of gas anyway, because it is in a tank or a pipe. The mass of gas (kg) is more important than its volume. You really pay for it by mass, so why state the quantity in cu. ft. (which must be specified at temperature and pressure, which changes the volume of a gas)?

Measuring gas by mass (in kg) would be the way chemists would most often do things.


6 posted on 06/18/2014 10:15:58 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: alloysteel

BTU is not a metric unit, but a clumsy engineer’s archaicism. Nor is a kilocalorie a true metric unit, but a metric-derived unit which has the additional disadvantage that there is nomenclatural confusing over the term.

The metric unit of energy is the Joule. To use the Joule in commerce would be a problem, because all the mechanisms for dispensing the fuel would have to sense the energy content, which surely is impractical. It is better simply to adjust the price according to the energy content of the fuel, just as we have different prices for Regular and High Test gasoline.


7 posted on 06/18/2014 10:27:08 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: DoughtyOne

”Exactly! I believe they sell gas by the liter in Europe.

That way you can raise the price and it still seems low.

$1.50 per liter sounds cheap. Then you realize that’s about $6.00 per gallon.”

You mean that is enough to fool you? I can tell you that whatever system you use, most people can tell when the price goes up. It takes about a day to get use to fuel prices in liters, even if they are in Euros.


8 posted on 06/18/2014 10:30:43 AM PDT by docbnj
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To: alloysteel

I think your point is reasoned. I realize the vapor vs fluid part of it does present a need to reference it differently.


9 posted on 06/18/2014 10:37:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: docbnj

I believe they are paying between $6.00 to $8.00 per gallon in Europe right now. For all the figuring, something sure isn’t working out very good for them.


10 posted on 06/18/2014 10:39:36 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: shove_it

There are three countries in the entire world that do not use the metric system - Liberia, Myanmar, and the U.S.


11 posted on 06/18/2014 10:40:06 AM PDT by Lower Deck
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To: docbnj
For temperature: don’t go memorizing conversion formulas. Just remember that 0°C is freezing, and 20°C is room temperature. If you wish, you can also add 37°C is normal human body temperature.

Easy enough to add 100°C is the boiling point of water. Also a quickie conversion is: 28°C = 82°F.

12 posted on 06/18/2014 10:41:05 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: shove_it

Heck, I nearly doubled my MPG when I switched to kilometers.........


13 posted on 06/18/2014 10:47:51 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: Organic Panic

Yep, and there’s more - I was in Canada recently and it was 25 degrees out and I didn’t feel cold! Think of how much energy costs we’d save if we switched to Celsius.


14 posted on 06/18/2014 10:51:17 AM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: DoughtyOne; Lower Deck; All

Transportation fuels (Gasoline and Diesel) are measured in gallons. What is the motivation for measuring natgas in units other than gallon equivalents?

Fifteen states already indicated their support for natural gas gallon equivalents:

Arkansas
California
Colorado
Florida
Georgia
Indiana
Massachusetts
Nevada
New Mexico
North Carolina
Oklahoma
Pennsylvania
South Dakota
Tennessee
Virginia

The rest of the the states have NOT indicated support for natural gas gallon equivalents. If you oppose regulators forcing the metric system on natural gas motor fuel equivalents, click on your state for a sample letter to your governor requesting his/her support.


15 posted on 06/18/2014 11:05:36 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: shove_it

Global investors want weights and measures standardized and have been influencing (and even suing) governments for a long time. They pretend to be on the side of consumers. Let them weed out the remaining complications and further become morons.


16 posted on 06/18/2014 11:11:39 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: shove_it

Thank you Shove-It.

It would seem less confusing to sell natural gas by the same measure. I will admit to not fully understanding how you parcel off a gas by the same metric you do a liquid.


17 posted on 06/18/2014 11:13:50 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: shove_it

take the entire metric system and shove it up your backside!


18 posted on 06/18/2014 11:16:43 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: docbnj

Go to hell!

Better yet move your sorry ass to Europe!


19 posted on 06/18/2014 11:18:58 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: shove_it
The natural gas fuel infrastructure is being built for freight trucks, BTW. Pickens has been promoting it for a while, and it appears to be happening. Consider again, as to who would want common measures for the world market.

Chinese Company Is Quietly Building Natural Gas Fueling Stations Across The US

China's Building U.S. Natural Gas Infrastructure

About a decade or so back, the Iranian government declared that vehicles in Iran would be made capable of running on natural gas.


20 posted on 06/18/2014 11:23:00 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: docbnj

We do not want to know our heights in centimeters. But go ahead, while we further decrease consumption and watch the defaults happen. We’ll fix the problems, when manipulative morons are through playing.


21 posted on 06/18/2014 11:30:36 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: DoughtyOne; All

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gasoline_gallon_equivalent


22 posted on 06/18/2014 11:39:15 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: familyop

Thanks for posting those articles. I had not seen them.


23 posted on 06/18/2014 11:41:05 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: docbnj; alloysteel
"BTU is not a metric unit, but a clumsy engineer’s archaicism."

It's still the thermal standard in English language metric nations.

"The metric unit of energy is the Joule."

Not for thermal. Like it or not, solar hydronic, drainback heating system installations will increase with or without anti-competition regulations pushed by one-world morons. They can't successfully see and regulate against everything. They can't even get close to doing so without going too far and falling down.

For all others reading this, the BTU is the unit used to measure energy used to heat or cool water (or energy supplied by water heating or cooling) in degrees, Fahrenheit.

Stuff the fuels vended to slaves by anti-American globetrotters. There are all kinds of fuels.


24 posted on 06/18/2014 11:49:10 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: shove_it
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25 posted on 06/18/2014 11:53:20 AM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: shove_it

Thank you. I appreciate the link.


26 posted on 06/18/2014 11:55:44 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: shove_it
I apologize for getting off-topic, and thank you for the link to information on gasoline gallon equivalents. Adding gasoline gallon equivalents for natural gas and other fuels would be fine.


27 posted on 06/18/2014 12:08:44 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: familyop

It’s kinda hard for me to get my head around a gallon of electricity. It reminds me of my mess sergeant many moons ago sending rookie privates on a fools errand over to Charlie Co. mess hall for a bucket of steam.


28 posted on 06/18/2014 12:34:15 PM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: DoughtyOne
Exactly! I believe they sell gas by the liter in Europe.

In Thailand, too. When I was stationed there, one day one of my tasks was to measure the fuel consumption of a stationary gasoline engine. I asked my Thai assistant to go buy a gallon can, intending to see how long the engine would take to use it up. He returned with a one-liter can, saying it was illegal to sell gallon cans. Of course, that served just as well, and took me less time to make the measurement.

29 posted on 06/18/2014 7:37:50 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra
For temperatures in the range we normally encounter, this rule of thumb works well: multiply Celsius by 2 and add 30 to get Fahrenheit. Or, subtract 30 from Fahrenheit and divide by 2 to get Celsius.
30 posted on 06/18/2014 7:41:41 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: docbnj

Sell the way they sell now. By the Therm.
Since the heat capacity of natural gas varies with the chemical composition, all sellers must comply as in master meter operators.


31 posted on 06/18/2014 7:43:49 PM PDT by Cvengr (Adversity in life and death is inevitable. Thru faith in Christ, stress is optional.)
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To: JoeFromSidney

Thanks for the mention JoeFromSidney.

In a way, you lucked out there. Good to know.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 12:27:25 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: TangoLimaSierra
And I've always had an intellectual attachment to a temperature of -40°C.
33 posted on 06/19/2014 3:33:12 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: shove_it
What is the motivation for measuring natgas in units other than gallon equivalents?

For liquified natural gas, you can use gallons. For compressed natural gas, you need some unit of weight.

34 posted on 06/19/2014 3:44:43 AM PDT by PapaBear3625 (You don't notice it's a police state until the police come for you.)
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To: shove_it

Mass is the most accurate way to measure a quantity of a substance.


35 posted on 06/19/2014 3:54:31 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: TangoLimaSierra
And -40°C = -40°F
36 posted on 06/19/2014 4:01:02 AM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class.)
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To: dalereed
take the entire metric system and shove it up your backside!

You have difficulty calculating with the number 10, multiples of ten, and tenths?

37 posted on 06/19/2014 4:06:10 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (June IS "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: dalereed

Really?

It’s a metric world...has been for decades.

Maybe that’s why we have no manufacturing, the world doesn’t want to buy weird products made with our oddball measuring system’s nuts and bolts.

In fact, I’ll bet you barely can work American measurement and weight standards yourself.


39 posted on 06/19/2014 5:48:45 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (June IS "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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