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U.S. healthcare system ranking revealed and compared internationally, it isnít good
Science Recorder ^ | 06/18/2014 | James Fluere

Posted on 06/18/2014 10:01:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

If you could pick any healthcare system in the world, it probably wouldn’t be the U.S.’s. According to a new report from The Commonwealth Fund, titled “Mirror, Mirror on the Wall, 2014 Update: How the U.S. Health Care System Compares Internationally,” the U.S healthcare system is the most costly in the world, but it ranks poorly compared to other countries on most measures of performance.

Among the 11 nations assessed by The Commonwealth Fund — Australia, Canada, France, Germany, the Netherlands, New Zealand, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, the UK and the U.S. — the U.S. ranks last, as it did in four previous editions of the report. In this edition of the report, the UK ranks first, followed closely by Switzerland.

Unlike the U.S., five other nations in this report ensure the accessibility of care through universal health systems. Obamacare is increasing the number of Americans with coverage and enhancing access to care, but the data in this report are from years prior to the full implementation of the law.

The report also reveals that the U.S. ranks behind most countries on many measures of health outcomes, quality and efficiency. Other countries have spearheaded the adoption of modern health information systems, but U.S. doctors and hospitals are catching up as they react to major monetary incentives to switch to new health information technology systems.

Although all countries show the need for improvement, the report notes that the other 10 countries spend much less on healthcare per person and as a percent of gross domestic product than does the U.S.

Image credit: The Commonwealth Fund


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: 0carenightmare; healthcare; healthcarelist; healthcarerank; obamacare; ranking

1 posted on 06/18/2014 10:01:10 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Of the report's criteria, "access" and "equity" are thinly-veiled socialism - while "healthy lives" depends much less on the medical system than om individual choices, which too many Americans make poorly while assuming it's someone else's responsibility to clean up the mess.
2 posted on 06/18/2014 10:02:36 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Disaggregate the results to find that we are merely insufficiently socialist in their opinion.


3 posted on 06/18/2014 10:02:47 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Radicalized via the Internet)
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To: SeekAndFind

How many illegal Mexican aliens pour over the border into Switzerland?


4 posted on 06/18/2014 10:03:36 AM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: ConservingFreedom
From the COMMONWEALTH FUND's REPORT :

Major Findings

Summary and Implications

The U.S. ranks last of 11 nations overall. Findings in this report confirm many of those in the earlier four editions of Mirror, Mirror, with the U.S. still ranking last on indicators of efficiency, equity, and outcomes. The U.K. continues to demonstrate strong performance and ranked first overall, though lagging notably on health outcomes. Switzerland, which was included for the first time in this edition, ranked second overall. In the subcategories, the U.S. ranks higher on preventive care, and is strong on waiting times for specialist care, but weak on access to needed services and ability to obtain prompt attention from primary care physicians. Any attempt to assess the relative performance of countries has inherent limitations. These rankings summarize evidence on measures of high performance based on national mortality data and the perceptions and experiences of patients and physicians. They do not capture important dimensions of effectiveness or efficiency that might be obtained from medical records or administrative data. Patients’ and physicians’ assessments might be affected by their experiences and expectations, which could differ by country and culture.

5 posted on 06/18/2014 10:04:50 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Figures never lie, but liars figure.


6 posted on 06/18/2014 10:05:20 AM PDT by Nachum (Obamacare: It's. The. Flaw.)
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To: SeekAndFind
Like I said: Of the report's criteria, "access" and "equity" are thinly-veiled socialism - while "healthy lives" depends much less on the medical system than om individual choices, which too many Americans make poorly while assuming it's someone else's responsibility to clean up the mess.
7 posted on 06/18/2014 10:06:44 AM PDT by ConservingFreedom (A goverrnment strong enough to impose your standards is strong enough to ban them.)
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To: SeekAndFind

WOW. You would think there are bodies lining the streets stacked like fire wood. The fact is NO ONE is denied care, unless you are in the VA system.

This study just wants to point out that it’s not “free” here in the USA. And Obamacare does ZERO to fix the health care costs and expand coverage. All it did was expand coverage to expensive useless crony health insurance that is now required by force of law.

This study is the same as Eric Holder investigating the DOJ and concluding, “nothing to see here folks, everything is just great.”

The p


8 posted on 06/18/2014 10:10:08 AM PDT by Organic Panic
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To: SeekAndFind
As Mark Twain once said, there are three kinds of lies: lies, damnable lies, and statistics.

The truth is before the 1970's when the federal government began meddling into healthcare, our healthcare was affordable and the best in the world. It still is the best in the world, but as usual, government interference has created cost problems.

The answer, of course, is to nuke socialism, and let our healthcare (and the rest of our economy) be run by the voluntary the free market economy which will provide competitive prices and quality and maximum supply, easily the best in the world.

9 posted on 06/18/2014 10:11:40 AM PDT by PapaNew
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To: SeekAndFind

Another couple of years with Obamacare, and the US won’t make the chart. Mexico will bump us out.


10 posted on 06/18/2014 10:12:18 AM PDT by pallis
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To: SeekAndFind

The UK is rated #1, yet there are stories there every week of patients lying dead on gurneys for days in hospital hallways w/o anyone noticing, patients calling family for food & water, & patients in pain pulling their own teeth for lack of a timely appointment.

I have never heard of such poor treatment in the US.


11 posted on 06/18/2014 10:12:21 AM PDT by Mister Da (The mark of a wise man is not what he knows, but what he knows he doesn't know!)
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To: SeekAndFind

This report derives from a 2012 WHO report.

In much of Europe, a baby who dies before 3 days after birth is counted as “stillborn”. Think that might affect the numbers?

What is the cost for a hospital stay for a crack-addicted mother who arrives at the emergency room in labor in, say Saudi Arabia versus the US. Because KSAs’ numbers are better than the US for maternal mortality.

A crack-addicted woman arriving at a KSA hospital would undergo the application of either a sword decapitating her or in some cases an AK-47 bullet to the head. That’s free, or maybe 13 cents.

In the US, such a delivery could easily cost $1 million, including post-natal care. Because care cannot be refused.

Dozens and dozens of these types of factors affect the outcomes.


12 posted on 06/18/2014 10:13:44 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: SeekAndFind

Funny. Canadians with mondy pick the US.


13 posted on 06/18/2014 10:15:29 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: SeekAndFind

Total BS, Don;t get sick in the UK, or Norway. I experienced both and both are at least 20 years behind in tech. US, 1 day to get an MRI, Canada 21 days, UK months.

Of course the US is going down fast with all the gonvernment interference(example - tax on medical devices). thre is no service the government can provide that is better than the private sector. Reason: Private sector people have a choice. govermnet - no choice.

People who lead government are “Influencers” who get their ego satisfactionout of controlling other people - (Politicians, Lawyers(should be banned from government) Journalists, and many preachers.


14 posted on 06/18/2014 10:15:52 AM PDT by stubernx98 (cranky, but reasonable)
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To: SeekAndFind
For those of you who might be wondering what in the world is sciencerecorder.com...

The Editor-in-Chief of Sciencerecorder.com is an individual named "Kramer Phillips." Mr. Phillips does not have a Wiki page. I did find this, however:

Kramer Phillips is back ... this time as 'The Petri Dish'

PCMedia

8/24/12

Jim DraindownLevel 1

Feb 24

This thread needs updating.

Kramer Phillips has operated many sites for the purpose of spamming Google News science section, starting with the State Column:

http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!msg/news/3Ef3bpP9Z9k/cyF0Jq-HKWYJ

Then the Bunsen Burner:

http://productforums.google.com/forum/#!searchin/news/bunsen$20burner/news/99-fEdhiETc/hWKcUHR_kTAJ

And The Petri Dish etc etc. These days rather than republishing articles many times on one site, he operates several sites at once to give him more time in the spotlight. At the moment he's using:

thespacereporter.com
ScienceRecorder.com
natmonitor.com

And he's brought back the State Column but with a different address statecolumn.com

And no doubt even more sites soon.

Same as before he says he has a large staff of writers, most probably all of them are made up - they are the only journalists ever who have no Twitter accounts or blogs or websites . Every article has a large number of faked Facebook likes as soon as it is published - all the old Kramer tricks. To be fair his stuff is no worse than many of the semi-literate SEO sites you find on GN.

He's calling his two-man-band operation KPR Media these days. 0 0


15 posted on 06/18/2014 10:17:14 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: Steely Tom

Obama has a pen and a phone.

Kramer has a computer and fax machine.


16 posted on 06/18/2014 10:20:06 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: SeekAndFind

The biggest problem with our health care isn’t our healthcare, it’s our diet. Which sucks.

And the purported “healthy” diet that our public health practitioners have been pushing on us for the last forty years. Which is worse.

Damned-near everyone is sick, because there’s no profit in healthy people. And they’re sick from eating processed industrial food-like substances, because there’s no profit in real food.


17 posted on 06/18/2014 10:32:57 AM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege
The biggest problem with our health care isn’t our healthcare, it’s our diet. Which sucks.

And the purported “healthy” diet that our public health practitioners have been pushing on us for the last forty years. Which is worse.

Damned-near everyone is sick, because there’s no profit in healthy people. And they’re sick from eating processed industrial food-like substances, because there’s no profit in real food.

This is why the U.S. life expectancy was 71.96 years back in 1974 (forty years ago) and is now 78.64 years, right?

18 posted on 06/18/2014 10:42:06 AM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: cuban leaf

i’ve never had mondy... is it treatable?


19 posted on 06/18/2014 11:39:29 AM PDT by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world.)
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To: SeekAndFind

And ANYONE who thinks that health care is better in the UK hasn’t bothered to read any news from there. Even Canadians come across the border to get care because of their doctor shortages. What a joke piece of ‘research’


20 posted on 06/18/2014 11:41:58 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: teeman8r

i’ve never had mondy... is it treatable?


Sorry. I meant beeber.


21 posted on 06/18/2014 11:42:04 AM PDT by cuban leaf
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To: Uncle Miltie
Disaggregate the results to find that we are merely insufficiently socialist in their opinion.

*ding*! *ding*! *ding*!
22 posted on 06/18/2014 11:44:05 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: PapaNew
The truth is before the 1970's when the federal government began meddling into healthcare, our healthcare was affordable and the best in the world. It still is the best in the world, but as usual, government interference has created cost problems.

This x 100000000000 (just keep going)
23 posted on 06/18/2014 11:45:45 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 98ZJ USMC

I’ve been doing this so long I can debunk the headline without even reading the article.


24 posted on 06/18/2014 11:48:25 AM PDT by Uncle Miltie (Radicalized via the Internet)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll go to Japan before I’d ever remotely consider the UK


25 posted on 06/18/2014 12:48:44 PM PDT by reed13k (For evil to triumph it is only necessary for good men to do nothings)
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To: reed13k

RE: I’ll go to Japan before I’d ever remotely consider the UK

Funny they didn’t include Japan in the survey...


26 posted on 06/18/2014 12:54:00 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: teeman8r; cuban leaf
i’ve never had mondy... is it treatable?

Monday is treatable, with a bucket of coffee and a big ol' pile of doughnuts... It will not go away, but will make it much easier to bear. Unfortunately, it always reoccurs, and there is no real cure.

27 posted on 06/18/2014 1:59:13 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Steely Tom
This is why the U.S. life expectancy was 71.96 years back in 1974 (forty years ago) and is now 78.64 years, right?

We're not healthier, we're just sick for longer.


28 posted on 06/18/2014 3:24:31 PM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege
We're not healthier, we're just sick for longer.

Word play.

29 posted on 06/18/2014 3:39:56 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: jdege

From your source: “From 2006 to 2011, the number of new cases of diagnosed diabetes has shown no significant change.” Just goes to show that statistics can/are highly manipulated to get the desired result. Also, U.S. population is up over 20% 1995-2014 (so naturally more diabetes cases). http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/statistics/incidence/fig1.htm


30 posted on 06/18/2014 3:40:21 PM PDT by Drago
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To: Drago

US poulation is up 20% - cases of diabetes is up 400%.


31 posted on 06/18/2014 7:49:03 PM PDT by jdege
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To: Drago

US poulation is up 20% - cases of diabetes is up 400%.


32 posted on 06/18/2014 7:49:14 PM PDT by jdege
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To: jdege
I used 1995-2011 for the 20% pop. increase...according to the CDC new diabetes cases are up 98% over that time, and are currently declining. But I get your point, we may be in worse health in the last 10-20 years of life. It would require more study though....for example, middle age or younger people may have the highest incidence of diabetes. Also, diabetes rates track directly with obesity rates. Fit, lean seniors have other problems.

CDC Diabetes-New Cases http://www.cdc.gov/diabetes/statistics/incidence/fig1.htm

33 posted on 06/18/2014 8:34:08 PM PDT by Drago
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We’re seeing “adult-onset” diabetes show up in kids under the age of ten, which takes a couple of generations of poor dietary choices to make happen.

Look up Pottenger’s cats. Ignore the arguments about whether food should be cooked, or raw, or whatever. The critical point is that nutritional deficiencies are inherited. First generation of cats on a taurine-deficient diet suffered, second suffered more, third was either still-born or died before maturity or was sterile.

That’s exactly what has been going on with us, since the government started trying to convince everyone that a low-fat, high-carb diet, heavy on the processed foods that provide the manufacturers with the highest profits, is healthy.

Why have things gotten better, over the last few years, after so many years of getting worse? I’d say it’s because people are figuring out that the official dietary guidelines are absolute crap.

Try comparing that chart to margarine and butter sales. Margarine sales have been in a nose-dive since 1995, butter sales are at a forty-year high.

More and more people are figuring out these processed, industrial food-like substances are killing them, and that natural animal fats are essential to health.

In other words, things are getting better because more and more people have stopped listening to their doctors and the public health community on issues of nutrition.


34 posted on 06/19/2014 8:52:27 AM PDT by jdege
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