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Al-Qeada Historian Says: ISIS's Near-Term Goal Is "Vast War Inside Islam"
Slate ^ | 17 June 2014 | Ben Mathis-Lilley

Posted on 06/18/2014 4:26:24 PM PDT by rjbemsha

[This is] what ISIS would like to happen, in their ideal world. Their ideas on this front are derived from late "al-Qaida in Iraq" founder Abu Musab al-Zarqawi's thoughts on creating "a vast war inside Islam" that would ultimately eradicate all Shiites: ...for Zarqawi and his network, savagery—particularly when directed at other Muslims—was the whole point.

The break between ISIS and al-Qaida over the former's brutality is well-known; Wright's piece puts it in context of the two groups' views of history. Al-Qaida was fighting the West; ISIS is fighting Shiites, and a vengeance that goes back more than a thousand years—and seeks to replace all secular states with a unified religious rule—apparently requires even more gruesome methods.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Egypt; Foreign Affairs; Israel; News/Current Events; Russia; Syria
KEYWORDS: alqaida; egypt; iran; iraq; isis; islam; israel; jihad; lebanon; partisanmediashill; russia; slate; sowhatstheproblem; syria; wot

ISIS' black flag on a Catholic church in Syria.
1 posted on 06/18/2014 4:26:24 PM PDT by rjbemsha
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To: rjbemsha

Let them kill each other, then mop up the remains afterward.


2 posted on 06/18/2014 4:28:13 PM PDT by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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To: rjbemsha

We’re going to find out, sooner or later,
If Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.

(He won’t.)


3 posted on 06/18/2014 4:30:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bobo1

It can only be an improvement.


4 posted on 06/18/2014 4:30:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Travis McGee

I never really thought about it before but how do Sunni and Shia deal with Mecca? Do they go at different times or something?


5 posted on 06/18/2014 4:32:47 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: bobo1
"Let them kill each other, then mop up the remains afterward."

Why bother cleaning up the human debris?
The buzzards and other road kill feeders have to eat too.

6 posted on 06/18/2014 4:33:10 PM PDT by StormEye
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To: rjbemsha

Have at it.

I hope they kill each other...


7 posted on 06/18/2014 4:39:08 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: rjbemsha

Nothing wrong with that.


8 posted on 06/18/2014 4:42:01 PM PDT by Dallas59 ("Remember me as you pass by, As you are now, so once was I, As I am now, so you will be")
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To: cripplecreek

The physical possession of Mecca by the Sunnis really chaps Shiite hides, but what can they do? Possession of Mecca is one of the great sources of power for the possessors. All muslims, of either main flavor, must follow the 2 pillars of Islam just the same. That is, the 5X daily prayer to the black moon rock, and the haj done around the black moon rock at least once in a life if a muslim is able.

About 30 years ago, a gang of shiite commandos/terrorists tried to take it over, after posing as pilgrims. (A common muslim trick, along with dressing as a covered woman, or using ambulances to transport bombs. IOW, they have no shame or honor, and consider them, in fact, to be decadent infidel traits proving weakness.)


9 posted on 06/18/2014 4:46:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Didn’t the House of Saud hire the French Paras or Foreign Legion to go after these guys, because they didn’t want to have their own troops killing Shia and thus start the mother of all Muzz on Muzz battles, and didn’t the Paras or Legion end up using nerve gas to kill them all to avoid damaging the Holy Moon Rock and its surrounding structures during the firefight?


10 posted on 06/18/2014 4:52:07 PM PDT by hawkboy
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To: hawkboy

I don’t know. I did read the French paras had to sort it out, the rest I don’t know. But the shiites would sure like to be in charge of mecca. And you know what I think?

We’re going to find out, sooner or later,
If Abdul will pray, to a glowing crater.


11 posted on 06/18/2014 4:53:31 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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If i was president, I would have entire black ops teams whos soul job was committing atrocities and making it look like it was shia against sunni and vice versa. I would create so much tension and chaos that muslims would be able to concentrate on nothing else but revenge against the other sect


12 posted on 06/18/2014 4:55:03 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ. In the US the number is 54%i)
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To: hawkboy

yes and apparently they the French Paras also converted to Islam (for a day!) otherwise they were not allowed into Mecca. (Not accessible to non-muslims. i.e. normal people not consumed by the cult of death!)


13 posted on 06/18/2014 4:55:51 PM PDT by bubman
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To: rjbemsha
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14 posted on 06/18/2014 4:58:20 PM PDT by Zeneta (Thoughts in time and out of season.)
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To: StormEye

As long as there is not a lot left living for civilization to have to deal with.

Killing themselves into extinction would be the best outcome.


15 posted on 06/18/2014 5:02:42 PM PDT by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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To: rjbemsha
Bring it on...


16 posted on 06/18/2014 5:10:36 PM PDT by montag813
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To: Travis McGee

The Grand Mosque was seized in 1979 by Sunni Salafis who considered the Saudi royals to be decadent, corrupt and westernized, which is more or less accurate. IOW, they were Sunni Muslims even more extremist than the Wahhabis.

There are Five Pillars of Islam, not two:

Shahadah: declaring there is no god except God, and Muhammad is God’s Messenger

Salat: ritual prayer five times a day

Zakat: giving 2.5% of one’s savings to the poor and needy

Sawm: fasting and self-control during the blessed month of Ramadan

Hajj: pilgrimage to Mecca at least once in a lifetime if he/she is able to


17 posted on 06/18/2014 5:24:44 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: montag813

My sentiments exactly. Why all this handwringing?
Just sit back and enjoy watching these troglodites
kill each other. Muslim-on-Muslim violence is always in our best interest.


18 posted on 06/18/2014 6:05:08 PM PDT by huckfillary
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To: rjbemsha

There’s a bit more finesse than that. ISIS has been equipped with new vehicles and weapons, and the blitzkrieg-style effectiveness of their strategy indicates that some military professionals are backing them up.

The first of these are likely former officers of Saddam, whose entire purpose is to take over Iraq again, as a Sunni run nation with a majority that are Shiites. Importantly, Ba’athists are only marginally Muslim; their philosophy is more like that of a communist dictatorship.

While only marginally Muslim, they are Sunni Muslim, which means that Saudi Arabia will support them against Shiites.

This support would likely include funding and logistics, once again the answer to who is providing the vehicles and weapons.


19 posted on 06/18/2014 6:20:53 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: huckfillary

“Let them kill one-another.” That’s precisely why the US is cozying up to Shiite Iran. It’s the balance of power tactic, Sunnis against Shiites.


20 posted on 06/18/2014 6:21:57 PM PDT by rjbemsha
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To: hawkboy

That’s what the. Neutron bomb was for. It would kill the people but leave all of the structures intact. The radioactive fallout was short I. The neighborhood of 7 years before it was safe to enter. But the peanut farmer ended that weapons program...


21 posted on 06/18/2014 6:26:56 PM PDT by shotgun
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To: rjbemsha

Go after Iran, ISIS ... because Obama sure won’t do it!


22 posted on 06/18/2014 6:36:39 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: rjbemsha
"a vast war inside Islam"

Yep.

Ought to keep `em busy for years and years.

When one side is running a little behind we can do some night airdrops of 762x39.

Heck, we could keep the little fellers going for at least a decade...

Perhaps two?

.

23 posted on 06/18/2014 7:02:37 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: Travis McGee

“Foreign Enemies and Traitors” is really good.


24 posted on 06/18/2014 7:22:44 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: LS

Thanks.


25 posted on 06/19/2014 5:11:53 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Sherman Logan
I know all about the 5 pillars, I was only mentioning the 2 that depend on the existence of mecca, the ka'aba, and the black moon rock, assuming that FR readers are up to speed about the 2 and the 5.

The silver vulva with the black rock, this is what they pray to: allah's hard drive.


26 posted on 06/19/2014 5:14:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists]
[Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]

27 posted on 06/22/2014 2:10:43 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: hawkboy; Travis McGee; bubman; Sherman Logan

A handful (three? four?) of French ops guys were allowed into Mecca under diplomatic passports to do an assessment of the situation for the House of Saud. Ultimately the Saudi royals got the backing they needed from the Wahhab leadership (which is separate and independent, contrary to what is often said around here) through some concessions to the religious leadership, and sent in the Saudi armed forces. The “Mahdi” died picking up a grenade — he’d been picking up grenades and throwing them back, assured of his own invincibility — and the final firefights were in the catacombs which at that time still riddled the bedrock under the whole works. Since that time, almost all the catacombs have been filled in with concrete and aggregate (maybe by the bin Laden family, they have done a lot of recent construction in and around). Oh, and the US citizens (mostly black muzzies) who participated in the uprising and managed to survive were for the most part repatriated to the US.


28 posted on 06/22/2014 2:20:12 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: dsrtsage; bobo1; montag813; huckfillary; Star Traveler; TLI

/bingo


29 posted on 06/22/2014 2:21:21 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
A handful (three? four?) of French ops guys were allowed into Mecca under diplomatic passports to do an assessment of the situation for the House of Saud.

The identity of special ops guys involved seems to be in dispute. Some say French, some say Pakistani.

30 posted on 06/22/2014 2:45:13 PM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: Sherman Logan

It wouldn’t be surprising that Pakis were also involved, but the French were there.


31 posted on 06/22/2014 3:00:49 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: rjbemsha
"ISIS' black flag on a Catholic church in Syria."

That's Syria. This is the U.S.A. Here's some background information on what's really happening over there.

Ground to a Halt (Research shows: Suicide-bombers Communists, not Islamists
New York Times ^ | August 3, 2006 | ROBERT PAPE

Posted on Wed Aug 9 01:23:46 2006 by GodGunsGuts

...

In writing my book on suicide attackers, I had researchers scour Lebanese sources to collect martyr videos, pictures and testimonials and the biographies of the Hezbollah bombers. Of the 41, we identified the names, birth places and other personal data for 38. Shockingly, only eight were Islamic fundamentalists. Twenty-seven were from leftist political groups like the Lebanese Communist Party and the Arab Socialist Union. Three were Christians, including a female high-school teacher with a college degree. All were born in Lebanon.

...

Robert A. Pape, a professor of political science at the University of Chicago, is the author of “Dying to Win: The Strategic Logic of Suicide Terrorism.”



Iran is also communist, by the way (everything state-owned and much of it doled out to the families of clerics). I posted hundreds of articles on Iran and the need to take care of business there a long time ago, but anti-American, pecuniary, international socialist interests here threw trash in threads at nearly every article. Iran continues to build nuclear weapons.

On the Syrian-Lebanese-Iranian alliance.

Lebanon Is NOT Innocent (David Horowitz Slams The Lebanon “Innocent Bystander” Myth Alert)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1671142/posts

Here's some very related information about Lebanon for those acquainted with geography, sub-populations and sentiments in the area.

Maronites are the predominant Christian population in Lebanon.

Harb pledges to be forceful president [Maronite "ready to fight" Israel, "protect Hezbollah"]
Lebanese Lobby (Lebanon) ^ | 11SEP07 | Francis Matthew

Posted on Wed Sep 12 03:12:26 2007 by familyop

"Beirut: Boutros Harb, long-serving Maronite Lebanese Member of Parliament, is standing for president and reaching out to the Shiite Hezbollah, across the political divide in the country.

[...]

"I have proposed that the Lebanese army and government must be in control of declaring war, and that we should find a way to incorporate Hezbollah's forces into the army. But this has to be on the condition that the Lebanese government and army accept the full duty of being ready to fight and protect Hezbollah if Israel attacks," he said, adding that it was also important that Lebanon had to liberate the occupied territory of the Sheba'a Farms from Israel."



Lebanese leaders call for unity [All of them support the terrorists. ...always have.]
CNN International ^ | 20JUL06 | CNN
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1668991/posts

"The ship is sinking and all of us, the Lebanese, should stick together and work together to stop the Israeli aggression," Amin Gemayel, a Maronite Christian who served as president from 1982 to 1988, told the Arabic-language TV station Al-Jazeera . . . Michel Aoun, a one-time commander in Lebanon's 15-year civil war who now serves in parliament, said . . . "I don't think that Israel has the capability to destroy Hezbollah militarily because Hezbollah is not a group of armed men," Aoun said. "Hezbollah is a major part of the Lebanese social fabric."


Lebanon says army ready to fight [The truth about Lebanon.]
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1670344/posts

Aoun is also a Maronite Christian.


Lebanon Turns to the Vatican to Halt Israeli Offensive
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1668754/posts

Vatican Condemns Israel for Attacks on Lebanon
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1665678/posts


32 posted on 06/23/2014 3:07:11 PM PDT by familyop (We Baby Boomers are croaking in an avalanche of corruption smelled around the planet.)
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To: bobo1

Has a nice ring to it.


33 posted on 06/23/2014 3:57:18 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (End the occupation. Annex today.)
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To: Zeneta; SunkenCiv; Dog; gandalftb
Thanks for the important map.

This is what is driving ISIS:

The Holy Prophet Muhammad (saw) has prophesied about several events that will occur just before the advent of the Day of Judgment. Among these, Muhammad (saw) has foretold the return of Jesus (as), which will materialize when a one eyed claimant to divinity (Antichrist or Dajjal) will attempt to misguide the humanity into worshipping him. Messiah will descend from the heavens in Damascus, pray behind Imam Mahdi, pursue and kill the Antichrist, destroy the savage and unbelieving armies of Gog and Magog, and bring peace and brotherhood to the world. Christians will recognize the truth and accept him only as a Messenger of God; the religion of God (Islam) will justly rule the world.

There will be no oppression and no need to fight oppressors (war will be abolished) and no need to collect Jizyah (since there will be no non-Muslim people of the Book to collect this tax from). Every human being will be well-off and no one will accept charity. Messiah will perform Hajj (pilgrimage), marry, remain married for 19 years, beget children, and die after living on earth for 40 years. His death will signal the beginning of the last days.

The Holy Prophet (after making mention of the appearance of the Dajjal) said: “In the meantime, When the Muslims will be making preparations to fight him, will be lining up (for the Prayer) and the lqamah will have been pronounced, Jesus son of Mary shall descend and join them in the Prayer; and the enemy of Allah (Dajjal i.e. the Antichrist) on seeing him shall start dissolving like salt in water. If Jesus were to leave him alone, he would melt to death anyway, but Allah will have him killed at his hand, and he will show his blood on his spear to the Muslims (Muslim)”.

There are Ahadith about dajjal and his fitna. In one of those Ahadith, the Holy Prophet (PBHU) said that: “Whoever memorizes ten Ayaat from the beginning of Surah Al-Kahf, will be protected from the Dajjal.”

http://www.risingkashmir.com/middle-east-crisis-and-armageddon/

People can obviously be fooled into anything

34 posted on 07/08/2014 1:09:35 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: Cap Huff; nuconvert; Dog

An op-ed from our old newspaper Chitral News from our FATA days http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1155685/posts :

In a Friday sermon or a ‘tableeghi ijtima’, one may hear an hour long speech about the importance of offering five time prayers, fasting, going for pilgrimage, tableegh etc, and about vices like drinking alcohol, eating pork meat, personal appearance like keeping beard and dress code etc, but not a word would be uttered about the prohibition of financial corruption in Islam. If alcohol is prohibited in Islam so is bribery even more vehemently prohibited, but bribe takers/givers would be seen confidently sitting in the front row in a mosque eagerly listening to sermons against alcohol consumption.

Misplaced priorities with our preachers is the real reason for denigration of the Islamic image. The attribute of God almighty as the ‘most merciful’ is grossly malinterpreted to imply as if God would forgive all sins of Muslims including financial corruption and sins against humanity etc.

Frequently repeated ‘assurance’ to Muslims by preachers is that if a Muslim recited kalima tayyaba just once, eight million of his sins would be annulled as a reward, or if one goes for Haj (pilgrimage to Mecca) all previous sins would be washed away, are the real cause for corruption amongst Muslims, whether in Pakistan or elsewhere in the world.

Other religions, or even those who do not believe in any religion, do observe the universal ethics of honesty and therefore fare better in this regard. With Muslims, the religious preaching defines moral behaviour and if honesty is not the priority for a Muslim religious preacher how can the preacher’s disciples exercise honesty.
http://www.chitralnews.com/Editorial-%20Corruption%20Muslims-08%20July-2014.htm


35 posted on 07/08/2014 1:20:01 AM PDT by AdmSmith (GCTGATATGTCTATGATTACTCAT)
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To: rjbemsha
If we had a president who was a leader with balls...

...wait, we don't.

36 posted on 07/08/2014 1:53:06 AM PDT by Octar
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To: AdmSmith

Good post. Thanks.

How long before the writer has unfriendly visitors?


37 posted on 07/08/2014 9:21:52 AM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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