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Teatopia - What if Tea Partiers controlled Congress and Rand Paul (Cruz..) was president?
Slate ^ | June 18, 2014 | Reihan Salam

Posted on 06/19/2014 1:01:58 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife

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"...Deep divisions notwithstanding, there are a number of principles that unite the movement. The most important of them is a devotion to subsidiarity, which holds that power should rest as close to ordinary people as possible. In practice, this leads Tea Party conservatives to favor voluntary cooperation among free individuals over local government, local government over state government, and state government over the federal government. Teatopia would in some respects look much like our own America, only the contrasts would be heightened. California and New York, with their dense populations and liberal electorates, would have even bigger state governments that provide universal pre-K, a public option for health insurance, and generous funding for mass transit........

More conservative states, meanwhile, would compete to go furthest and fastest in abandoning industrial-era government. Traditional urban school districts would become charter districts, in which district officials would provide limited oversight while autonomous networks of charter schools would make the decisions about how schools are run day-to-day. Parents would be given K–12 spending accounts, which could be spent on the services provided by local public schools and on a range of other educational services, from online tutoring to apprenticeships designed to provide young people with marketable skills.....

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.....I have mixed feelings about Teatopia. There are aspects of it that I find very attractive. Yet there are other aspects that, as an old-school sentimental American nationalist, give me pause. What I can say is that the Tea Party movement does indeed have a distinctive vision, which will come into sharper focus in the years to come. The Tea Party is not some temporary aberration......It is a real movement, and as America grows more diverse, and as American politics grows more contentious, it will grow.

(Excerpt) Read more at slate.com ...


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Editorial; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 10thamendment; conservative; libertarian; teaparty
This column has received a lot of comments at Slate - the "Top Comment" is excerpted below (which conflates Libertarians, Social Conservatives, Economic Conservatives, Neocon - national greatness like Jeanne Kirkpatrick and Ronald Reagan, and Constitutional Conservatism).

Please read the entire column. I'd like to read your comments after you do. For example, does this author appear to favor a Libertarian Teatopia? If so, that raises some interesting points and some red flags.

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"Top Comment" at Slate (of over 1800):

"I'm not sure why anyone who claims not to be a teapartier would cherry-pick the least-offensive views of teapartiers and put together an article like this. Let's try the opposite.

Libertarians want to disband NASA, FDA, EPA, and all state research funding. You like space exploration and safe food? Too bad.

Libertarians are opposed to ALL environmental protection laws -- not just CO2 emissions, but also anything to do with pollution, and want to sell off all federal land. You wanted to visit Yosemite? It's been converted to a golf course.

"Less bellicose" is certainly true. Libertarians want the US to withdraw from all foreign bases and drastically reduce the army to the bare minimum needed to defend US territory from invasion. Sounds good, doesn't it? Yeah, who needs raw materials and secure trading routes. And those 3 million unemployed can no doubt find jobs clear-cutting former national parks.

The gold standard. Libertarians love gold. They've spent the last 30 years warning for hyperinflation, and of course the only way to avoid hyperinflation is to lock the value of the currency to gold. That no hyperinflation has ever materialized, and that the gold standard was abandoned because it made recessions more frequent, deeper, and longer, doesn't matter.

And the State's rights thing. The article makes a lot of noise about how it would allow California to go full social-democrat, but that's not what the libertarians of the tea party fight for. They fight for (fundamentalist protestant) religion in school and courthouse, they fight for bans on abortion and atheism, they fight for right to descriminate on race, and making sodomy illegal. They want state's rights not because it's closer to the people, but because it's too hard to implement these things at the federal level. That it effectively is the destruction of the union is just icing on the religious-right cake."

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1 posted on 06/19/2014 1:01:59 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Someone might want to remind the ‘top poster child’ that the vision of America he fears so much and dispises was the one the country was founded on. And his views are those against it.


2 posted on 06/19/2014 1:11:22 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Paul = Putz..erh...loon...


3 posted on 06/19/2014 1:14:30 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The Slate comment is bunk!
No Libertarian wants to “ban atheism” or fight for the right to discriminate based on race.
Libertarians are all about personal LIBERTY.


4 posted on 06/19/2014 1:15:31 AM PDT by weston (As far as I'm concerned, it's Christ or nothing!)
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To: Norm Lenhart

It’s very interesting how much this article (published at a liberal site) bothered “Top Commenter.”


5 posted on 06/19/2014 1:15:56 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: weston

Yes. He throws that in to cover all the dog-whistle issues - as I noted, he conflates a lot of groups to make his “case.”


6 posted on 06/19/2014 1:17:38 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

When your whole life consists of participation trophies, group hugs and liberals educating you (the top commenter) I can see why they are so upset.

When reality refuses to conform to your whim after all the people in your life taught you that personal truths were the only truths, it could be traumatic.


7 posted on 06/19/2014 1:30:02 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
At the end of the top comment: And the State's rights thing, in which he wails on what he sees as inevitable environmental destruction, protestant public schools, and other horrors which mean eventual destruction of the union.

He has it bassackwards. As our framing generation knew, the ONLY way for free government to exist across extensive territory was to form a republic of republics, in which the umbrella government concerned itself with matters common to all, and left internal police to the individual states.

Obama is fast reducing the states to administrative units of the consolidated government. If this trend continues, it will soon be impossible to distinguish our government from that of any run-of-the-mill despotism.

Our free republic is fast slipping away. Elections alone cannot reverse our slide.

8 posted on 06/19/2014 1:45:44 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

WHAT IF; Republicans cared about voter fraud.?

True it is a point of conversation but not worthy of action..


9 posted on 06/19/2014 1:51:31 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: Jacquerie
....At the end of the top comment: And the State's rights thing, in which he wails on what he sees as inevitable environmental destruction, protestant public schools, and other horrors which mean eventual destruction of the union...

He's on the same page as this administration. (Love your word, "bassackwards.")

10 posted on 06/19/2014 1:59:50 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: hosepipe

If we continue losing true legal recourse and remain powerless as checks and balances fade away, the Republic will be toast pdq.


11 posted on 06/19/2014 2:02:19 AM PDT by Cincinatus' Wife
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Hasn’t that already happened.


12 posted on 06/19/2014 2:15:45 AM PDT by Guenevere
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

They’re getting nervous.


13 posted on 06/19/2014 2:17:02 AM PDT by AdaGray (q)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Conservatives have such a SCARY agenda: ‘Leave us alone, get the hell out of our lives.’


14 posted on 06/19/2014 2:23:31 AM PDT by who knows what evil? (Yehovah saved more animals than people on the ark...www.siameserescue.org.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

Bookmark


15 posted on 06/19/2014 2:26:11 AM PDT by aquila48
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
" California and New York, with their dense populations and liberal electorates, would have even bigger state governments that provide universal pre-K, a public option for health insurance, and generous funding for mass transit......."

Paid for by whom, I wonder. The hordes of urban trash selling crack to each other and subsisting on welfare?

16 posted on 06/19/2014 3:01:33 AM PDT by muir_redwoods (When I first read it, " Atlas Shrugged" was fiction)
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To: Norm Lenhart

Is TEAtopia anything like Kochtopia?


17 posted on 06/19/2014 3:34:41 AM PDT by Rodamala
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

That “Top Comment” is a Montsanto-sized field of straw men. Nobody is talking about selling “all federal land”, the FDA, “all state research funding” (whatever that is — local agriculture stuff?), “ALL environmental protection laws”, etc.

We all know that the complaints re the EPA for example are that they have usurped Constitutional power from Congress, that complaints re the Agriculture department are that it is simply too big, that the federal government has no business being the nation’s largest operator of grazing lands, etc.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 3:53:45 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: jiggyboy

And what if we did wake up tomorrow in some alternate reality where the Libertarians had the upper hand in government and the electorate had an IQ roughly thirty points higher than it has today.

A Libertarian President simply would not simply start signing Executive Orders to disband the EPA, to “sell Yosemite”, to reduce the minimum wage, etc. He’d wait for bills from Congress to sign.

And that Libertarian Congress would need an uninterrupted number of years to start to undo the unconstitutional damage of the last century. Laws would be a dozen pages, not thousands; “Regular Order”, not backroom back-scratching, would be the order of the day, meaning bills would be a dozen pages on a single issue, debated in open session, amended in good faith, and passed or not on their own merits.


19 posted on 06/19/2014 4:05:24 AM PDT by jiggyboy
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

“They want state’s rights not because it’s closer to the people, but because it’s too hard to implement these things at the federal level.”

Proof that the comment author has no sense of current events or the actual history of the TEA Party or conservatism, in general.

We want to reinvigorate States’ Rights because it is the model crafted by the Founders, and is the BEST approach to government in our designed republic.

In fact, this whole thing is from Slate. That says a lot about the POV.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 4:24:36 AM PDT by PubliusMM (RKBA; a matter of fact, not opinion. 01-20-2016; I pray we make it that long.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Thank You, for the post.

21 posted on 06/19/2014 4:26:11 AM PDT by skinkinthegrass (The end move in politics is always to pick up a weapon..0'Bathhouse/"Rustler" Reid? d8-)
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To: jiggyboy
what if we did wake up tomorrow in some alternate reality where the Libertarians had the upper hand in government

Well, that's the only way it could happen. How many Libertarians are in Congress, the Administration and the Federal Court System?

that Libertarian Congress would need an uninterrupted number of years to start to undo the unconstitutional damage of the last century.

And implement their agenda of legalizing all drugs, continuing unfettered baby-killing, buggery and pederasty.

22 posted on 06/19/2014 4:36:13 AM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (June IS "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

The article doesn’t mention “debt”, “deficit” or the problems with government creating nearly a trillion dollars a year and the problems awaiting us because of it. This core TEA party principle is ignored.


23 posted on 06/19/2014 5:02:42 AM PDT by MulberryDraw (Repeal it.)
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To: MulberryDraw

Can you imagine?........

If we ever had a change and the Tea Party took control,
I would LOVE to be part of the group who gets to administer “justice”. There would be a lot of hangings (no need for prisons since the penalty for treason allows hanging). I would create several jobs by build conveyor’s to the gallows to save time in eliminating the ba#tards as quickly a possible, “so much to do and so little time”.

Ah, but a dream!


24 posted on 06/19/2014 5:45:25 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: AdaGray

” - - - They’re getting nervous. - - - “

Yup, just listen to the latest comments by at Rep. from NY Peter King!


25 posted on 06/19/2014 5:49:11 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: DaveA37

I have to disagree. I would dutifully serve in such a role should the need arise and it was asked of me, but man I would not love that one bit.

I would feel constant misery having to go through which such justice and having to go through the nitty-gritty details of all such actions and be immensely saddened by the state of our nation and our affairs. I’d also be pitiful and ashamed of what the nation has become, and having that brought to full exposure for true justice.

No sir, that would not be a pleasant role or situation. One that must occur in some form certainly, but not one I would in any way love.


26 posted on 06/19/2014 8:41:34 AM PDT by Individual Rights in NJ (I don't even know what to say anymore..)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
California and New York, with their dense populations and liberal electorates, would have even bigger state governments that provide universal pre-K, a public option for health insurance, and generous funding for mass transit........

And they would pay for this by... anybody? Bueller?

27 posted on 06/19/2014 8:45:14 AM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife; BillyBoy; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican

My “Teatopia” would feature no involvement from Rand Paul, his daddy, or their personality cult. It would also use federal power to smack down liberal state and local governments to prevent them from violating the rights of Americans. New Yorkers will be able to drink out of whatever size cup they want.

Call it an Iced Teatopia.


28 posted on 06/19/2014 9:55:28 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife

IT WOULD BE HEAVEN ON EARTH IMHO!


29 posted on 06/19/2014 1:49:50 PM PDT by buffyt (It is not a CHOICE, it is a CHILD OF GOD!)
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>> The Tea Party is not some temporary aberration...

bttt


30 posted on 06/19/2014 1:51:54 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
In politics, liberty is the summum bonum.
31 posted on 06/19/2014 10:08:33 PM PDT by TBP (Obama lies, Granny dies.)
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To: Impy

I been a drop out this month.
Never got a chance to go to Maine to help in the Poliquin victory ... not going to upstate NY for Elise. She looks like the winner.

no time at all. no read the news and only watched the clincher online Kings dominant over Rangers. Spurs were unreal.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 10:55:31 PM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (Let the dead bury the dead. Let the GOP bury the GOP.)
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To: campaignPete R-CT; Sun; fieldmarshaldj; AuH2ORepublican; GOPsterinMA; hockeyfan44

Harper poll, Stefanik 45%, Doheny 37%.

I continue to be extremely worried because Doheny has the IP endorsement and Stefanik the CP endorsement. We cannot split the vote in November, the loser of the GOP primary must graciously bow out. Gotta keep it cool in the iced tea party.

Spurs, best post-Jordan dynasty in the NBA. Popovich #1, coach.

LA Kings, unstoppable this year, NYR were no match.


33 posted on 06/20/2014 6:17:02 AM PDT by Impy (RED=COMMUNIST, NOT REPUBLICAN)
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To: muir_redwoods
Actually, California has a large liberal creative class who produces a lot of wealth in places like Hollywood and the Silicone Valley. They would get to pay the lion's share of the tab for their vision of utopia and leave the rest of us alone.
34 posted on 06/20/2014 7:51:09 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Impy

“Harper poll, Stefanik 45%, Doheny 37%. ..”

Sweet.

btw, Hannity said he will have a conservative politician, who is running against a liberal incumbent, on his radio show today from NYS, and I’m wondering if it will be Claudia Tenney. But whoever it is, it should be interesting.


35 posted on 06/20/2014 1:23:18 PM PDT by Sun (Pray that God sends us good leaders. Please say a prayer now.)
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To: Cincinatus' Wife
Wow, be sure and wipe that guy's liberal drool off your smock.

"That it effectively is the destruction of the union is just icing on the religious-right cake."

</off froth>
36 posted on 06/20/2014 4:11:04 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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