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Lois Lerner email cover-up may succeed: Somewhere, Richard Nixon is chuckling bitterly to himself.
American Thinker ^ | 06/19/2014 | Thomas Lifson

Posted on 06/19/2014 7:15:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Somewhere, Richard Nixon is chuckling bitterly to himself. When it comes to burying scandal, Tricky Dick was an amateur compared to the gang in the White House today. Obama and Company may well succeed in weaponizing the IRS to hobble his opposition in the 2012 election and escaping the second article of impeachment that Nixon faced.

You can forget about unleashing data recovery experts on the hard drive containing Lois Lerner’s emails – that hard drive has been destroyed. Richard Bade reports in Politico:

Ex-IRS official Lois Lerner’s crashed hard drive has been recycled, making it likely the lost emails of the lightening rod in the tea party targeting controversy will never be found, according to multiple sources.

“We’ve been informed that the hard drive has been thrown away,” Sen. Orrin Hatch of Utah, the top Republican on the Finance Committee, said in a brief hallway interview.

Two additional sources told POLITICO the same late Wednesday, citing IRS officials.

Odd, isn’t it, that nobody mentioned this before. Supposedly, recycling is standard procedure for damaged hard drives, and we all know how important recycling is to Saving the Planet. Just try using that excuse, that you recycled your receipts, when the IRS audits you.

Meanwhile, the White House is claiming that they have no records of any suspicious emails from Lerner to people there. The AP reports:


(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: email; irs; irsloislerner; lerner; teaparty
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IRS Source: Lerner’s Hard Drive Likely Destroyed. In other words, the e-mails are likely GONE FOREVER.
1 posted on 06/19/2014 7:15:47 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

destruction of evidence???


2 posted on 06/19/2014 7:16:48 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: SeekAndFind

3 posted on 06/19/2014 7:16:55 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Melowese Richardson - Democrat Vote Fraud Expert)
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To: SeekAndFind

Major crimes have been committed.


4 posted on 06/19/2014 7:17:51 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll never believe that it all hinges on the status of one hard drive.


5 posted on 06/19/2014 7:17:58 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: MeshugeMikey

RE: destruction of evidence???

They will argue accident. If there is a prosecution, they will have to prove destruction.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 7:18:19 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

may?

it already has succeeded.

The gutless and useless GOP leadership has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.


7 posted on 06/19/2014 7:19:17 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind
Issa might as well close down the investigation. The communists Democrats hold on America it is impossible to prosecute corruption. America may never recover.
8 posted on 06/19/2014 7:19:24 AM PDT by Logical me
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To: SeekAndFind

it court spoiliation of evidence is a presumption of guilt.


9 posted on 06/19/2014 7:19:51 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

It can succeed only if those looking for the emails are incompetent. The emails had to have been transmitted to a recipient. There’s one place to look. The emails would have had to transit at least one server. There’s another place to look. The federal records laws require hard copy. There’s another place to look.

Start subpoenaing IRS IT people. Put them under oath. Break the IT people and they’ll roll on the political cockroaches.


10 posted on 06/19/2014 7:19:56 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Socialism consumes EVERYTHING)
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To: SeekAndFind

So did the hard drives of all the email recipients crash as well?


11 posted on 06/19/2014 7:21:02 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
Fine...cover it up. Perhaps get by with this corruption.

Now, folks should swamp congressional phone lines to call for the abolition of the IRS all together.

This un-American agency should never ever again be allowed to strong arm another American citizen.

12 posted on 06/19/2014 7:22:35 AM PDT by servantboy777
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To: cripplecreek
So did the hard drives of all the email recipients crash as well?

If they haven't yet they will soon, six months ago.

13 posted on 06/19/2014 7:22:44 AM PDT by tacticalogic
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To: SeekAndFind
Sen. Hatch's statements prove that the D.C. Republicans are but junior members of the Beltway Mafia.

Any large organization has multiple backups of e-mails, etc on different servers, but the Republicans are instead giving the Dem's cover for CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.

14 posted on 06/19/2014 7:24:14 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: SeekAndFind

This will go nowhere ,The Criminals are in Charge and if the Tea Party lawyers go after all the agencies Lerner sent emails to , hard drives at each one will also be destroyed


15 posted on 06/19/2014 7:24:48 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: SeekAndFind

So the IRS is telling us they don’t have incremental backups of their email server? That’s not what we were told a few months ago.


16 posted on 06/19/2014 7:25:33 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: longtermmemmory
it court spoiliation of evidence is a presumption of guilt.

Well then, Lois Lerner should be held in contempt of Congress.

17 posted on 06/19/2014 7:25:38 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: dirtboy

RE: So the IRS is telling us they don’t have incremental backups of their email server?

How many of us wanna bet they have incremental backups on our tax information going back decades/


18 posted on 06/19/2014 7:26:55 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

The key difference is that Nixon didn’t have the major news outlets covering for him.


19 posted on 06/19/2014 7:27:05 AM PDT by william clark (Ecclesiastes 10:2)
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To: SecondAmendment

I have knowledge directly from someone who was a congressional staffer just how technologically clueless these dolts can be. But you’d think they would have staffers with such a clue.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 7:27:29 AM PDT by dirtboy
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To: SeekAndFind

The IRS is lying and everyone involved ought to go to prison. If those emails don’t exist, it is because someone went into MULTIPLE servers and deliberately erased them.


21 posted on 06/19/2014 7:27:33 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: SeekAndFind

So, the dog that “ate Lois’s homework” has been euthanized and cremated?

Such despicable corruption.


22 posted on 06/19/2014 7:27:41 AM PDT by fwdude ( You cannot compromise with that which you must defeat.)
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To: SeekAndFind
By federal law e-mails have to be preserved in case of any criminal wrong doing. Any private company under federal investigation that just “happened” to destroy a hard drive that contained possible evidence would be in big trouble and charges of obstruction of justice would be flying. With the IRS and this corrupt administration NOTHING will happen. The purported computer crash and destruction of a hard drive that just happened when Lois Lerner was being investigated is just too convenient to be just a coincidence. I would bet that hard drive had correspondence directly with high ups in the White House directing actions against Tea Party groups. There is ample evidence that Democrat members of Congress also illegally had heir hands on these IRS investigations, yet nothing will be done there either. Of course the media will give no time to this story and just parrot whatever their White House manipulators say. Our country has become a banana republic run by a tin horn dictator.
23 posted on 06/19/2014 7:28:19 AM PDT by The Great RJ
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To: SeekAndFind
When the Nation's Media serves as the Praetorian Guard -- we are pretty much stuck with our Caligulas.

The Television and Newsprint media are corrupt to the core.

24 posted on 06/19/2014 7:29:32 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Fester Chugabrew

RE: Well then, Lois Lerner should be held in contempt of Congress.

I just want to laugh and shake my head as I read this.

Eric Holder WAS HELD IN CONTEMPT of Congress. Where is he now?

What punishment does being held in contempt of Congress entail?

In the end, it all amounts to a statement that says: “You’ve been a very bad boy/girl.”

In the meantime, Lerner still enjoys her fat pension of over $100,000 a year.

http://www.cnsnews.com/commentary/pete-sepp/lerners-pension-could-be-much-102600year-396-million-lifetime


25 posted on 06/19/2014 7:29:38 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: dirtboy
So the IRS is telling us they don’t have incremental backups of their email server?

No. That's not what they are telling you.

They are telling you this: "If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face — forever."

26 posted on 06/19/2014 7:29:51 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: longtermmemmory

Pick any Obama scandal, or choose any Obama foreign crisis and watch Speaker Boehner cover it up.


27 posted on 06/19/2014 7:31:18 AM PDT by Graewoulf (Democrats' Obamacare Socialist Health Insur. Tax violates U.S. Constitution AND Anti-Trust Law.)
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To: SeekAndFind

May? Will.


28 posted on 06/19/2014 7:31:33 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: SeekAndFind
IRS Source: Lerner’s Hard Drive Likely Destroyed. In other words, the e-mails are likely GONE FOREVER.

Bull. ****.

Emails aren't stored on computer hard drives - copies, perhaps, but the server still is the master copy. A single computer's hard drive is irrelevant in an enterprise system.

29 posted on 06/19/2014 7:33:21 AM PDT by kevkrom (I'm not an unreasonable man... well, actually, I am. But hear me out anyway.)
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To: Genoa
I’ll never believe that it all hinges on the status of one hard drive.

Impossible. But then they keep getting more time to destroy evidence. Someone should be in jail.

30 posted on 06/19/2014 7:34:27 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: longtermmemmory
may?

it already has succeeded.

The gutless and useless GOP leadership has snatched defeat from the jaws of victory.


How so?

If the data for these emails has been lost, it was done a long time ago. This IRS scandal was a conspiracy from the git go and it was done by sophisticated people knowingly committing a crime.

Lois Lerner was head of ENFORCEMENT activities at the FEC so she is well aware of document preservation policies and she is also well aware of how people work to circumvent these rules.

The plan on how to destroy the e mail records and make sure these e mails never saw the light of day has been in action for a year or so before Lois Lerner intentionally outed the program herself at some conference.

The script on how this IRS scandal would go down was written in 2009 and 2010 and we are just now finally seeing it play out to the public.

Does anyone believe for second Lerner's hard drive simply “crashed” .

For the data to be unrecoverable, the disk drive media would have had to have been over written with garbage data or with zeros at least 3 times, or the would have had to have been placed into a de gausser to destroy the data with a strong magnetic field.

This was all well planned and people have been working in the background to destroy all back ups and cover their digital trails as part of “ normal operations” since way before this became public and anyone was aware there was a need to destroy documents.

31 posted on 06/19/2014 7:35:36 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: Paine in the Neck

>> Start subpoenaing IRS IT people. Put them under oath. Break the IT people and they’ll roll on the political cockroaches.

+1

You’ll need to get someone smarter and more tenacious than Issa to question them, however.

And don’t expect any help whatsoever from Federal forensic experts. They work for the dark side now.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 7:36:23 AM PDT by Nervous Tick (Without GOD, men get what they deserve.)
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To: VeniVidiVici

But instead of Woodward and Bernstein, Obama gets Sally Sweetlies, who is part of the cover up team.


33 posted on 06/19/2014 7:36:40 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SeekAndFind

The news organizations are going to be all over this. If their checks from the Democrats bounce.


34 posted on 06/19/2014 7:37:14 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: cripplecreek
So did the hard drives of all the email recipients crash as well?

Yes, sadly they have.

But, thank goodness, only some of the hard drives. The hard drives holding the emails from before the period in question and the hard drives holding the emails from after the period in question to today are still (fingers crossed!) working just fine.

35 posted on 06/19/2014 7:37:21 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: SeekAndFind

Bull excrement! There’s literally no way these emails are “gone forever.” They want us to think that, but it’s just not true. Every corporation in the country is required to maintain email archives among others. The government is no different, esp. after 8 years of Bush, you KNOW they put archives up everywhere to try to catch Bush and his cabal in some sort of scandal.


36 posted on 06/19/2014 7:37:54 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rdcbn

so who is going to jail? will there be a perp walk of lerner and her underlings?


37 posted on 06/19/2014 7:38:16 AM PDT by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: SeekAndFind

yep they accidently thew the hard drives away.

imagine the fbi going through the D.C. Municipal DUMP searching for hard drives....


38 posted on 06/19/2014 7:39:21 AM PDT by MeshugeMikey ( "Never, never, never give up". Winston Churchill)
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To: william clark

The key difference is that Nixon didn’t have the major news outlets covering for him.


No, the key difference is Nixon had an opposition party interested in substantively engaging him directly. All we get from the GOP is a tip toe through the tulips. They steadfastly refuse to engage Obama directly for the crimes of his admin.


39 posted on 06/19/2014 7:41:10 AM PDT by lodi90
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To: SeekAndFind

If you believe the only place these emails were stored was on Lerner’s HD, I’ve got a bridge to sell you.


40 posted on 06/19/2014 7:42:21 AM PDT by Hoffer Rand (Bear His image. Bring His message. Be the Church.)
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To: cripplecreek

Emails are not stored on a user’s local machine. Even if you use POP to get your mail, the server retains a copy in a stub or scratch file SOMEWHERE. MS Exchange, Lotus Notes, even IMAP servers are configured on multiple nodes which are configured on hardware disk arrays with fail safes which are also backed up to other hard drives, tapes, to the “cloud,” and most major corporations, including the government, have offsite retention with companies like Iron Mountain.

This is literally one of the most misinformed, outright, bald-faced lies I’ve ever heard come out of this administration. ANYONE who knows IT to at least a small degree knows this is not true. Unless someone went around firing 40mm thermite grenades into every datacenter possibly connected to the IRS and ensured that every hard drive everywhere is destroyed, shattered, and melted into scrap, there are copies of these emails somewhere in some form that can be made readable if not already.

This is a bunch of BS, and it’s insulting to the intelligence of Americans who give a damn.


41 posted on 06/19/2014 7:42:30 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: SeekAndFind

A coverup is easy if you’ve got the MSM protecting you.


42 posted on 06/19/2014 7:44:05 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Although there are numerous cases where they do lose our tax information we’ve submitted, then come back at you to produce it. When you can’t, because they lost it, you pay.

That’s the new rules for our government. You screw up, you pay. The government screws up, you pay. If you lie to the government you go to prison. The government can and does lie and lie and lie to you every day.


43 posted on 06/19/2014 7:46:44 AM PDT by henkster (Do I really need a sarcasm tag?)
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To: Cowboy Bob

No matter what is found and if ANYONE ever goes to jail before odumbo is out of office, he will pardon ANYONE who was/is guilty. It is pretty obvious there are lots of guilty people including odumbo himself.


44 posted on 06/19/2014 7:47:45 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: Genoa

You shouldn’t, it’s the biggest part of the scam.


45 posted on 06/19/2014 7:48:17 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: SeekAndFind
What punishment does being held in contempt of Congress entail?

It was ruled by the Supreme Court in Anderson v. Dunn the Congress has the power to have someone arrested and imprisoned for Contempt of Congress. They can do this themselves. The DOJ has nothing to do with it. There even used to be a jail cell in the Capitol Building where those convicted served out their sentence.

Congress can send the House Sergeant at Arms to arrest Lerner and the rest of the IRS goons that 'lost' the email but they REFUSE to do their duty.

46 posted on 06/19/2014 7:55:21 AM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Genoa

Bingo! It never should. However, they are now or have been chasing down ALL the data/evidence to destroy it. It just has to be in several places and in several backups. The IT people should be pressured right NOW to disclose what they know.


47 posted on 06/19/2014 7:55:36 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: Count of Monte Fisto

RE: It was ruled by the Supreme Court in Anderson v. Dunn the Congress has the power to have someone arrested and imprisoned for Contempt of Congress. They can do this themselves.

OK, so put Eric Holder in jail. He was held in contempt.

But he’s not. So, where’s the teeth in the ruling?


48 posted on 06/19/2014 7:56:25 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Certain members of Congress have been publicly vociferous in encouraging the IRS to investigate conservative political groups, so it is not as if we need Lois Lerner’s hard drive to “prove” something. The IRS is still intent on thwarting conservative groups. No mystery there. They, along with every single federal agency, have a vested interest in maintaining/growing power at the expense of taxpayers. If it requires a recycled hard drive along the way, then so be it.


49 posted on 06/19/2014 7:56:26 AM PDT by Fester Chugabrew (Even the compassion of the wicked is cruel.)
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To: cripplecreek

For sure, and even the NSA, should have copies.


50 posted on 06/19/2014 7:56:51 AM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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