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Harley-Davidson introduces electric motorcycle
Tri-City Herald ^ | June 19, 2014 | By M.L. JOHNSON Associated Press

Posted on 06/19/2014 8:12:03 AM PDT by shotgun

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Harley-Davidson will unveil its first electric motorcycle next week, and President Matt Levatich said he expects the company known for its big touring bikes and iconic brand to become a leader in developing technology and standards for electric vehicles

Read more here: http://www.tri-cityherald.com/2014/06/19/3026587/harley-davidson-introduces-electric.html?sp=/99/915/#storylink=cpy


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1 posted on 06/19/2014 8:12:03 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: shotgun

Harley dealers and riders refused to back the V-ROD for not being a “true” Harley. Imagine what those knuckleheads will say of an electric bike.


2 posted on 06/19/2014 8:14:02 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: shotgun
VROOOM VROOM

BZZZT BZZZT

3 posted on 06/19/2014 8:14:16 AM PDT by shove_it (long ago Orwell and Rand warned us of Obama's America)
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To: shotgun

Awesome, ‘cuz whisper-quiet bikes are so much safer than loud ones. /s


4 posted on 06/19/2014 8:14:16 AM PDT by Mich Patriot (Pitch black is the new "transparent.")
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To: shotgun

Harley dealers and riders refused to back the V-ROD for not being a “true” Harley. Imagine what those knuckleheads will say of an electric bike.


5 posted on 06/19/2014 8:14:19 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: shotgun

http://project.harley-davidson.com/en_US

Harley-Davidson’s first electric motorcycle. Only available on the Project LiveWire™ Experience Tour.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 8:15:07 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shotgun

I’ll stick to my 93 FXR, thank you very much.


7 posted on 06/19/2014 8:15:26 AM PDT by left that other site (You shall know the Truth, and The Truth Shall Set You Free.)
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8 posted on 06/19/2014 8:16:08 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shotgun

The DUMBASSES at Harley-Davidson Desperately TRYING to go BANKRUPT for a 2nd TIME!


9 posted on 06/19/2014 8:17:41 AM PDT by US Navy Vet (Go Packers! Go Rockies! Go Boston Bruins! See, I'm "Diverse"!)
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To: shotgun
Well damn, guess we'll have to go back to putting playing cards against spokes with clothespins to get the proper sound :)
10 posted on 06/19/2014 8:18:45 AM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Mich Patriot

Maybe they can install some proximity alarms that blast a loud 150db wail if some car gets within 5 feet for more then .05 seconds..


11 posted on 06/19/2014 8:18:59 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: martin_fierro

Ping! Or maybe it should be BZZZZZ


12 posted on 06/19/2014 8:20:12 AM PDT by Constitution Day
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To: shotgun
Harley's a bit behind the curve.

Power Wheels has sold one for years.

My granddaughters have one:


13 posted on 06/19/2014 8:21:21 AM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: shotgun

If it doesn’t leak Oil, it isn’t a Harley.


14 posted on 06/19/2014 8:21:44 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (Proud Antiobamunist since 2008...)
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To: CodeToad

Imagine what those white trash riders will think when they find out Harley outsourced jobs to a notorious H1B visa scammer. Don’t worry, they offered their old employees their jobs at much much lower rates so they aren’t all bad...


15 posted on 06/19/2014 8:23:08 AM PDT by drunknsage
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To: shotgun; martin_fierro

16 posted on 06/19/2014 8:24:57 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: shotgun

Will it come with a PA system for making Harley-like engine noise? /S


17 posted on 06/19/2014 8:25:11 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: CodeToad

Hardly-Davidson...


18 posted on 06/19/2014 8:27:34 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Kickass Conservative

My ‘05 Springer Softtail has never leaked a drop of oil except for the one time the back of my chaps snagged the filler cap after a long ride and sprayed hot oil all over the back of my leg!

My no ex girlfriend who had a Victory Vegas would give “our herd” of riders (we all had HD’s) crap about oil leaks and break downs but in the 2 years we were together the computer on her bike lost all its codes twice and had to be towed in each time!


19 posted on 06/19/2014 8:28:21 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: shotgun

I’m surprised they didn’t make it a front wheel drive, and get George Michaels to do the commercial music.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 8:30:21 AM PDT by rawcatslyentist (Jeremiah 50:32 "The arrogant one will stumble and fall ; / ?)
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To: shotgun

More data at:

Harley-Davidson’s First Electric Motorcycle Surprisingly Doesn’t Suck
http://www.wired.com/2014/06/harley-davidson-livewire/

excerpted:

enge in building the LiveWire was the shift from building a bike around an engine to building one around a battery. A battery is heavy—Harley wouldn’t say what the pack weighs, but one EV expert told us something with the range and recharge time Harley claims would be around 250 pounds—so engineers had to cut weight elsewhere. The cast aluminum perimeter frame wrapped around the battery box weighs just 14 pounds, which makes it a full eight pounds lighter than the Zero’s frame. The wheels have hollow spokes, and Harley claims they’re among the lightest aluminum wheels it’s ever produced...

The high-pitched whir of the longitudinally-mounted, three-phase AC induction motor reverberates through the chassis, amplifying the sound. It starts off quietly, then builds in pitch and volume as the bike gains speed. It’s louder than you’d think...

The LiveWire offers 74 horsepower, 52 foot-pounds of torque and a (governed) top speed of 92 mph. It’s more powerful and quicker off the line than the $13,000 Zero DS, but it’s got less torque and range. That said, it’s got more torque and power than Harley’s Iron 883...

Harley isn’t saying much about the drivetrain beyond saying the bike uses a lithium-ion battery with a range of 53 miles. It charges in 3.5 hours at 220 volts. Assuming the bike has a 3.3 kw charging system like other electric motorcycles, some back-of-the-envelope math suggests the LiveWire uses a 10 kilowatt-hour pack. Twist the throttle and the bike leaps forward with authority. Roll off the throttle and the regenerative braking kicks in, bringing the bike down from speed with due efficiency...


21 posted on 06/19/2014 8:31:02 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: CodeToad

I wonder if they market tested it in carefully selected focus groups of fat, bearded felons who like to ride in large groups making lots of noise.


22 posted on 06/19/2014 8:31:45 AM PDT by Avid Coug
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To: shotgun

RIP Harley-Davidson.


23 posted on 06/19/2014 8:32:36 AM PDT by depressed in 06 (America conceived in liberty, dies in slavery.)
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To: Avid Coug

They are market testing with a tour offering people to ride it and give feedback. A review at:

http://www.cycleworld.com/2014/06/19/harley-davidson-livewire-electric-motorcycle-first-ride-review-photos-video/

Meet the Harley-Davidson LiveWire electric motorcycle, a research project into the viability of an electric two-wheeler for the bar-and-shield brand. Cycle World had the chance to see and touch the bike up close, and also got an opportunity to ride LiveWire on an abandoned runway in Southern California.


24 posted on 06/19/2014 8:35:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: All

PROJECT LIVEWIRE EXPERIENCE & TEST

RIDES AT HARLEY-DAVIDSON OF NEW YORK DEALERSHIP
New York, NY, US
TUESDAY, JUNE 24 - WEDNESDAY, JUNE 25, 2014

RIDES AT BOSTON HARLEY-DAVIDSON
Boston, MA, US
FRIDAY, JUNE 27 - SUNDAY, JUNE 29, 2014

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Philadelphia, PA, US
THURSDAY, JULY 17 - SATURDAY, JULY 19, 2014

http://project.harley-davidson.com/


25 posted on 06/19/2014 8:38:24 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: shotgun

And why not? Most HD riders are over 55. HD needs to expand its market. They added a couple of smaller bikes this year and are test marketing an electric bike.

Harley has been quite successful at market segmentation with its big twins and Sportsters. For the serious distance rider like me, the FLH models are fabulous. For the bar hopper and commuters, the softtail models rule. The Road Kings fit the middle distance rider. The Sportsters are for the ladies and younger, entry-level riders.

The V-Rod and the Buell models didn’t work out very well because the competition had them beat from the beginning. Perhaps an early entry into the electric bike market will work out better.

For short distances, I ride a Stella Scooter and a Yamaha 2-stroke Zuma moped. They aren’t as fast as the new electric model, but they cost about 10% as much and I can park the Zuma at a bike rack. I think they are a better choice for urban short trips.

There is a growing market for “street fighter” models. The electric bike may fill that segment.


26 posted on 06/19/2014 8:40:47 AM PDT by FXRP
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To: thackney

The bike would appeal, I think, to folks who have a short urban commute and would like to ride a bike.

I saw no price in the article and having to have 220 volts would be a bit of a disadvantage IMO.

But it is cool looking and if the performance is as advertised I could see them selling a few of the bikes.

But the problem with any electric vehicle is Price, Price and Range.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


27 posted on 06/19/2014 8:42:49 AM PDT by alfa6
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having to have 220 volts would be a bit of a disadvantage

What home does not have 220V available?

28 posted on 06/19/2014 8:43:34 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: FXRP

My Springer came with the “badlander” 9-inch seat and was cool for running the boulevard but open highway riding was brutal. Replaced it with a 16-inch saddle standard on the Heritage Softtail Classic and was able to ride more than 50 miles without having to get off and get the circulation back in my legs.


29 posted on 06/19/2014 8:46:16 AM PDT by shotgun
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30 posted on 06/19/2014 8:49:51 AM PDT by martin_fierro (< |:)~)
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To: thackney

Most homes do but how many homes have a 220 outlet in the garage?

Then the expense of having to run the 220 to the garage especially if you have to do the permit thing.

Now if they have a 120 volt charger available well there you go. Granted the cycle time would be at least twice as long but 120 outlets are almost everywhere.

On a personal note if the price is not out of this world I might be interested in one as I could ride it to work for almost two weeks before I would have to charge it up.

BUT do I want to tie up $15k on a vehicle that would only go 50 to 100 miles?

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


31 posted on 06/19/2014 8:50:57 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: alfa6

I do, for my air compressor.

But if you cannot handle the expense of adding a single 220V receptacle, you won’t be buying a new Harley.

Permit to add a receptacle? Where do you live? I would do it myself for less $100.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 8:54:59 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: thackney

with a range of 53 miles

huh? - wow - that should have stopped them right then and there


33 posted on 06/19/2014 8:55:02 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (stalker of ansel12 along with Jack Black)
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To: shotgun

Yes and it comes with SISSY BARS!


34 posted on 06/19/2014 9:00:58 AM PDT by Kirkwood (Zombie Hunter)
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To: thackney

Yea it’s not hard to run an outlet but a lot of folks won’t do it for one reason or another.

To the hard core fan I don’r think it is a big deal but for folks on the bubble I can see that being a definite downer.

I think the cost of the bile will be the deciding factor. If the price is reasonable I can see them selling but if the price runs close to what a full blown Harley goes for it is just a toy and sales will be flat.

Just my 2 cents worth.

Regards

alfa6 ;>}


35 posted on 06/19/2014 9:03:01 AM PDT by alfa6
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To: thackney

It looks a lot like the Ducati Diavel.


36 posted on 06/19/2014 9:04:44 AM PDT by Disambiguator (#cornedbeef)
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To: rawcatslyentist
I’m surprised they didn’t make it a front wheel drive, and get George Michaels to do the commercial music.

Now that's funny.
37 posted on 06/19/2014 9:05:22 AM PDT by 762X51
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To: shotgun

I don’t think this will sell well....


38 posted on 06/19/2014 9:12:15 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: FXRP
And why not? Most HD riders are over 55. HD needs to expand its market.

A long time friend with several Harleys rides from Rock Springs Wyoming to Denver to visit every year. We never ride together because our bikes are so different, as are our riding styles. I ride a 1994 Yamaha FZR-1000.

He offered to let me ride his new Harley. It is so different from what I am used to I declined. (I rode a Buell once and was most impressed - The seating position was similar to a sport bike) He rides without helmet or protective gear. I wear race bike gear or I won't get on a bike.

Different strokes for different folks. The young folks want 17,000 RPM sport bikes. Harley needs to explore new ideas.

39 posted on 06/19/2014 9:13:31 AM PDT by SpeakerToAnimals (I hope to earn a name in battle)
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To: alfa6

I think the cost of the bile will be the deciding factor.

- - - -

Yep, spending a few hundred for an electrician isn’t going to be the deciding factor on a $15k bike (number made up).

Cheers


40 posted on 06/19/2014 9:15:06 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Avid Coug

Felons? I think the vast majority of Harley riders are dentists and accountants. Who else can afford a $25,000+ motorcycle.


41 posted on 06/19/2014 9:19:46 AM PDT by CodeToad (Arm Up! They Are!)
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To: shotgun

Nice looking, but half of the mystique of the Harley is the sweet unmistakable sound it makes going down the road. How many more accidents will there be when people don’t hear you coming?


42 posted on 06/19/2014 9:20:32 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Do The Math)
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To: CodeToad

“Imagine what those knuckleheads will say of an electric bike”

They can call it the “Coal Glide”


43 posted on 06/19/2014 9:38:18 AM PDT by RS_Rider (I hate Illinois Nazis)
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To: CodeToad
The typical Harley owner is a 50 year old, successful dentist. I find that most of the riders that visit the local dealerships are over 50 and successful in some field.

I have 8 bikes in the garage. Two Harley, two Yamaha, two Kawasaki, one Honda, one Piaggio. My wife is the "outlier" with the Piaggio BV500 and Honda CTX700NDE. She prefers an automatic.

There is talk today of gas prices leaping to $11/gallon. That's going to make my trip home to Pocatello (900 miles) a very expensive proposition in the F150 get 16 MPG. My Fat Bob get 38 to 49 MPG depending on the mix of city/highway driving. The Kawasaki Versys delivers a consistent 53 MPG on 91 octane premium gas. My wife's CTX700NDE delivers 61 MPG on 87 octane regular gas.

For in-town commutes to/from work, the electric bikes would be viable. I only go 7 miles to work. I would have to take the Fat Bob to make the 900 mile trek home. I've done that in two days. Pretty rugged up I-15 with the trip trailer UPS rigs going 80 MPH.

44 posted on 06/19/2014 9:38:18 AM PDT by Myrddin
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To: shotgun

No one wants one,it doesn’t make any noise,these idiots who ride these things only are interested in drawing attention to their pathetic selves,no noise no sale


45 posted on 06/19/2014 10:03:43 AM PDT by ballplayer
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To: CodeToad

There are plenty of V-rods out there, and I don’t know of a dealership that refused to sell bikes of any kind. Hell some people bitched about fuel injection too, but they were outliers just like those that bitched about the V-Rod.


46 posted on 06/19/2014 10:05:51 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: shotgun
With no need to shift gears, the slim, sporty bike can go from 0 to 60 mph in about 4 seconds.

That's pretty good. With 130 mile range it would make a rocket commuter bike.

47 posted on 06/19/2014 10:18:12 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: shotgun

Put a couple speakers on the back and require the idiot in my neighborhood to turn the volume knob up and down a few times at the stop sign in front of my house to keep it running. Harleys would be fine if they could just fix the problem of riders needing to rev them at every stop sign or traffic light.


48 posted on 06/19/2014 10:19:35 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (Republican amnesty supporters don't care whether their own homes are called mansions or haciendas.)
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To: shotgun
Good thing I searched before posting this. I can see the appeal for some of an electric commuter bike. It's gonna have to do more than a hundred miles before something like this would work for me. A hundred miles will barely get me out of Texas.

HD has had to go water cooled on their big bikes thanks to the EPA idiots. Not surprised by this at all. Coal powered motorcycles... it's the future!

49 posted on 06/19/2014 10:36:21 AM PDT by zeugma (It is time for us to start playing cowboys and muslims for real now.)
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To: shotgun

Victory Motorcycles — the best mass production bikes made in America.

I have a Victory Hammer. It’s a fantastic motorcycle!


50 posted on 06/19/2014 10:48:06 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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