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Lerner e-mails likely gone forever, IRS claims, as hard drive was “thrown away”
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Posted on 06/19/2014 8:15:20 AM PDT by chessplayer

The IRS announced last night — after a subpoena from House Oversight chair Darrell Issa — that Lois Lerner’s hard drive had been either “thrown away” or recycled, which means at least for the moment that none of her interagency e-mails can be recovered:

“IT experts have weighed in and said yes — we can get those” emails, said Rep. Charles Boustany (R-La.) earlier Wednesday.

The latest news suggests such professionals may never get the chance to try again — and the IRS has even said its criminal investigators who specialize in rebuilding hard drives to recover hidden information from criminals were unable to restore the data back in 2011. But this is only likely to further enrage Republicans, who are fuming over the matter and suspect Washington officials drove the selective scrutiny.

Without backups or the drives, those communications have been lost. Unless Lerner testifies, which she has so far refused to do, or unless the House subpoenas all executive-branch e-mails, they’re likely lost forever.


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Thats it, folks. Ball games over. The One wins again,,,as expected.
1 posted on 06/19/2014 8:15:20 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
Thats it, folks. Ball games over. The One wins again,,,as expected.

Keep calling your Reps. The email data, by law, is required to be backed up on redundant servers, and has been, for years. Her computer is not even an issue in this farce.

2 posted on 06/19/2014 8:18:11 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: chessplayer

First it was crashed.
Then reused, now it is “thrown away”.
What next, sold to China?
Found in the bottom of a White House closet with Rose Law Firm records that have curiously been scrubbed?


3 posted on 06/19/2014 8:18:42 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: chessplayer

Much as the Constitution under Obama..

Shredded .. Tossed..
And like leftist rhetoric, recycled.

By the most corrupt incompetent agenda driven adminstration uhhh regime ever.


4 posted on 06/19/2014 8:18:45 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: chessplayer

Turn the drives over to the FBI. Send a FBI IT tech over to discover their data backup.

I used to work for the federal government: they are not completely gone.


5 posted on 06/19/2014 8:19:34 AM PDT by Salvavida (The restoration of the U.S.A. starts with filling the pews at every Bible-believing church.)
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To: NormsRevenge

This regime was voted in - twice.

And still has a 40% approval rating.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 8:20:15 AM PDT by stanne
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To: NormsRevenge

It does not matter if the hard drives were thrown away. The emails will be found on the servers. They don’t throw those away.


7 posted on 06/19/2014 8:20:18 AM PDT by Herodes
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To: chessplayer

If heads start rolling, any IT staff who didn’t backup according to law gets fired, there’s a chance someone down the chain won’t think it’s worth it.


8 posted on 06/19/2014 8:20:28 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: chessplayer

Dibs on the burning torches and pitchfork concession.


9 posted on 06/19/2014 8:20:54 AM PDT by themidnightskulker
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To: chessplayer
That's OK.
Who is going to jail?
If the same thing happened in an American corporation while faced with insider trading charges, or patent lawsuit, or some government infraction - at least a few people would be facing prison time. So who is going to jail?
10 posted on 06/19/2014 8:21:09 AM PDT by El Cid (Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved, and thy house...)
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To: Darksheare

“First it was crashed.
Then reused, now it is “thrown away”.
What next, sold to China?
Found in the bottom of a White House closet with Rose Law Firm records that have curiously been scrubbed?”

This is the Obama administration rubbing our noses in it. They can lie, and the lie can be stupid, it can be changed, it can be anything... and it will be accepted by the msm and the public.

What the Obama admin is really saying is: “Take that conservatives, stick it where the sun don’t shine!”


11 posted on 06/19/2014 8:21:18 AM PDT by brownsfan (Behold, the power of government cheese.)
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To: chessplayer

A war-time House would stop all IRS paychecks until the emails showed up.


12 posted on 06/19/2014 8:21:50 AM PDT by AU72
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To: brownsfan

It’s like the old style Soviet Union where the leadership lied, obviously lied, changed the lie so often one could tell time by it, and nobody batted an eye.
Because if you said something about it, you had the KGB up in your business over it.


13 posted on 06/19/2014 8:22:32 AM PDT by Darksheare (Try my coffee, first one's free..... Even robots will kill for it!)
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To: chessplayer
I just learned a valuable technique here:

IRS agent: Mr. Leaning Right, you claimed over two billion dollars in work-related deductions last year. Where is the evidence to back that up?

Me: It was on my hard drive, but the drive crashed. I of course didn't back anything up.

IRS agent: You had better get a computer expert to recover that data, and you had better do it fast.

Me: But I threw the hard drive away.

IRS agent: No problem then. Your tax return is accepted. Have a nice day.

14 posted on 06/19/2014 8:22:52 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: chessplayer

IRS to America: “Uh, yeah. The files were lost, no they were thrown away. Also - screw you.”


15 posted on 06/19/2014 8:23:03 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Salvavida
The FBI is controlled by the Obama administration. We all know how ruthless they
are. So what do you think the FBI will do about any investigation?
Only Congress can do anything at this point with special investigation and
prosecutors and they're doing nothing of the sort.

Congress is in the bag for this admin, most of us already know this by Boehner inactions.

16 posted on 06/19/2014 8:23:25 AM PDT by MaxMax (Pay Attention and you'll be pissed off too! FIRE BOEHNER, NOW!)
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To: chessplayer

If the average American citizen tried that crap with the IRS, they would be crushed painfully. That’s why you see people scrambling to find 6 year old receipts in a shoebox. “Sorry. Lost that stuff. You can’t do anything” simply will not fly with the IRS. Why should they get a pass when the situation is reversed?


17 posted on 06/19/2014 8:23:44 AM PDT by christx30 (Freedom above all.)
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To: chessplayer

Okay….doesn’t the federal government have a cyber security company hired to prevent this scenario from happening? Issa needs to call them in and see why they didn’t stop this taxpayer-funded security breech from occurring. It’s their job.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 8:24:18 AM PDT by txrefugee
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To: chessplayer

I went over to the DUmp (gag) to see what they are saying about the destruction of evidence. Aside from some small posts a few days ago (defending the loss of data as usual and customary)...

Crickets.

They need to change the site name to hypocrite underground.


19 posted on 06/19/2014 8:25:02 AM PDT by Reddy (B.O. stinks)
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To: chessplayer

> IRS has even said its criminal investigators who specialize in rebuilding hard drives to recover hidden information from criminals were unable to restore the data back in 2011

How often does a crash erase/overwrite an entire hard drive? I can understand a few sectors but the whole thing? Seems that would take intentional effort and time.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 8:26:19 AM PDT by BinaryBoy ("Immigration Reform" is ballot stuffing)
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To: chessplayer
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21 posted on 06/19/2014 8:26:22 AM PDT by MtnMan101
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To: chessplayer

They are making fools out of this nation of fools.


22 posted on 06/19/2014 8:26:29 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Darksheare

Nixon was told to burn his White House recordings. He should have.

Watergate pales in insignificance compared to this in-your-face democrat crooks.


23 posted on 06/19/2014 8:26:45 AM PDT by A'elian' nation ("Political Correctness does not legislate tolerance; it only organizes hatred." Jacques Barzun)
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To: IYAS9YAS

The email data, by law, is required to be backed up on redundant servers, and has been, for years.


This admin. doesn’t follow the law.


24 posted on 06/19/2014 8:27:55 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Your move I$$A. CONgre$$ and the IR$ GE$TAPO. We pay these deceivers…why?

He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harrass our people, and eat out their substance.

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security

Check$ and Balance$ BUMP! $ee $omething, $ay $omething ALERT!


25 posted on 06/19/2014 8:27:56 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Darksheare
First it was crashed.
Then reused, now it is “thrown away”.
What next, sold to China?
Found in the bottom of a White House closet with Rose Law Firm records that have curiously been scrubbed?

Yeah, that's the ticket!


26 posted on 06/19/2014 8:29:14 AM PDT by Cletus.D.Yokel (Catastrophic Anthropogenic Climate Alteration: The acronym explains the science.)
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To: chessplayer
and the IRS has even said its criminal investigators who specialize in rebuilding hard drives to recover hidden information from criminals were unable to restore the data back in 2011.

Bull....I have had several hard drive crashes that I have sent out for data recovery...to the point where the drives where clicking. I've never had under a 95% recovery rate. The fact that the IRS is claiming they got a 0% recovery from someone in Lerner's position is almost impossible unless her crash was the result of somebody taking a sledgehammer to her hard drive.

When a hard drive really crashes it is usually a result of things like the motor, board or other parts that serve to spin the platter itself. In most cases not involving actual physical damage, the platter remains intact while the motor around it fails. This provides you with the opportunity to remove the platter, place it in a new drive enclosure, and pull the old data off onto an external drive.

This can all be done in the private sector for about $1800.

Now, even if the drive were considered "unrecoverable" at the time, the fact that historical and public information had been stored there would be enough to at least merit holding onto the damaged drive in case advances in technology would one day allow the data to be recovered. They conveniently threw the drive away. This is a coverup.
27 posted on 06/19/2014 8:31:11 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Salvavida

The hard drive isn’t the issue.

If Person A sends an e-mail to Person B in another company, then the e-mail can be recovered from:

Person A’s computer.
Company A’s server.
Company A’s backup of Person A’s e-mail box.
Company A’s backup of Company A’s server.
E-mail server nodes along the way of transfer from Company A to Company B.
Backups of e-mail server nodes along the way of transfer from Company A to Company B.
Person B’s computer.
Company B’s server.
Company B’s backup of Person B’s e-mail box.
Company B’s backup of Company B’s server.

This idea that somehow an e-mail can be completely lost is ludicrous and any politician who claims it should lose their job for basic stupidity.


28 posted on 06/19/2014 8:31:41 AM PDT by Anitius Severinus Boethius (www.wilsonharpbooks.com - Eclipse, the sequel to Bright Horizons is out! Get it now!)
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To: chessplayer

As I posted in an earlier thread, the IRS now claims multiple email accounts are gone, 5-6 people in different offices at the IRS. These were all stored on a single hard drive without RAID redundancy in 2009-11? Is this anywhere in a light year of possible?

This odor is ordure!


29 posted on 06/19/2014 8:32:10 AM PDT by SES1066 (Quality, Speed or Economical - Any 2 of 3 except in government - 1 at best but never #3!)
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To: MaxMax
"The FBI is controlled by the Obama administration. We all know how ruthless they are. So what do you think the FBI will do about any investigation?"

EXACTLY

You would use the law to oppose socialism? But it is upon the law that socialism itself relies. Socialists desire to practice legal plunder, not illegal plunder. Socialists, like all other monopolists, desire to make the law their own weapon. And when once the law is on the side of socialism, how can it be used against socialism? For when plunder is abetted by the law, it does not fear your courts, your gendarmes, and your prisons. Rather, it may call upon them for help.

/Bastiat

30 posted on 06/19/2014 8:32:45 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: NormsRevenge

I cringe when I see “incompetent” still used to describe BO. It’s exactly the opposite! He has been deliberate in tearing down our country. He told us what he was going to do and he’s done a damn good job!


31 posted on 06/19/2014 8:33:20 AM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: stanne
And still has a 40% approval rating.

40+ percent underclass takers who only care about the free stuff they can get.

32 posted on 06/19/2014 8:33:34 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: chessplayer

“Lerner emails likely gone forever”

Reminds me of Hillary saying disappointedly “We’ll probably never know what happended to Vince Foster” (so let’s drop it)


33 posted on 06/19/2014 8:34:37 AM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: PeachyKeen

I hear ya,, his minions are incompetent and drones, he is conniving, a imam on a mission.


34 posted on 06/19/2014 8:35:00 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: chessplayer

BREAKING NEWS: This just in... the hard drive has been FOUND!

It is somewhere near the Brooklyn Bridge. Don’t know where on the bridge, but now that we know this, we just have to buy the bridge.

Great news! The lost/recycled/thrown-out hard drive with Lerner emails is on the Brooklyn Bridge!


35 posted on 06/19/2014 8:35:03 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

Too bad Romney is such a weak personality, he could’ve stuck with his 47% argument and done just fine


36 posted on 06/19/2014 8:35:31 AM PDT by stanne
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To: SES1066
As I posted in an earlier thread, the IRS now claims multiple email accounts are gone, 5-6 people in different offices at the IRS. These were all stored on a single hard drive without RAID redundancy in 2009-11?

Nope. I believe they are claiming that they had seven...YES SEVEN..individual computer crashes in that resulted in completely unrecoverable data in that time frame. The news media is avoiding this because the chances of experiencing seven unrecoverable hard drive crashes to seven people involved in the same type of communications is so astronomical, it's impossible. Winning the lottery twice in two days would be more likely.
37 posted on 06/19/2014 8:35:35 AM PDT by mmichaels1970
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To: Darksheare
What next, sold to China? Found in the bottom of a White House closet with Rose Law Firm records that have curiously been scrubbed?

Behind the copier at the Los Alamos Labs.

-PJ

38 posted on 06/19/2014 8:36:14 AM PDT by Political Junkie Too (If you are the Posterity of We the People, then you are a Natural Born Citizen.)
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To: Herodes

It does not matter if the hard drives were thrown away. The emails will be found on the servers. They don’t throw those away.


What bothers me about that is that there hasn’t been a flood of computer experts claiming they can still be recovered. That tells me they CAN’T be recovered.


39 posted on 06/19/2014 8:36:21 AM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

This so much bullsh!t that you could fertilize the entire continent of Asia’s fields for decades..................


40 posted on 06/19/2014 8:36:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (Soon there will be another American Civil War. Will make the first one seem like a Tea Party........)
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To: christx30

“Why should they get a pass when the situation is reversed?”

They shouldn’t. At the very least, the VERY least, Lerner should go to jail for the same amount of time as Scooter Libby, and lose her pension.

We have officially crossed over to the point at which we now have the equivalent of a politburo controlling our lives.

We can’t trust anymore that the sanctity of our vote will be protected. We can’t trust that the government will protect us from foreign invasion (the encouragement and non-prosecution of illegal immigration is clearly a form of foreign invasion). We can’t trust that our elected officials will be held to the same standards and laws as the rest of us.

Frankly, we can’t trust anymore that the government will acknowledge and respect our rights of free speech, self-determinism, or ownership of private property. In short we can’t trust anymore that we are truly free in the country that many of us pledged allegiance to in schools across the nation as children.


41 posted on 06/19/2014 8:36:34 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: chris37
They are making fools out of this nation of fools.

Your post is the post of the day.

It just goes to show they don't even bother to make a coherent excuse, just any lie they through out will go unchallenged and unreported in the media.

42 posted on 06/19/2014 8:37:23 AM PDT by The_Media_never_lie (The media must be defeated any way it can be done.)
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To: chessplayer

It was placed on a train track, then melted, then thrown into the Marianas Trench but there wasn’t a smidgeon of corruption on it.


43 posted on 06/19/2014 8:38:29 AM PDT by Starstruck (If my reply offends, you probably don't understand sarcasm or criticism...or do.)
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To: chessplayer

It is going to come down to how hard the reformers push back on this. The RINOs are already nodding in agreement that the emails are lost..


44 posted on 06/19/2014 8:40:03 AM PDT by ArtDodger
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To: ArtDodger

The “RINOs”, ie, the GOPe, are as opposed to small-gov’t conservatives as much as any democrat is.


45 posted on 06/19/2014 8:41:58 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: chessplayer

What are the chances? That Lerner sure has good luck. OK folks. Pack it up. The show’s over.


46 posted on 06/19/2014 8:42:41 AM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: chessplayer
This admin. doesn’t follow the law.

Understood. My point was that the computer is bupkiss in this whole deal. Get the servers.

47 posted on 06/19/2014 8:43:31 AM PDT by IYAS9YAS (Has anyone seen my tagline? It was here yesterday. I seem to have misplaced it.)
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To: The_Media_never_lie

What’s worse is that it will go unchallenged by American citizens.

In fact this will likely be cheered.


48 posted on 06/19/2014 8:43:49 AM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: chessplayer

IT people know this is a lie. They may destroy HER hard drive, but those emails are in several other places. Things don’t just disappear once they are put on the Internet.

They think everyone is stupid enough to believe their outlright lies.

Well, it has worked in the past.

It worked with the computer wordprocesser birth certificate.

Con after con after con after con. And they get away with it because they can.


49 posted on 06/19/2014 8:44:45 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: chessplayer
B S
50 posted on 06/19/2014 8:45:04 AM PDT by kcvl
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