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Lois Lerner Emails: Nothing Digital Ever Dies
RealClearPolitics ^ | June 19, 2014 | Carl M. Cannon

Posted on 06/19/2014 8:40:21 AM PDT by Kenny

Edited on 06/19/2014 8:44:22 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

In 2007, while co-writing a magazine piece with Silicon Valley author and entrepreneur Michael S. Malone on best Information Age practices for politicians, I coined a phrase Malone instantly dubbed “the Cannon Codicil.”

Postulating that electronic messages, like diamonds, last for forever, Cannon’s codicil simply holds that “Nothing digital ever dies.”


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
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“The Obama administration’s claim that the IRS has ‘lost’ two years of Lois Lerner’s emails is implausible to anyone who understands how email systems work,” writes conservative attorney John Hinderaker, a Claremont Institute fellow. “The Obama administration is lying, and lying in a remarkably transparent way.”

Congress should get someone like Hinderaker to consult and sort through this mess. They don't have the knowledge and I'm willing to bet their IT people don't either.

1 posted on 06/19/2014 8:40:21 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: Kenny
“The Obama administration is lying, and lying in a remarkably transparent way.”

That's part of the fun for them. /S

"There--in yo' face! The administration plays basketball.

2 posted on 06/19/2014 8:44:50 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Kenny

Exactly!


3 posted on 06/19/2014 8:46:01 AM PDT by kcvl
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To: Kenny
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4 posted on 06/19/2014 8:46:48 AM PDT by MtnMan101
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To: Kenny
Say it LOUDER!!

This is becoming farcical...are there NO competent people in Congress??? Or are their hands tied somehow?! Get a geek, for heaven's sake, SHEESH!

5 posted on 06/19/2014 8:46:59 AM PDT by 88keys (broken glass GOP; it matters, replace the Dems. 2014!!)
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To: Kenny

Unless the IRS servers had multiple simultaneous catastrophic failures, those emails still exist and the IRS is just flat out lying because they KNOW that Lerner’s emails lead all the way to the White House.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 8:48:30 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Haven't you lost enough freedoms? Support an end to the WOD now.)
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To: Kenny

It takes quite a bit of tenacity and intelligence to setup an enterprise email solution. I spent over 6 hours setting up Postfix and Dovecot in my home Linux environment to run my own email setup. A robust Exchange environment takes a couple days to configure and test assuming you have all the hardware and networking components in place.

This sort of configuration, a cross-continental government setup with hundreds of nodes and thousands of employees would require an army of IT specialists in networking, servers, storage, and operating systems with several hundred hours of setup, testing, support, administration, etc. I have no doubt in my mind that there are people in government IT who know this is false but value a paycheck over the truth.


7 posted on 06/19/2014 8:48:43 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Kenny

“Thrown away” actually means in a top secret, maximum security vault somewhere.

No Leftist would trust such damning evidence to be forever hidden in a publicly accessible landfill or waste containment center.


8 posted on 06/19/2014 8:52:11 AM PDT by fwdude (The last time the GOP ran an "extremist," Reagan won 44 states.)
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To: Kenny

Throw the ENTIRE leadership of the IRS into the slammer for knowingly destroying evidence....


9 posted on 06/19/2014 8:53:18 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

The next Republican in the WH had better bring a toilet plunger...


10 posted on 06/19/2014 8:54:50 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: Pearls Before Swine

This is what the leftist “base” wants.

Stick it to conservatives, YT, etc, and do it in a way that is transparently aggressive and blatant.


11 posted on 06/19/2014 8:56:20 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: rarestia

Maybe a tea party PAC shoudl raise the dough to setup anyone who can retrieve such infro from the IRS conmputers a lifetime retirement in luxury ie. about 10 million bucks.

Or put a $1,000 bounty of every unique e-mail from Lois Lerner in the time frame the E-mails were supposedly lost...

And add a bonus of $10,000 to every additional 100 e-mails retrived...


12 posted on 06/19/2014 8:56:41 AM PDT by GraceG
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To: Kenny

What these idiot Republicans do realize, is a long concerted effort was giving to removing all traces by whatever means necessary. The last step was destruction of the physical devices.

That is why they stonewalled, to give them time to clean it up. It may not be gone for good, and some items may turn up but it will ba far in the future. The smoking guns are gone.

It could turn up in a cache somewhere but those are short lived. The repositories are gone.


13 posted on 06/19/2014 9:04:06 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Kenny

It is possible to make email messages disappear forever. I say that as one who has configured mail servers to be impervious to computer forensics. Its actually not all that hard though it comes with some risks.

However the government is mandated to keep its records and have backups. This is why the IRS issue stinks.


14 posted on 06/19/2014 9:04:20 AM PDT by Starwolf
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To: Kenny

They are lying, and will get away with it because of a brain-dead ignorant American public and a compliant media.


15 posted on 06/19/2014 9:04:29 AM PDT by I want the USA back (Media: completely irresponsible. Complicit in the destruction of this country.)
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To: Kenny

NSA has all of the emails.


16 posted on 06/19/2014 9:05:41 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Kenny

Hinderaker, a founder of the powerlineblog.com, is a very good writer and reporter as well as a lawyer. This statement come from yesterday’s Powerline.

We are fortunate in Minnesota to have him as he also uncovers things in Minnesota politics that are ‘not kosher’.


17 posted on 06/19/2014 9:06:43 AM PDT by Gumdrop (~)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

This is the stuff that leads some to conclude that violence is the only remedy.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 9:07:09 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: fwdude
No Leftist would trust such damning evidence to be forever hidden in a publicly accessible landfill or waste containment center.

Especially if you need those emails to keep your pawns in line.

19 posted on 06/19/2014 9:09:39 AM PDT by Kenny
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To: MrB

I could see how some could think that.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 9:10:50 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: MrB
This is what the leftist “base” wants.

Correct-o. One pair of my in-laws are rabid Dems. The guy, although a lazy shirker, does know something about IT. His attitude would be that "of course the emails aren't lost, but this is in a good cause." Then he'd go on about how heartless Republicans are, and how Dems have a heart. And, then he'd check to see what benefits he was eligible for.

21 posted on 06/19/2014 9:12:28 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

JFK thought that, for one...

Those who make non-violent revolution impossible (ie, block all non-violent means of correcting gov’t corruption)
make violent revolution inevitable.

_I’m_ certainly not calling for it, I’m just warning those who are making it inevitable that it is, indeed, inevitable.


22 posted on 06/19/2014 9:13:08 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

> The smoking guns are gone.

Have no doubt that somebody, somewhere, kept a copy for self insurance purpose.


23 posted on 06/19/2014 9:14:03 AM PDT by glorgau
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To: rarestia

I can just hear the supervisors talking to the IT people ... “Look, but don’t look too hard!”

They got the message!


24 posted on 06/19/2014 9:14:49 AM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: GraceG
Throw the ENTIRE leadership of the IRS into the slammer for knowingly destroying evidence

That would be a real good crisis. What ordinary taxpaying US citizen would object to throwing the entire IRS leadership in jail?

25 posted on 06/19/2014 9:17:23 AM PDT by grania
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To: Star Traveler

I was put into a situation like this a while back when I was an Exchange administrator. We had an executive who was caught with kiddie porn on his laptop and was summarily fired. Our manager was very good friends with the guy. When HR came around asking for email records, I was put into a situation where my direct manager asked me to “take my time,” while HR was going ballistic over the possibility that the records were “lost.”

We provided a report that showed the record range they wanted was in offsite storage. They requested the backups, and we reanimated the data and provided it to HR. Our manager resigned 2 days later before the bombshell came out that the two of them were running a child pornography website from the corporate network.

Those were an interesting couple of months.


26 posted on 06/19/2014 9:24:07 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Kenny

How about a subpoena for all email accounts of everyone Lerner sent an email to, and all those accounts holders that sent an email to Lerner.

There are two copies of every email, one in the originators account, and one in the recipients account. Subpoena the non-Lerner account copies of the emails in question.


27 posted on 06/19/2014 9:34:51 AM PDT by Sergio (An object at rest cannot be stopped! - The Evil Midnight Bomber What Bombs at Midnight)
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To: Kenny

Nothing digital ever dies? Try finding a copy or clip of that news coverage story of the first Clinton campaign that included video of Clinton with his hand between the stewardess’ legs. Down the wormhole it went.


28 posted on 06/19/2014 9:44:25 AM PDT by jdub (A patriot must always be ready to defend his country against his government.)
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To: Sergio

If I were Lois Lerner, I would stay far away from Fort Marcy ppark.


29 posted on 06/19/2014 9:45:53 AM PDT by dblshot (I am John Galt.)
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To: Sergio
How about a subpoena for all email accounts of everyone Lerner sent an email to...

That's the problem. We don't know for sure who she sent email to outside of the IRS (although we suspect).

30 posted on 06/19/2014 9:48:31 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I rather doubt they are totally gone. If true, there is likely a team of savvy geeks who know the truth as well as a “trail” somewhere (work orders etc). Also, highly likely someone nabbed a copy as someone noted below.


31 posted on 06/19/2014 9:58:39 AM PDT by cerberus
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To: Pearls Before Swine
"of course the emails aren't lost, but this is in a good cause."

There's always an excuse for the criminality. And people who support the excuses.

In the Soviet Union, Lenin's excuse for the police state was that "freedom is so precious it must be rationed".

In Nazi Germany the excuse for hassling the Jews was that they "were just trying to improve society".

There's always an excuse.


32 posted on 06/19/2014 10:01:32 AM PDT by canuck_conservative (Congrats Spurs, #5 !!)
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To: grania

It was not suddenly bred.
It will not swiftly abate.
Through the chilled years ahead,
When Time shall count from the date
That the English began to hate.


33 posted on 06/19/2014 10:03:19 AM PDT by BryMer13
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To: GraceG

Congress spent how many billions developing the Obamacare medical exchange websites for the feds and each state. Surely they can find some IT support contractor to do this. Just about every federal installation I’m familiar with has and IT contractor services 24/7.

When I was in private practice our company’s entire network system crashed which held emails and all project files. It cost the company $100,000 and took a month but those guys came in and started from scratch restoring basic services first and the more complex ones came later. WE never lost one file!

The original network was setup by a self professed IT specialist who had started with the company when they first moved to the computer age and the system was developed over a number of years and as the each new version of software came out he would have to figure out his previous mess so it could take the new programming all unbeknownst to management because it was all black box stuff. Then he quit and took a job with the University of Washington and within a month with no one there to keep it together the wheels came off.

Since then I have made it a point to direct my IT staff to develop manuals to prevent this from ever happening again and so they can trace where the problem may occur without having to bring in the outside consultants.


34 posted on 06/19/2014 10:05:56 AM PDT by shotgun
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To: Kenny
Another "they don't get it" article. As usual, the conservatives have the facts, logic, and competence in our favor and we make an articulate and intelligent argument.

And we get our asses kicked.

Unless the GOP is willing to play hardball and put Lerner and many of her accomplices in jail, then nothing will happen. Nothing may happen even if they do that.

35 posted on 06/19/2014 10:20:30 AM PDT by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Kenny

This one of those lies that they think if they tell it long enough through the mouths of enough mindless people like the Senator from Utah then people they hope will believe it.


36 posted on 06/19/2014 10:41:51 AM PDT by Uncle Chip
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To: Kenny
“Nothing digital ever dies.”

A former employee found that out the hard way. The IT experts found his deleted emails on our servers. Nothing but porn emails on a government server. Needless to say, he got a #12 boot up his posterior and out the door he went.

37 posted on 06/19/2014 11:36:01 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (The Second Amendment is NOT about the right to hunt. It IS a right to shoot tyrants.)
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To: glorgau

Gone in the sense of College transcripts and birth records. When they surface it won’t matter anyway.


38 posted on 06/19/2014 12:49:39 PM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

[ The next Republican in the WH had better bring a toilet plunger... ]

No No No..... They better call in the local Roto Rooter and if that fails chuck a quarter stick of dynmite down the toilet and run like hell....


39 posted on 06/19/2014 12:50:15 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: Kenny

bookmark


40 posted on 06/19/2014 3:07:54 PM PDT by GOP Poet
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To: fwdude
“Thrown away” actually means in a top secret, maximum security vault somewhere.

Like that one in the last scene of "Raiders of the Lost Ark?"

41 posted on 06/19/2014 4:24:54 PM PDT by JoeFromSidney (Book: Resistance to Tyranny. Buy from Amazon.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“The next Republican in the WH had better bring a toilet plunger...”

What on Earth makes you think that another Republican is going to occupy the White House?


42 posted on 06/19/2014 4:29:04 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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