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Gen. Hayden: The State of Iraq Is Gone
NewsMax ^ | 18 Jun 2014 | Bill Hoffmann and Melissa Clyne

Posted on 06/19/2014 3:34:39 PM PDT by xzins

The country of Iraq is, for all intents and purposes, dead and has been replaced by three successor states, former CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden told Newsmax TV Wednesday.

"The state of Iraq as we know it is gone, and it's not going to be reconstituted," he told "The Steve Malzberg Show."

"We've got three successor states there now," Hayden, a retired four star Air Force general added. "As much as we might look for opportunities to keep Iraq together, we need to be prepared for the reality that it's not going to stay together.

"We should snuggle up comfortable with the Kurds in Kurdistan, who have always been pro-American and actually have a functioning society and state right now.

We should give help to the Maliki government, sufficient to settle the current conflict so it just doesn't turn into a humanitarian disaster," Hayden said.

"For example, there's fighting around Beiji right now, the oil refinery north of Baghdad. Baghdad needs that for that part of the country to survive, and so we've got to settle the lines of this conflict in a way that Nouri al-Maliki's surviving state, which I'll call Shiastan, has Beiji within it.

"Then we've got Sunnistan, and that's the state under the control of ISIS right now, and frankly, we've got to treat that as if it were a safe haven for terrorists and begin to think about it the way we had thought about Waziristan for the last decade-plus. That's a tough message, and I'm afraid that's where we are.

"Now we're at a point where we really don't have good options," Hayden told Malzberg.

Hayden said "Sunnistan" consists of western Iraq and eastern Syria. "There is no border now," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...


TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: general; hayden; iraqcrisis; isis; kurds

1 posted on 06/19/2014 3:34:39 PM PDT by xzins
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“We should snuggle up comfortable with the Kurds in Kurdistan, who have always been pro-American and actually have a functioning society and state right now.


2 posted on 06/19/2014 3:35:03 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Yep.


3 posted on 06/19/2014 3:35:43 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: gov_bean_ counter

Iraq was an artificial construct by the British, in 1918.

Like Yugoslavia, it hung together only while there was a ruthless strongman in charge.

It’s demise was inevitable without a strongman.


4 posted on 06/19/2014 3:38:08 PM PDT by CondorFlight (I)
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To: xzins

This is exactly the thing Bush promised the Arabs would not happen. Turkey feared Kurdistan. Saudi’s feared a new Shiastan. Everybody else feared a new Sunistan. Now, everybody’s fears have appeared and then some.

On the good side, they’ll be fighting each other over the oil for a long time to come. On the bad side, somebody will be selling the oil that they get and will at some point be very rich and very radicalized.


5 posted on 06/19/2014 3:39:16 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: xzins

Convert Sunnistan into the state of ExxonMobilstan. Pump it dry then return it to the hoards.


6 posted on 06/19/2014 3:41:18 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: CondorFlight

Obama supported this group when it was in Syria, part of the so-called rebels fighting Assad.

I’ve wondered if Obama would like to see them become Iraq’s ‘strongman’ again. Push Hillary’s famous ‘reset’ button and go back to Sunni Hussein dictating for the entire area. (Most of Indonesia is Sunni, btw. I wonder if we should factor that into our consideration of Obama’s thoughts? Especially in light of his obeisance to the King of Mecca who also is Sunni.)


7 posted on 06/19/2014 3:42:23 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Had it been split in the beginning, we could have saved many lives and trillions. Which is why many wanted it that way from the start.

Keeping a country together by force always ends this way. Many here in America should have a good look at their future thanks to the even split we have.

Sucks. But it is what it is.


8 posted on 06/19/2014 3:43:33 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Gen.Blather

Had a poster last week explain that the Turks don’t like the communist Kurd terror group the PKK, but that they do like this group in Iraq, and he gave their initials but I forget them....something like GKP???


9 posted on 06/19/2014 3:44:33 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
Then we've got Sunnistan, and that's the state under the control of ISIS right now, and frankly, we've got to treat that as if it were a safe haven for terrorists

We should call it Obamistan.

10 posted on 06/19/2014 3:46:11 PM PDT by T Ruth (Islam shall be defeated.)
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To: xzins

“Then we’ve got SUNNISTAN...we’ve go to treat that as if it were a safe haven for terrorists”

Just another foreign policy accomplishment of Barack Obama. ben laden never offered up that kind of threat. “Sunnistan” just came into possession of half a billion dollars to finance their terrorism.


11 posted on 06/19/2014 3:47:16 PM PDT by odawg
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To: Gen.Blather

au contraire’, my FRiend. Turkey couldn’t be more pleased - and, in a when-pigs-fly policy change, are embracing a Kurdish state:

http://time.com/2898883/iraq-turkey-kurd-isis/


12 posted on 06/19/2014 3:48:33 PM PDT by blueplum
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To: xzins

Turkey will never allow a Kurdistan on its border. The PKK still represents a threat despite the recent cease fire. They want to unite with the Kurds in Turkey and Iran.


13 posted on 06/19/2014 3:49:01 PM PDT by kabar
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To: xzins

Barack Hussein Obama will fly in on a magic carpet towing a “Mission Accomplished” banner


14 posted on 06/19/2014 3:52:25 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Gen.Blather
Turkey feared Kurdistan.

Turkey had no skin in the game and they refused to allow the US to drive an armor assault across the Turkish border. Therefore their desires should have been ignored.

15 posted on 06/19/2014 3:53:52 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: odawg

MORE boots on the ground: Obama to send up to 300 military advisers to Iraq to train forces days after deploying 275 Marines to protect Baghdad embassy

By Francesca Chambers and David Martosko

Published: 11:31 EST, 19 June 2014 | Updated: 14:35 EST, 19 June 2014

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2662759/MORE-boots-ground-Obama-expected-send-100-Green-Berets-Iraq-train-forces-days-deploying-275-Marines-protect-Baghdad-embassy.html#ixzz3581vmJHQ


16 posted on 06/19/2014 3:54:48 PM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: justa-hairyape

Turkey has gone into Iraq multiple times to pursue the PKK. They could care less what the US thinks or does when it comes to the Kurds. They will do what is best in their national interests. And we can’t do a thing about it.


17 posted on 06/19/2014 3:58:06 PM PDT by kabar
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To: blueplum

“au contraire’, my FRiend. Turkey couldn’t be more pleased - and, in a when-pigs-fly policy change, are embracing a Kurdish state:”

I read that and I flat don’t believe it. Nearly half of the proposed Kurdistan lies inside the present borders of Turkey. The Turks have essentially been in a low-grade civil war for decades. An actual, official Kurdish state, the current leaders of which are actively hostile to Turkey and supporting their own local anti-Turk terrorists is unthinkable to the Turks.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 3:59:29 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: outofsalt
“Convert Sunnistan into the state of ExxonMobilstan. Pump it dry then return it to the hoards.”

Same should’ve been done with every oil rich Middle Eastern hellhole on the day oil was discovered. Look at the mess the anti-colonial bleeding hearts created.

We gave savages technical knowledge and piles of treasure which they used for terrorist attacks and to subvert our media and government. All to force us to submit to their war/death cult known as Islam. Now they build mile high buildings and run luxury airlines while we get groped to fly in a cattle car because of their fanatics.

19 posted on 06/19/2014 4:01:48 PM PDT by varyouga
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To: Norm Lenhart

“Had it been split in the beginning, we could have saved many lives and trillions.”

As a Senator, Biden suggested that.

What will happen is the state of Shiastan will be incorporated into Iran. Sunnistan might as well be called Alqueadastan. Kurdistan will be the most stable as long as the Turks and Iranians stay out.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 4:02:08 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Gen.Blather

see #9


21 posted on 06/19/2014 4:02:15 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

“Sunnistan” should be divided into Eastern and Western Glassistan.


22 posted on 06/19/2014 4:05:20 PM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: justa-hairyape

“Therefore their desires should have been ignored. “

I could not agree more, but Bush had difficult realities to fancy-foot around. One is that Turkey is a member of NATO. Another is we have permanent bases there. Still another issue was not further enflaming all the other stuff going on to which Turkey is a party. I think he did what he could. Also, he left significant forces at sea off Turkey and probably got the word through the intel circles that Turkey was trying to get Saddam to shift his northern forces to Kuwait. The Turks probably helped in that, as they had no love for Saddam.

Turkey is trying to re-vamp the Ottoman empire. They are not friends of the other Arabs in the neighborhood and still may play a significant role in Iraq and Syria.

We do cooperate intel-wise with Turkey. Though at this point I wouldn’t share much sensitive stuff with them after what they did to Israel. (Wiped out Israel’s in-place Iranian team by telling the Iranians who they were. Israel and Turkey used to be close when Turkey was secular. The Israelis were meeting their team members in Turkey.)


23 posted on 06/19/2014 4:06:24 PM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

If only he’d had known that a great big ZerØ would follow him. His promiss might have been kept.

As for your last: Drill baby, drill! And keep it in country. No exports! No imports either. Let’s throw the oil market into a tizzy.


24 posted on 06/19/2014 4:08:07 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: xzins

All exactly according to obama’s masters plan.


25 posted on 06/19/2014 4:10:30 PM PDT by sport
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To: EQAndyBuzz

Perhaps his one correct idea and he was probably repeating it anyway.

One principle should guide this mess. Water seeks its own level and sometimes a dam can’t stop it.


26 posted on 06/19/2014 4:12:22 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: AFreeBird

>No exports! No imports either.<

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Ha! American oil producers would NEVER agree with that decision.

You have the welfare of America in mind, they have their own welfare (stockholders) in mind.

Stocks have to go up, up, up! And you can’t do that without exports.


27 posted on 06/19/2014 4:49:21 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: 353FMG

Yea, well. Speaking as an American, I do have our wealfare in mind. And no, I wouldn’t expect TPTB to follow such a path. At least not the current bunch of traitors.

We gotta start somewhere, everywhere, and keep hammering them the same - better - than they’ve been hammering us.

We’re running out of civil options.


28 posted on 06/19/2014 5:03:25 PM PDT by AFreeBird
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To: xzins

The Communist group is the PKK, or KGK, depending on what translation you use, they operate on the Turkish/Iraqi Border, launching attacks into Turkey. The major Iraqi Kurdish groups are the KDP (Kurdish Democratic Party) and the PUK (Patriotic Union of Kurdistan) They are the dominant Kurdish political factions controlling Northern Iraq.

The Iraqi Kurdish Government has allowed for several years limited Turkish incursions into their territory for the Turks to target the PKK, as neither side particularly likes them.


29 posted on 06/19/2014 5:29:30 PM PDT by PVT4evr ((Operation Iraqi Freedom 2007-2008, 2009-2010 3rd Infantry, 2010 2nd Infantry))
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To: xzins

read this insight into our Muslim dictators agenda

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/08/is-obama-sunni-or-shia-muslim.html


30 posted on 06/19/2014 5:34:41 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: odawg

http://lamecherry.blogspot.com/2010/08/is-obama-sunni-or-shia-muslim.html

this blog nailed him yearscago.

Old Barry is a Sunni terrorist plant alright and he is intentionally giving them Iraqi !


31 posted on 06/19/2014 5:39:50 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: varyouga

Amen, brother!


32 posted on 06/19/2014 5:41:29 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: T Ruth
"We should call it Obamistan."
Obamastain?
33 posted on 06/19/2014 5:43:15 PM PDT by outofsalt
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To: xzins

Ya think? I felt it was gone a long time ago. But it just took time to become real news.


34 posted on 06/19/2014 5:44:18 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (MARANATHA, MARANATHA, Come quickly LORD Jesus!!! Father send thy Son!! Its Time!)
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To: Gen.Blather

Time for a non-interventionist policy: not because we oppose interventionism, but because the people cannot be trusted to vote in a POTUS who will follow thru on predecessor’s interventions. Better nobody expect such involvement, than to rely on it only to have an Obama abandon them.

Just a thought.


35 posted on 06/19/2014 5:53:11 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ("If they bring a knife to the fight, we bring a gun" - Obama, setting RoE with his opposition)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I can see a split but the crooks and gimmees will be “dead broke”.


36 posted on 06/19/2014 7:39:02 PM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall pass.")
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To: KeyLargo

How are they to train folks to fight when their professional military armed with the best of everything and unlimited ammo just dropped their armaments and equipment and ran. Those that surrendered or were identified on the run were unceremoniously machine gunned in ditches. VN rule applies: If they won’t fight for their country they are not worth fighting for.


37 posted on 06/19/2014 7:49:47 PM PDT by mcshot (..."And this too shall pass.")
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To: xzins

“The country of Iraq is, for all intents and purposes, dead and has been replaced by three successor states, former CIA director Gen. Michael Hayden told Newsmax TV Wednesday. “

Neither he nor the rest of the intel community saw this coming, but they continue to be pretty good at stating the obvious after it’s already happened.


38 posted on 06/19/2014 7:57:01 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: mcshot

Obama has painted a target on the backs of those brave men that he has sent to Iraq. Think The 300 who fought bravely and well against enormous odds, yet they all were killed in the end.

39 posted on 06/20/2014 5:16:22 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: xzins

Adios Iraq and hello to Kurdistan, Shiastan and Sunnistan.

“The state of Iraq as we know it is gone, and it’s not going to be reconstituted,” he told “The Steve Malzberg Show.”

“We’ve got three successor states there now,” Hayden, a retired four star Air Force general added. “As much as we might look for opportunities to keep Iraq together, we need to be prepared for the reality that it’s not going to stay together.

“We should snuggle up comfortable with the Kurds in Kurdistan, who have always been pro-American and actually have a functioning society and state right now.

We should give help to the Maliki government, sufficient to settle the current conflict so it just doesn’t turn into a humanitarian disaster,” Hayden said.

“For example, there’s fighting around Beiji right now, the oil refinery north of Baghdad. Baghdad needs that for that part of the country to survive, and so we’ve got to settle the lines of this conflict in a way that Nouri al-Maliki’s surviving state, which I’ll call Shiastan, has Beiji within it.

“Then we’ve got Sunnistan, and that’s the state under the control of ISIS right now, and frankly, we’ve got to treat that as if it were a safe haven for terrorists and begin to think about it the way we had thought about Waziristan for the last decade-plus. That’s a tough message, and I’m afraid that’s where we are.

Hayden said “Sunnistan” consists of western Iraq and eastern Syria. “There is no border now,” he said.

Our Sunni Potus must be very happy.


40 posted on 06/20/2014 12:56:30 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni WonDoer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: xzins

Three state solution is a joke, just as Joe Biden who suggested that nonsense.


41 posted on 06/20/2014 2:52:49 PM PDT by Oliviaforever
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To: Oliviaforever

Joe Biden was not the one that suggested that idea. It far pre-dates Joe Biden and was widely discussed on Free Republic long before Joe Biden.

It is “Iraq” that makes no sense. It was a map carve-out by the British after the Ottomans chose the wrong side in WWI. It ignored people groups.

Iraq is NOT an ancient country. It dates back only til right after WWI.


42 posted on 06/20/2014 3:00:37 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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