Posted on 06/19/2014 7:08:51 PM PDT by Innovative
Republicans are still pressing the Obama administration to find missing emails from former IRS official Lois Lerner and six other IRS personnel, but the White House insists they are not recoverable.
"As the IRS said, I.T. professionals worked to restore Lerner's hard drive and were unable to do so," White House spokesman Jay Carney said.
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Bump
Isn’t there one, honest Federal IT person who will come forward and outline how the average IRS administrator’s email archives are maintained daily, weekly and monthly?
2 years’ worth gone missing- really??
1) User email has never been stored on a PC hard drive except for backup. You have always had to manually set your email reader to download emails. This is an archaic model to say the least. On all modern systems, email is stored on the server and sometimes (more often than not) cached on the PC so you have limited functionality when you have no network connection. On typical systems, when you delete an email, it is deleted from the server.
- On most email servers, when a user deletes an email, it is recoverable for usually 30 days. This is a typical setting for MS Exchange servers and it is the most common email server in use today.
- The US Government is required to archive and keep emails for accountability purposes. What this means is they must keep ALL emails for a given length of time (I'm not sure what the mandate is). There are software platforms designed just FOR this purpose. This software works as a wedge on your email server and sends copies of every email to the archive... out of the reach of the user. These emails can only be deleted by a system admin delegated with such privileges.
- I haven't seen a email server is YEARS that had a hard drive (singular) in it. today (and as with the case with the US government), servers have no hard drives in them. These servers are attached to a centralized storage platform via fibre channel, iscsi or other odd protocols. In these storage platforms, disks are built in RAID arrays consisting of MANY (sometimes thousands) of disks. The RAID concept stores strips or parity of data across all drives so in the event a drive or multiple drives fail, the data is redundant. The drives can be swapped out hot and the system rebuilds the lost strips or parity back to a normal state. this is a regular and common occurrence. I replace at LEAST one dead drive every single day in my arrays and SAN platforms and I've never lost one single bit of data.
- Backups: We know the email is stored on an email server. In this case, a CLUSTER of servers. This means that even if one or two servers completely crash and lost their data, the others remain online in the cluster and contain the redundant data. These are also backups up to backup media. In the old days, it was backed up to tapes. In todays world, that is too expensive and inconvenient. Data is backed up to other SAN or storage platforms and almost ALWAYS in a remote data center for disaster recovery purposes.
Her's the simple fact: that data was purposefully scrubbed, or they still have it. In either case, they are a) lying or b) need to be arrested on the spot. There is NO WAY those emails were lost in a crash. There are far too many redundancies in the systems... it would have to be a concerted and coordinated effort to get rid of the data... things are so redundant these days,, data is kinda like herpes... it's hard to get rid of... most especially in a government data center running redundant server clusters, offside replication and hard-core SAN platforms. They are flat-out lying and I'd bet my reputation on it.
It would sure perk up my ears if I were a tax attorney looking for a line of defense for my clients having trouble with the IRS.
Maybe it’s time to try a different strategy. IRS has a disaster recovery play, have to. If Congress could get off their asses and ask for that plan before it’s rewritten then they would know where the offsite backups and archives are kept.
Just a thought.
“...that data was purposefully scrubbed, or they still have it.”
Absolutely. It has to be one or the other.
What really disturbs me here is how brazen the administration has become, repeating their preposterous “crashed and thrown out hard drive” excuse and seemingly daring Congress to try to do anything about it.
I had the same feeling when the D.O.J. went after Dinesh D’Souza. We are being blatantly mocked.
Ya need a special prosecutor to shake these crooks. As soon as they have to start hiring lawyers they will start chirping
They do this on purpose. They like it stupid and messy. All Federal drones do/// This works out for them much better!!!!!
yes we are being probed tested and MOCKED!!!! Made asses of!!!
The Obama BS is laughable.
Hard drives are rated to work for 100,000 to million hours between failures, or ‘Mean Time Before Failure,’ which is like a decade of life to 100 years.
These IRS server drives are likely in Redundant Arrays of Inexpensive Disks(RAID), some type of configuration or stripping. If one drive goes down in the RAID, it would be replaced and the data would be rebuilt or created from the other unaffected drives in the RAID. Furthermore, the IRS should have some type of other backup system besides replacing failed drives. So I’ve heard that the IRS say they lost the Emails from six other IRS employees? LoL.
The chances of losing 2 years of Email data from 6 employees is beyond ‘astronomical’ That’s something like 1 to the googlelex or having your computer compute the last prime number.
dittos and I am not an IT genius.... But the IRS and other governmental agencies like to keep it sloppy and stupid. They know how to make this work for them and it does.
IOW these monkeys do not behave in IT like a normal responsible private sector business
They should also find out which Gmail/Yahoo addresses she was using and subpoena those records.
Well, you would just have to export and mount the snapshots from the array, and then searching for the email... Minutes really..
If you deleted all the emails you sent to everyone since the first of the year would not a copy still exist on the machine and mail servers of those that received them.?
There are still copies of these emails as surely as once a pic or mp3 hits the Internet it has a "forever" life in the DIGITAL world because there will always be a copy residing somewhere.
- MS Exchange (the IRS email platform) stores email in a database. There are no individual files for user email that exist on the server. In fact, all versions of Exchange since the old 2003 release now use MS SQL... meaning the email isn't even stored on the email server. What this means is that even IF all those redundant and backup systems didn't exist, when this EHEM.. "crash" occurred, hundreds or even thousands of other users would have also lost all of their email in this so-called "crash". This would have been a huge incident that would not go unnoticed until now, that much I can assure you.
You don’t even need a hard drive to check you exchange mail. Do it from my phone all the time. OWA totally destroys this lie.
Likely so, or even was fabricated to show or a false alibi if Lerner's drive went down, but it is misdirection, and a red herring by OBots.
Lerner's 'puter is a'Client' in the Client-Server architecture or network. What we want to know is what's on the Servers and what's in the IRS backup data.
I’d arrest EVERY IT person working for the IRS and charge them with obstruction of justice. Someone will squeal and produce.
Then I’d fire them all and bankrupt them in court.
Regardless, erasing or recycling or whatever is ILLEGAL!
Arrest them all and make them sweat and bankrupt them in court. F them. I don’t care about their livelyhood or families. They don’t care about us.
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