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New Jersey waterways flooded by millions of pounds of chemicals, report says
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Posted on 06/19/2014 8:39:20 PM PDT by chessplayer

PAULSBORO — Standing in the shadow of the Paulsboro Refining Company and right next to the Delaware River, representatives from Environment New Jersey and Mom's Clean Air Force released a report showing millions of pounds of chemicals have been released into the state's waterways.

Approximately 206 million pounds of toxic chemicals, from ammonia and phenol to zinc, sodium nitrate and hydrogen sulfide, were released into waterways in the United States in 2012, according to the report, with 5.862 million of those pounds being in New Jersey — making it the 14th highest in the country.

Maureen Cervantes, a lifelong Paulsboro resident, discussed her personal experiences with environmental problems stemming from pollution in the borough. From breathing problems in her family to destroyed property due to chemical releases, she has seen the issues Paulsboro residents face when it comes to the industry in town.

"I have trees that die, I can't plant things in my backyard, nothing will grow but weeds," she said.

(Excerpt) Read more at nj.com ...


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Just imagine what companies would do if regulations were done away with like so many on the right want. Our lakes, rivers, and air would look like China's. But, hey, some paper with green ink splashed on it is more important than being able to breathe or drink clean water, right?
1 posted on 06/19/2014 8:39:20 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

Why don’t you just go plant a tree, or have relations with it..or something...


2 posted on 06/19/2014 8:41:35 PM PDT by Cold Heat (Have you reached your breaking point yet? If not now....then when?)
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To: chessplayer

Perhaps the EPA doesn’t realize that New Jersey is a state.


3 posted on 06/19/2014 8:47:06 PM PDT by Steely Tom (How do you feel about robbing Peter's robot?)
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To: chessplayer

There is a lot of heavy industry around Philadelphia. Paulsboro has a lot a tank farms.


4 posted on 06/19/2014 8:50:24 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: chessplayer
It doesn't seem like regulations are working.
5 posted on 06/19/2014 8:54:53 PM PDT by vigilante2 (Re-elect nobody)
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To: chessplayer
Wouldn't it be nice if when liberals got into office they actually acted according to their beliefs and supported those environmental activities and regulations that provided the most protection for the least amount of money in a cash-strapped economy.

Instead they behave no different than the Republicans giving subsidies and tax breaks to the well connected, enacting more legislation and regulations against those who can't fight, and reducing regulation against the rich and powerful that fuel their reelection campaigns.

Obama is a Goldman-Sachs shill. You know it and it must make you very angry and frustrated to see that even when the most perfect, the most liberal, the most compassionate candidate (from your perspective) finally becomes president, even he becomes a pawn of the crony capitalists.

Even Noam Chomsky has disowned the Campaigner-In-Chief. You should to. Free yourself from his spell.

6 posted on 06/19/2014 8:56:16 PM PDT by who_would_fardels_bear
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To: chessplayer

What? You never seen corruption before?

Don’t worry, those plants are staying within EPA guidelines. Our politicians aren’t going to lie to us about something so important?


7 posted on 06/19/2014 8:57:43 PM PDT by Bogey78O (We had a good run. Coulda been great still.)
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To: chessplayer

We have Obama and the EPA, so what went wrong with your liberal fantasy? Sounds like the regulation isn’t working according to this article.

What a joke. Don’t you know the liberals don’t give a damn about the environment? The Democrats are all about money and big business.


8 posted on 06/19/2014 8:58:32 PM PDT by Williams
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To: chessplayer
These chemical ‘hot spots’ exist all along the coast line (and inland) of what was the industrial northeast. Norwalk & Bridgeport, CT, parts of RI, and southeastern MA. Many of these areas are designated ‘cancer cluster zones’ for good reason. Very high cancer rates.
9 posted on 06/19/2014 9:05:00 PM PDT by BluH2o
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To: chessplayer

Liberals on the bus go “whine whine whine”.

Check your sources.


10 posted on 06/19/2014 9:07:59 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: Ray76

They don’t call it The Garbage State for nothing.

And I grew up there...


11 posted on 06/19/2014 9:11:30 PM PDT by Argus
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To: chessplayer

“Just imagine what companies would do if regulations were done away with like so many on the right want.”

Ok DU poster; I’ll answer your question you were given at your last Earth First meeting.
I don’t know of any on the right who want to “do away” with all regulations.

But you probably don’t realize that the EPA is making up random regulations that have nothing to do with any safety issues. The EPA wants to kill the coal industry and are acting to do it. With no votes being taken by our elected representatives; are you in favor of that?

The EPA is turning it’s sights on agriculture next. They are trying to regulate dust being produced by normal field operations such as harvest; are you in favor of that?

And on and on.

Are you in favor of of your President directing his EPA to do huge chunks of things like this outside of the Congressional lawmaking process? By regulatory edict; instead of bring voted on by our elected representatives.


12 posted on 06/19/2014 9:11:48 PM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: chessplayer

When the weeds stop growing, it’s time to get worried.


13 posted on 06/19/2014 9:12:39 PM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: chessplayer

A whole lot of it is reported to be dihydrogen monoxide.


14 posted on 06/19/2014 9:13:05 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: HereInTheHeartland
Are you in favor of of your President directing his EPA to do huge chunks of things like this outside of the Congressional lawmaking process? By regulatory edict; instead of bring voted on by our elected representatives.

Every new environmental regulation offered by the EPA should require the filing of an accompanying Economic Impact Report.

15 posted on 06/19/2014 9:21:33 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: Larry Lucido

And if you close the plant, how many people will be jobless?

The EPA set the guidelines. The plant is adhering to them.


17 posted on 06/19/2014 9:26:26 PM PDT by EQAndyBuzz ("Heck of a reset there, Hillary")
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To: Argus

Industry is power.


18 posted on 06/19/2014 9:27:08 PM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: chessplayer
Just imagine what companies would do if regulations were done away with like so many on the right want. Our lakes, rivers, and air would look like China's. But, hey, some paper with green ink splashed on it is more important than being able to breathe or drink clean water, right?

Because libraries of regulations stopped this......oh, wait.
19 posted on 06/19/2014 9:35:18 PM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: who_would_fardels_bear; chessplayer; All

I don’t know how things are on the west side of NJ, but on my frequent trips from Maryland to NY City 30 and 40 years ago, I can remember the thick stench of the Jersey Meadows and Secaucus. Haven’t noticed it that much in recent years.


20 posted on 06/19/2014 9:36:27 PM PDT by gleeaikin
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To: chessplayer

New Jersey?
21 posted on 06/19/2014 9:36:30 PM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: chessplayer
Why don’t you just go shove it up your stinking ass..or something.

IBTZ. You need to regulate your filthy mouth and quit attacking Conservatives who favor free enterprise.

The market, when it's not hampered by burdensome regulations from the likes of the NLRB, OSHA and the EPA, does just fine with the meddling from the government. Unions and the minimum wage leave corporations no choice but to cut a few small corners here and there. One the alphabet agencies are eliminated and confiscatory taxes abolished, corporations can then become good citizens, just as they were during the Coolidge and Reagan years.

22 posted on 06/19/2014 9:36:38 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: chessplayer

If people were REALLY concerned about the environment, they would want the EPA to relax the rules a bit (like yes, it is okay to drill or mine within 2 miles of a spotted owl’s nest, or your waste water does not need to be cleaner than the naturally mineralized river you are putting it into). This would promote more mining, manufacturing, drilling, etc. here in the U.S. where we have some pretty good rules. And less of it would go to China, Indonesia, etc. where the rules (if any) are really poor.

I used to work in NJ on hazardous waste sites years ago. I recall one EPA mandate was for something like 0.5 parts/million of some substance. Trouble was the labs could only measure to something like 1 ppm!

The EPA is like Unions. The EPA had its day in the seventies cleaning up the rivers, etc. so they would support fisheries, etc.; and the unions helped stop 8 year olds from working 18-hour days. But now they just go too far on everything.

BTW - it is a real struggle to even grow grass on my yard. (All the fir tree needles make it too acidic).


23 posted on 06/19/2014 9:37:17 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: Fledermaus

Liberals on the bus go “whine whine whine”.

Check your sources.


And thats the knee jerk reaction of libs when they see or hear something they don’t like. They say “check your sources.” Greed rules. It’s always been that way. I’m far from being a lefty, but I have the common sense to know that unbridled big business would strip mine every square inch of this country if they could get away with it. They don’t give a rats ass if their own children drink poisoned water or breathe filthy air. You think they care about yours? Theres a reason big business goes to China. They know the Chinese govt doesn’t care if their people don’t have clean water or air.


24 posted on 06/19/2014 9:37:57 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
Dude (Dudette?) - nowhere does this article infer or charge that this company is doing anything illegal. As a matter of fact, it references "legal pollution" so - your insipid beef is not with conservatives on this site but with the EPA being run by this administration.

I just wonder what else you disagree with this administration on? Do you agree that it's ok to use the IRS to go after whatever political party does not agree with the current party in power? Just imagine what parties would do if regulations were done away with like so many on the left want.

Oh - wait.....

26 posted on 06/19/2014 9:41:22 PM PDT by capydick (''Life's tough.......it's even tougher if you're stupid.'')
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To: chessplayer

I remember the good old days, back when the largest polluter was the US Defense Mapping Agency which dumped thousands of gallons of various inks into the Potomac River every day.


27 posted on 06/19/2014 9:43:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (Lost my tagline on Flight MH370. Sorry for the inconvenience.)
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To: chessplayer; Old Sarge; darkwing104; rabscuttle385; 50mm; Atom Smasher; 230FMJ; Aircop_2006; ...
Stay right there, and don't move a muscle. I haven't been party to a good zotting in soooooooomany years.......
28 posted on 06/19/2014 9:45:10 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Just because I'm paranoid, it doesn't mean I'm wrong.)
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To: BluH2o

Your very name implies that you tolerate dihydrogen monoxide in the water supply.


29 posted on 06/19/2014 9:45:45 PM PDT by Larry Lucido
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To: 21twelve

http://www.ucsusa.org/assets/documents/clean_energy/ew3/corn-ethanol-and-water-quality.pdf

A good article on the effects of going “green” by using ethanol.

Corn requires WAY MORE water and fertilizer than other crops. Fertilizer that ends up as unwanted nutrients in the rivers, lakes, and ocean. All sorts of other problems with ethanol of course.


30 posted on 06/19/2014 9:50:37 PM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: chessplayer

Get out of the Twilight Zone. You sound like a whiney liberal from the 1970’s.

Your a walking talking point of liberal crap. We’ve spent billions upon billions of dollars since those days and regulated the hell out of everything. If you have a problem with “millions of pounds of chemicals” then talk to the bureaucrats.

Or maybe wake up and read the BS. Define “chemicals”. Everything on Earth is made of chemicals.

I bet you’d sign a petition to ban dihydrogen monoxide because trillions of pounds of it are flooding our waterways. And it’s used to produce evil manufactured stuff.


31 posted on 06/19/2014 9:51:24 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Conservatives are all that's left to defend the Constitution. Dems hate it, and Repubs don't care.)
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To: Viking2002; chessplayer
Stay right there, and don't move a muscle. I haven't been party to a good zotting in soooooooomany years.......

Not only is the leftist who started this thread attacking good Conservatives with potty mouth phrases, but he (presuming chessplayer is that) also used the phrase "greed rules". That's straight of the lexicon of the OWS loonies.

32 posted on 06/19/2014 9:53:13 PM PDT by re_nortex (DP - that's what I like about Texas)
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To: Fledermaus

Define “chemicals”.


Define “define.”


35 posted on 06/19/2014 10:29:10 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer
I've recently been thinking that it would be good to start a business that does some scientific fact-checking on all these claims made by the enviro-nazis. After they hold one of these press conferences, which the media dutifully reports on without ever questioning any of the science, send in the team of "science busters" to test the water or whatever other claim the enviros are making to see if there is truth to what they say, or if it is the usual bunch of BS that they spew. Of course, making money from this venture is another matter altogether, but I'm personally at a point where I no longer believe anything coming from the Leftists and feel that something like this is needed.
36 posted on 06/19/2014 10:52:00 PM PDT by Major Matt Mason ("Journalism is dead. All news is suspect." - Noamie)
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To: chessplayer

IBTZ!

BTW, we already have soul crushing EPA regs up the ying yang. NJ river water should be sparkling clean yet we have this. Seems all your beloved big govt’ policies are letting you down.


38 posted on 06/19/2014 10:58:09 PM PDT by Lazlo in PA (American Motors....Where Quality Is Built In, Not Added On.)
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To: chessplayer

And this is new?


39 posted on 06/19/2014 11:00:35 PM PDT by Catmom (We're all gonna get the punishment only some of us deserve.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

BTW, we already have soul crushing EPA regs up the ying yang. NJ river water should be sparkling clean yet we have this.


Regs aren’t the problem. The problem is they aren’t enforced harshly enough. China has anti-pollution regs up the ying yang, but do they enforce them? NO! If the polluters in NJ were fined to the point where it actually hurt them in the wallet, perhaps they would stop. The honchos of these corporations can well afford to stop pollution and still live in the lap of luxury.


40 posted on 06/19/2014 11:19:17 PM PDT by chessplayer
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To: chessplayer

How ‘bout a “report” about the millions of turds “flooding” the Rio Grande?


41 posted on 06/19/2014 11:31:06 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: vigilante2

In some States, like Texas, the State covers up findings to pass EPA muster. It isn’t so much from man caused pollution as much as it is naturally occurring arsenic and radiation. The State was caught rounding numbers down.

One of the issues we’ve seen is regulation fostering an environment of lies. Regulations are not an effective method when they are written by politicians who care less about science and more about politics.

in other cases it fosters corruption like when Bush era Oil and Gas regulators were being bought off by industry. My fiance worked with a manager that was involved and had to testify in court over the parties, stripper, orgies, and gifts being lavished on inspectors who looked the other way.

The best system involves smart regulations with input from both industry, citizens, and politicians with a focus on common sense and accountability by all parties. Our current system has no middle ground which is why smart regulation seems like a fantasy. The media is one sided, gov is one sided, business has little ethics, and the citizens get caught in the middle. Either way we continue to lose. Dirty water or less freedom...

I look at the Monsanto case where they essentially poisoned the earth with plastic byproducts then covered it up. How do we encourage business to be honest? Reward them? Shame them with imprisonment and fines? What if the groups that are supposed to hold them accountable are just as crooked?


42 posted on 06/19/2014 11:40:59 PM PDT by drunknsage
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To: smokingfrog

I LIVE on the Delaware river. It is cleaner now than it has been for 100 years. Routinely swim here. Waterlilies and grass highly visible this time of the year at low tide. Most towns pull their drinking water from the river. Check the facts.


43 posted on 06/20/2014 12:14:17 AM PDT by aumrl (let's keep it real Conservatives)
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To: chessplayer

Isn’t the mob known to be strong in those areas? Doesn’t the mob specialize in waste industries? Can it be quite profitable for a truck hired to remove liquid industrial toxins from a business to do so and later that night park alongside a roadside ditch and empty its load?


44 posted on 06/20/2014 3:07:25 AM PDT by fso301
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To: 21twelve

You posted an article from the Union of Concerned Scientists. A radical leftist environmental group.


46 posted on 06/20/2014 4:40:30 AM PDT by HereInTheHeartland (Obama lied; our healthcare died.)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Thanks - funny how sometimes the leftists and the conservatives can find common ground some times (I’m thinking of the NSA, no-knock raids, etc.).

But truly - thanks for the info., as they will no doubt try to skew things. But over the years I have been reading about the problems with ethanol corn. It takes more energy to grow and distill the corn than it produces! And it requires a LOT of water (something like 100 gallons of water for one gallon of ethanol - not sure, but it is high! Includes the growing and the processing of it). And of course fields that were once used to grow food are now growing stuff to burn - so our food costs go up.

I was reading an article about the California drought. And then read an article on all of the subsidies so the farmers in CA are expanding their ethanol corn crops (which use tons of water). Crazy.


47 posted on 06/20/2014 4:47:21 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: HereInTheHeartland

Here’s an old article from some site put on by MIT regarding water and corn ethanol.

http://www.technologyreview.com/news/413002/measuring-corn-ethanols-thirst-for-water/

“Ethanol derived from corn consumes up to three times more water than previously thought, according to a new study.

Prior studies have estimated, based on national production averages, that one liter of corn-derived ethanol should require 263 to 784 liters of water to both grow the crop and convert it into fuel. Now, researchers at the University of Minnesota have concluded that the amount of water used in ethanol production varies hugely from state to state, ranging from 5 to 2,138 liters of water per liter of ethanol, depending on regional irrigation needs.”


48 posted on 06/20/2014 4:50:20 AM PDT by 21twelve (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2185147/posts 2013 is 1933 REBORN)
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To: chessplayer; HereInTheHeartland

Let’s be clear, as HereInTheHeartland said, but perhaps emphasized the wrong words, most conservatives are not talking about getting rid of ALL regulation. That’s where you are erring, if I may say so.

Sure there are some extremists on the right who want to get rid of all regulation, but not most. Certainly not the sane ones.

The sane ones recognize the value of some limited regulation. But what we have today is a far cry from that.

So blanket statements like “Conservatives would be fine with big business turning this country into a sludge filled sewer like China if they could.” Are not only inaccurate but counter-productive.

You’re certainly right when you say, “You think big business is your friend? Then why are they working for and helping COMMUNIST China? It’s because they couldn’t care less about you or the U.S.,,,except for whats in your wallet.”

True conservatism though, at least the one I uphold as a value, isn’t about “big business” and supporting the interests of corporations over individuals.

So be careful to separate conservatism from corporatism. They are two different things.


49 posted on 06/20/2014 4:50:45 AM PDT by FourtySeven (47)
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To: chessplayer
More Rat politicians and libs passing more idiot laws ain't going to clean up nothing.

Enforcing reasonable laws without political kickbacks will clean up things.

Oh, listening to lib/commie propaganda ain't going to clean up a damn thing either.

Get a clue dupe.

50 posted on 06/20/2014 4:54:41 AM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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