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A.B. Stoddard: What is the IRS hiding?
The Hill ^ | 6-18-14 | A. B. Stoddard

Posted on 06/20/2014 3:00:52 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic

My parents didn’t spend much time warning us kids about vandalism, petty theft or mail fraud, but much was made of the attention and focus we would need as adults when it came to our finances, because the Internal Revenue Service could pounce at any time. “If you ever get audited” were chilling words that frightened me, as I was certain I could never, ever produce the requisite documentation to defend myself and would be mortally ashamed when I had to suffer the legal consequences. My mother, who ran her own business, lamented the time it took her to copy every receipt and invoice, which filled multiple filing cabinets in her small office past our laundry room, back when records were still kept only on paper.

Now electronic, all documents must be stored or destroyed — even in our federal government. The IRS’s own rules state: “IRS offices will not store the official recordkeeping copy of e-mail messages that are federal records ONLY on the electronic mail system, unless the system has all of the features of an electronic recordkeeping system.” The news that emails Lois Lerner, the central figure in the investigation into the agency’s targeting of conservative groups, wrote between 2009-2011 accidentally perished in a computer crash is once again asking us all to choose between laughing or crying.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: email; hillary; irs; irsscandals; itprofessionals; lerner; lerneremails

1 posted on 06/20/2014 3:00:53 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"Energy czar Carol Browner epitomized the secretive dealings of these offices when she advised auto industry executives this month to "to put nothing in writing, ever" about their meetings with her."
2 posted on 06/20/2014 3:02:43 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: afraidfortherepublic

So now we have come to the point the entire feral gummint is a criminal conspiracy and enterprise.


3 posted on 06/20/2014 3:19:44 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: wastoute

can you say the RICO act?
Criminal conspiracy?
Bastards ALL belong in prison or at the end of a rope.


4 posted on 06/20/2014 3:25:34 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: wastoute
So now we have come to the point the entire feral gummint is a criminal conspiracy and enterprise.

Yes, the whole putrefying, stinking, criminal enterprise, known as the federal government, would make the Mafia blush. To answer her question, what is the IRS hiding? Criminal activity, of course.

5 posted on 06/20/2014 3:29:07 AM PDT by Mark17 (Rudyard Kipling: Liberals be wary, when the SHTF, The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon will clobber you)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
The penalties for destruction of Government documents and obstruction of justice are pretty stiff.

Also, the old Watergate adage is that the cover up is worse than the crime.

In the case of the IRS scandal, we have a blatant and in your face cover up being shoved down out throats and high government officials exercising their 5th Amendment rights against self incrimination so what they are covering up must be pretty bad indeed.

In the IRS case, it's becoming plainly obvious that, unlike the Watergate scandal, with the IRS scandal the crime is much much worse than the cover up.

6 posted on 06/20/2014 3:36:02 AM PDT by rdcbn
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Nothing. ..now....


7 posted on 06/20/2014 3:36:11 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: rdcbn

There is really only one reason for this. It goes to the highest reaches of the White House.


8 posted on 06/20/2014 3:52:20 AM PDT by 98ZJ USMC
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To: 98ZJ USMC

And no one seems to care. Suppose the emails are recovered and they flat out show Obama ordered the IRS to stop conservative groups. Then what?


9 posted on 06/20/2014 3:55:07 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: ilovesarah2012
"And no one seems to care. Suppose the emails are recovered and they flat out show Obama ordered the IRS to stop conservative groups. Then what?"

Good point; would Boehner do more than shed a tear and go back to being a doormat for the Dems? Probably not.

10 posted on 06/20/2014 4:03:45 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: ilovesarah2012

The democratic/progressive apparatchiks will say, because of Bush and his Conservative enablers, they needed to stymie alternative thought, ensure the rich paid taxes, and bad people were sent to jail (like they should have been in the first place).


11 posted on 06/20/2014 4:17:54 AM PDT by Liaison (qwesa)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The IRS expects us to keep our records. Shouldn’t they keep theirs for a congressional investigation?


12 posted on 06/20/2014 4:19:45 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: Joe Boucher

exactly.


13 posted on 06/20/2014 4:20:58 AM PDT by dalebert
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The administration, IRS, DOJ, EPA, ICE are flipping Americans the middle finger. This is it. If congress doesn’t go after the IRS with a rabid vengeance, stick a fork in the USA. We’re done.


14 posted on 06/20/2014 4:31:14 AM PDT by listenhillary (Courts, law enforcement, roads and national defense should be the extent of government)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Subpoena every IT person involved. Someone will crack or whistleblower.


15 posted on 06/20/2014 4:31:26 AM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Joe Boucher

Heads must roll...... bloody heads into the basket of straw.

literally


16 posted on 06/20/2014 4:34:32 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

They’re hiding Barry and Val’s orchestration of the whole thing.


17 posted on 06/20/2014 4:48:18 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: Joe Boucher

It would be normal to expect laws to be enforced - and then these criminals would be held to account. But these aren’t normal times.

Our side needs to fight the war that we don’t even know has been declared against us. Stop adhering to laws in our fight against them. That’s how they’re winning - they don’t pay attention to laws and they get their stuff done. We try to use laws to stop them - and years and years later we may get some relief but maybe not.

Put the IRS Koskinen guy in jail. Do not respond to cries of “you can’t do that”. We just did.

Control the border w/ state personnel. Ignore cries from Holder that it’s fed responsibility to control the border. Send buses away at the border using state personnel. Lock up any feds who intervene in the state.

Listen we’re analogous to the innocent victim who is getting mugged continually but refuses to arm himself. By following the law, we are disarming ourselves. They are armed - that is - they don’t allow the law to keep them from doing what they want. We must do the same.

If they want a lawless society, we better be willing to engage in that war or we will lose. And we are.


18 posted on 06/20/2014 4:49:18 AM PDT by Principled (Obama: Unblemished by success.)
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To: rdcbn
"I want her to get what she rightful deserves," he said So do we, Barry. So do we.

Not in this case. Apparently they're more willing to take the heat for destruction of evidence, because the evidence points to something much worse.
19 posted on 06/20/2014 4:50:42 AM PDT by Old Yeller (Anything is possible, if you don't know what you're talking about.)
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To: Old Yeller

The crime of breaking all of one’s bones is therefore preferable to total assassination. The penalty is smaller, therefore better


20 posted on 06/20/2014 4:53:45 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... History is a process, not an event)
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To: ilovesarah2012
Well then Eric Holder will bring the perpetrators to Justice!

Why the skeptical look?

21 posted on 06/20/2014 4:58:15 AM PDT by Aevery_Freeman (Historians will refer to this administration as "The Half-Black Plague.")
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I remember, soon after the Blago Senate Seat auction, that Jesse Jackson Jr. had a fire at his home, on Christmas Day! Poor Jr. lost a trove of personal paperwork.

Oh why does bad luck hit so many Demorats


22 posted on 06/20/2014 5:00:02 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: ilovesarah2012; Truth29

I suggest you watch the Heritage panels on the death of four Americans in Bengazi.

The last panel concerned advice for Trey Gowdy.
Near the end of the last panel, one person observed that Holder and the DoJ would never prosecute anyone near an 0bama scandal. The corruption spreads across party lines.

I imagine A&Z face the same challenge.

We need to change the reality on the ground, or drive towards a conclusion that can be achieved


23 posted on 06/20/2014 5:08:43 AM PDT by Steven Tyler
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To: afraidfortherepublic
"It's not a scandal if we don't report it!"


24 posted on 06/20/2014 5:10:29 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: afraidfortherepublic
If the IRS isn't totally crushed over this, we the people have no representatives and that may just be the case because of how it appears to be going down.

Think and prepare accordingly.

25 posted on 06/20/2014 5:13:21 AM PDT by The Cajun (tea party!!!, Sarah Palin, Mark Levin, Ted Cruz, Mike Lee, Louie Gohmert......Nuff said.)
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To: Steven Tyler

Like I said, nothing will happen to Obama. The entire administration is the most corrupt ever and apparently a lot of the GOP is, too. Short of storming the WH, I don’t see things changing any time soon.


26 posted on 06/20/2014 5:13:48 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: 98ZJ USMC
RE post 8: you got it!

If this went no higher than Lois Lerner you would see her thrown under the bus. It goes to the top, that's what they are hiding. It's impeachable, check the second count against Nixon.

27 posted on 06/20/2014 5:23:20 AM PDT by Former Proud Canadian
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To: Principled

I’m all for border security.
Put armed guards on the south and north borders and enforce the law. Folks try to sneak in, shoot em and let em lie where they fall as a warning to others.
I am all for Legal immigration.


28 posted on 06/20/2014 5:31:44 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) obammy lied and lied and lied)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Destroying the emails is likely why Lerner took the 5th.

It is not crystal clear that targeting certain groups is a crime. It is crystal clear that intentionally destroying evidence is.

There has to be a copy. They can’t be that good. If they are, there is an IT person somewhere looking at time.


29 posted on 06/20/2014 5:41:17 AM PDT by dan on the right
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This administration is completely evil. “Condemning the righteous because of their righteousness; letting the guilty and the wicked go unpunished because of their money; and moreover to be held in office at the head of government, to rule and do according to their wills, that they might get gain and glory of the world, and, moreover, that they might the more easily commit adultery, and steal, and kill, and do according to their own wills.”


30 posted on 06/20/2014 7:11:28 AM PDT by klamath (growth of the welfare state is difficult to check before it comes to its full flower of dictatorship)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

The IRS has gotten to the point that it is impossible to control. It needs to be dismantled.


31 posted on 06/20/2014 7:19:59 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Paul Ryan just ripped a new one off of the IRS Commisar in the hearings. Weichert, R of Washington up now.


32 posted on 06/20/2014 7:30:33 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Former Proud Canadian
check the second count against Nixon.

Nixon was never impeached. They threatened him, and he resigned. He was NOT impeached.

Of course you could threaten Obama all day long, and he wouldn't budge.

33 posted on 06/20/2014 7:32:26 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

I’m watching the hearings now and I see that this is just another BS session. The IRS will stonewall and the republicans will rail agains’t it with accusations and nothing will come of it. Currently the IRS is still targeting conservative groups even while these hearing are being held.


34 posted on 06/20/2014 7:47:40 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Georgia Girl 2

Wouldn’t you like to slap that smirk off of Koskinen’s face?


35 posted on 06/20/2014 7:50:56 AM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Yes its an insult to the American people that these people are working in govt service.


36 posted on 06/20/2014 7:53:04 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose o f a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Sander Levin is a big putz! a tool of the left.....


37 posted on 06/20/2014 9:56:45 AM PDT by ncfool (Hilary 2016 Procol Harum or Boko Haram. What difference does it make?)
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To: afraidfortherepublic

Paul Ryan’s “I don’t believe you” to the smirking Koskinen finally got the story covered by NBC and CBS tonight.


38 posted on 06/20/2014 4:26:57 PM PDT by ntnychik
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To: afraidfortherepublic

This may be the first time that A.B. has ventured an opinion outside the bounds of conventional DC wisdom. This is a problem for me, because I depended on her as a reliable leading indicator. Anyway, something must be going on in the Kremlin.


39 posted on 06/20/2014 4:37:27 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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