Skip to comments.Letís Deal With Reality and Pass Immigration Reform
Posted on 06/20/2014 4:28:36 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
Radio show hosts and political pundits are suggesting that the primary election defeat of House Majority Leader Eric Cantor is the final nail in the coffin for passing immigration reform in this session of Congress. They surmise that other Republicans will be especially reluctant to tackle the issue for fear of losing political support.
If we are led to believe that the results of a local election with 12 percent voter turnout in a single congressional district (one out of 435) with a mere 65,000 votes cast is all that it takes to disrupt a necessary and important national policy debate, then America is in big troublenot just on this issue, but on a whole range of issues.
I certainly hope that is not the case.
As a Republican, its my view that efforts to complete immigration reform should be led by our party. Some on the outer fringes of the GOP may disagree, but the truth is we are humans first and partisans second. Frankly, the Democrats dont have a monopoly on having hearts.
While I do not practice or promote illegal behavior, the reality is that 11 million illegal immigrants are currently in this country. Lets face it, the United States does not have a processreal or imaginableto deport 11 million people from within our borders. Those who favor the deportation of every person here illegally must understand that this position simply is not realistic. There is no wave of a magic wand that could accomplish such a task. Nor should there be....
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let’s deal with reality
there is a reason for immigration laws
don’t come here illegally
Past and recent history shows that promoting amnesty promotes illegal behavior.
Hey Sheldon. Let’s just follow the rules we have now and start sending them back. Others will leave on their own.
You can keep your Country. Period.
You can keep your jobs. Period.
Actually this reminds me exactly of the discussion before ramming 0bamacare thru.
I guess he needs a bunch of immigrants willing to work in his casinos for low wages. What an @sshole.
Imagine. Condoning lawlessness and declaring himself a Republican in the same sentence. If that is the case, then there really isn’t any difference between Democrats and Republicans, is there?
The two excuses: 1) we’re all humans here, and 2) there simply isn’t a process to deport 11 million people are ludicrous.
“We’re all humans here...” is just an excuse for “I want to take your rights and sovereignty away so I can FEEL better,” and a willful attempt irreparably harm our own support systems.
And, as far as no system to deport 11 million illegals goes, there was a system to allow them in, it is incumbent to reverse that system, prevent more entry, and to prosecute those who hire and support the illegals as well as completely stopping entitlements to them. That done, they will self-deport.
No surprise here. Of course he’s for cheap labor.
The problem is well analyzed and noted. Unfortunately, the treacherous tyrant in the White House will not enforce any laws he deems unacceptable.
Until he is gone or perhaps exiled, the piling on of a new law serves no useful purpose.
The U.S. doesn't need to deport 11 million people. Simply deport them as the opportunity arises, and make sure the others are treated appropriately under the law. For years, my suggestion has been that at a bare minimum: (1) illegal immigrants charged with crimes should be subject to military trials as invaders, not criminal trials in U.S. courts; and (2) illegal immigrants should have no standing in the civil courts of this country (i.e., they can't file civil lawsuits and they are subject to default judgments if they are the defendants in civil lawsuits).
So Sheldon, you’re willing to kill the culture?
It’s already on life-support, but now you want to pull the plug? Damn RINO pig!
My mother (Spanish born, raised in Mexico) escaped the Socialist & corrupt to the core $hithole that México is. She hated that culture, she hated the corruption, she despised the ineptness of just getting anybody to do anything (everything moves slow)-—oh but they work sooooo hard right?
Idiots like you want to bring this culture, that so many Cubans and other Hispanics have run away from right here. Once America is gone it’s not coming back. These new “republicans” that you want won’t ever be conservative—they want their freebees and stuff. That’s it!
Cicero was right about the enemy within the wall being more dangerous. You, and every RINO in the Senate & House are more dangerous than Al Qaeda could ever be.
Let's deal with reality and call immigration reform what it really is, amnesty -- a reward for lawbreakers, a grab for cheap votes, a grab for slave labor, a grab for people who will support political corruption and Big Government.
But we can send the National Guard to Iraq and Afghanistan and try to build democracies among Muslims. Why not put the National Guard on our own border? Or start flying Military transports full of the children down to Central America?
First Rupert Murdoch, now Sheldon Adelson. Sheesh. They are really getting desperate now that they’re losing this battle.
Probably could do everything needed with laws already on the books. If you wanted to be especially kind, you could give a bit of warning beforehand, but in essence, you simply use existing fines against any company who hires illegal aliens. You use existing penalties for those who fail to report salaries and pay payroll taxes. You use existing rules that forbid conducting a business as an illegal alien.
You use all those agents who were hired to go annoy Americans over PelosiCare, and you use them to shut down hundreds of thousands of gardening businesses, construction subcontractors, cleaning subcontractors, etc. You send agents into the swap meets and shut down those who don't pay taxes on sales, or if the state collects sales taxes, who fail to pay sales taxes.
That 11 million (which is likely half the actual number) will quickly dwindle down to 5 million in just a couple years or so. But don't be overly concerned about those 5 million, likely they will have already started the process of dealing with their legal status - again, mostly using existing laws.
Amnesty has been tried, it didn't solve the problem, it created a bigger problem and even more illegals who flaunted their status. Thousands of Americans have been killed since the last round of amnesty by illegals. Millions have had their jobs affected by illegals. Millions have paid more for homes because of the illegals, millions have paid far more for their insurance because of illegals.
Amnesty isn't the solution - less than half of those who qualified for amnesty never even bothered to start the process. Why bother? If you do, you have to pay money, spend time, then pay taxes, then pay for insurance, then pay for registrations for cars and payroll taxes and sales taxes and everything else.
Let's take for example Jose. He's run a gardening business maintaining commercial and city greenspace landscape for the past 25 years. His yearly commercial contracts are worth close to a million dollars, and he pays 25 people to handle those contracts and also residential service. He has no worry about anyone challenging his contracts, because anyone who did would have to have worker's comp insurance, pay payroll taxes, pay taxes on their profits, pay sales taxes on their equipment, pay property taxes on the tools used for their trade. Worst that Jose has to bother with is a quick stop at a payphone to report an employee to ICE if they start to give him hassles for anything.
There are tens of thousands of Jose's out there. They are the engine of the underground economy. Jose's brother runs a construction firm which handles framing contracts. His cousin runs a firm that handles concrete forms for freeway and parking lot construction, another cousin handles subcontracts for workman's comp claims. A niece owns a nice chain of liquor stores. They pay cash for their purchases, and constantly evade taxes and fees that competing businesses must pay.
Millions of jobs, big and small, that could be opened up for, oh gosh, you know, those tens of millions of Americans who would like to find a job. Millions of entry level jobs which our youth are locked out of. Millions of Americans who find themselves at a disadvantage in the job market because they might lack the skills at speaking Spanish, Mandarin, Portuguese or other language requirements to speak to the mostly illegal staff or subcontractors.
And anyone who actually, seriously intends on enforcing the existing laws will actually pick up that vaunted ‘Hispanic’ vote. Because THAT vote is the one that is proud to be American, who is sick and tired of explaining to the counter worker that no, they don't speak Spanish, don't need a translator, don't need Spanish forms. Who are tired of pressing 1 for English. And who will most directly benefit from the first wave of actual enforcement of immigration laws.
Absolutely...100% border security by the military and no more foreign immigration until 2025!!!
Outstanding post !
“Lets face it, the United States does not have a processreal or imaginableto deport 11 million people from within our borders.”
Paging Ray Nagin, Ray Nagin please pick up the white courtesy phone. It’s the bus companies.
The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that dont reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from Georgia, Oklahoma, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.
When you reward something, you get more of it.
“Lets Deal With Reality and...”
Libs always like to use leading language.
“The debate is over”
“The science is settled”
Stopped reading here.
"Lets deal with reality" my arse. When it comes to honesty these people got nuthin.
Not Needed: "Reform."
Let us stop for a moment to consider that the origin of the present ongoing emergency is the "Immigration Reform Act of 1965."
Let us remember arithmetic, too. No matter what we do now, we are well along the path to becoming a Latin American country with a majority mestizo population. Possibly not all that great an idea. So, perhaps the longer that takes to happen, the better.
That might give us a Better chance of "Americanizing" the Hispanics, rather than the Americans being "Hispanicized."
We do have a process, it is called enforcing the LAW.
If the executive branch chooses to ignore the current laws, why would anyone believe that "passing comprehensive immigration reform" would be enforced?
Amnesty doesn't fix the problem; it exacerbates it.
Lets face reality, and close down immigration courts, throw aside “humanitarian” considerations and look after the best interests of the USA.
Give ‘em water and food, herd ‘em into box cars, and ship them to the southern border of Mexico. Kill anyone who tries to stop the train. When it gets there, wreck the engines, and extract the guards and crew.
If a country won’t take back its invading barbarians, then give ‘em a canteen, an AK, 7 loaded clips of ammo and land ‘em in Somalia.
In the US, make invaders ineligible for ANY benefits - no health care, education, housing, no civil rights protection.
Sheldon, you are also part of the problem.
All illegals caught inside our country, including those caught as they cross the border, should be fingerprinted and DNA swabbed. Those so identified should be permanently barred from any path to citizenship or to legal entry into the Untied States.
Anyone employing illegals who has not made a good faith effort to confirm legal status should be fined more than enough that there is no incentive to hire illegals instead of Americans or legal immigrants.
The 14th Amendment "All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the State wherein they reside" should be correctly interpreted - tourists who give birth while visiting are not "subject to the jurisdiction thereof" and neither are illegals. The anchor babies of non-citizens should not be interpreted to have citizenship.
Any country that wants to trade with the United States should agree to take their own criminals back and hold them in prison for the duration of their sentences. That way, instead of getting 20 years in an American prison, a foreign rapist can spend those 20 years in the prisons of his own country (at the discretion of the jurisdiction where the crime occurred).
All legal immigrants should be barred from all forms of welfare for an extended period, such as seven years.
Bilingual education should be limited to a one year introduction to English, after which all instruction should be in English. My ancestors learned English when they came here, usually marginally for the parents and well for their children, and it was the best possible choice they could have made. All government forms should be in English only. Multilingualism will otherwise divide and destroy the United States.
We should make absolutely no accommodations at all for immigrants who are offended by the American flag - except to encourage their return to the ratholes they call home.
Congress has the authority to set immigration law. Delegating that authority to criminals who come here in violation of the law is unacceptable.
There. I fixed it.
Ask what they intend to do about the massive invasion of illegal aliens into Texas, bringing crime, disease, drugs and unbelievable expense to the state to care for them.
This is sheer insanity!
HOUSTON, TexasGovernor Rick Perry (R-TX) appeared on Fox News Fox and Friends show and said Texas lacks the resources and manpower to secure the 1,200 mile Texas border... BS!
Other Texas elected officials, speaking on condition of anonymity have told Breitbart Texas that Texas does, in fact, have the resources to conduct not only a surge operation, but a prolonged border control operation that would secure the Texas border with Mexico.
Now, Perry says he will do something. I'll believe it when I see it.
DO N'T LET THE MUZZIE GET AWAY WITH HIS CLOWARD-PIVEN SCHEME! DON'T LET HIM DESTROY TEXAS.
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On the TX members Action Board - a link to fax Perry and phone call to make to your R Reps supporting Rep Louie Gohmerts Fortify the Border Amendment.
You have to be registered at NumbersUSA....its worth joining for all of the faxes you can send to your elected officials. These are good guys, whove been fighting the good fight for YEARS.
Additionally, anyone can call Perry and anyone can ask their Rep to support Gohmert's amendment.
enforce the exisring laws and get rid of them all.
Hey Sheldon. Try enforcing existing law.
The pro amnesty crowd used to use the number of 35 to 40 million illegals already here. Then, like a light switch, they all started using the number of 11 million. I think to make it seem less harmful.
If they get amnesty, which likes will happen soon, that 11 million will magically turn into 100 million.
There are 11 million in California. Who do they think they are fooling?
he’s just another jackass that will never see an illegal alien (except for the ones he pays slave wages to clean his hotel rooms) ...he’ll never have to share a neighborhood with them ....his grandkids will never share a classroom with them....they are as significant as ants to him, except these ants will fill his pockets ....he can go to hell
This administration has demonstrated why nothing can be done until the border is secured and laws enacted so we know exactly who is here.
I have said it before. The first thing to undergo a fundamental transformation with amnesty is the Democrat Party! The Dem candidates will win in formally republican majority districts only to lose next election to the south-of-border politician. Juan Ortiz-Rodriguez-Sanchez and friends were weaned on bribery and schooled in extortion. Graft is a family value to them. The new height of corruption would even make Harry Reid get vertigo. And then we will get amnesty II, amnesty III, etc.
“we are well along the path to becoming a Latin American country with a majority mestizo population. Possibly not all that great an idea”
We are already there in SoCal. And no, it is not a great idea unless you get paid for painting over graffiti.
” Lets face it, the United States does not have a processreal or imaginableto deport 11 million people from within our borders.”
Sure we do. It’s called FORCED citizenship:
1. Close the border coming in
2. Allow exiting back to Mexico until December 31, 2014
3. Anyone in the country as of January 1, 2015 becomes a citizen retroactive January 1, 2009
4. Charge a $20,000 processing fee for citizenship
5. Can’t pay the fee? IRS seizes all assets and deports
Watch as you see buses and buses of people running back to Crappico. Problem solved.
In what sense of the word?
Does he support the Repub platform?
We tried that once. It didn't work.
It’s not Sheldon’s culture, his is either Israel or the immorality of Las Vegas
What if they all emigrated to Macau — would that be okay with him?
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