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Investigation of IRS Targeting [C-SPAN LIVE THREAD]
C-SPAN ^ | June 20, 2014 | none

Posted on 06/20/2014 6:11:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek

Investigation of IRS Targeting

Commissioner John Koskinen testified at a House Ways and Means Committee hearing on the investigation of the IRS' criteria to process applications of tax-exempt organizations.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: house; investigation; irs; irsscandals; irsteapartyscandal; koskinen; lerneremails; lerneremailshearing
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Just thought some may be interested to see how the guy who claims the emails were archived now explains that they were lost.
1 posted on 06/20/2014 6:11:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek
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To: cripplecreek

http://www.c-span.org/video/?320046-1/irs-targeting-investigation


2 posted on 06/20/2014 6:11:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

I will say this...if this had been in the Army or Air Force...the director in charge of the IT division would have been escorted out of the building and fired, and the contractors involved in support...laid off that day and a whole new team brought in within days. I can’t imagine any IT professional cooperating to this mess....to the degree that your reputation in life is permanently screwed up if a new employer finds out you were working for the IRS.


3 posted on 06/20/2014 6:15:27 AM PDT by pepsionice
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To: pepsionice

Sander Levin is in full IRS defense mode.


4 posted on 06/20/2014 6:16:16 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

They can contradict themselves twenty times before breakfast and it never bothers them. Nor are they ever held accountable for it.

I keep hoping that will change, but I don’t know - the press is simply not interested.


5 posted on 06/20/2014 6:16:45 AM PDT by livius
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To: cripplecreek; Admin Moderator

Now we have two live threads


6 posted on 06/20/2014 6:17:39 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: livius

The media should be outraged that one party is only interested in defending the IRS and accusing the GOP during an investigation.


7 posted on 06/20/2014 6:19:32 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Admin Moderator

Thanks! Could we have [Live thread] added to header, please?


8 posted on 06/20/2014 6:22:14 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: All

That was a fast talking time line. Made my head spin.


9 posted on 06/20/2014 6:26:40 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

QY: Has IRS know since Feb that the emails were gone? Why wasn’t Congress informed of potential problem?

A: wanted to complete investigation.

QY: Treasury was told that WH was told in April. Who told Treasury?

A: damfino


10 posted on 06/20/2014 6:29:38 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

I’m hearing nothing but contradictions.


11 posted on 06/20/2014 6:32:05 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: don-o

Serial number for hard drive?

Tracking system for hard drives?

Will you support appointment of Special Pros? Yes or No?

“No”


12 posted on 06/20/2014 6:33:10 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: cripplecreek

Camp did well.


13 posted on 06/20/2014 6:34:04 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

The “hard drive” issue is a major “squirrel”.
The emails weren’t on any workstation “hard drive”.


14 posted on 06/20/2014 6:34:51 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: don-o

Pushed Koskinen into saying he supported a special prosecutor. It really pissed of Sander Levin.


15 posted on 06/20/2014 6:35:26 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: don-o

I think Levin is heavily sedated - or does he always talk like that?


16 posted on 06/20/2014 6:36:31 AM PDT by madmominct
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To: don-o

Koskinen is just stonewalling Camp’s questions. He reminds me of an undertaker. Levin lecturing about being disrespectful to witnesses is BS and Levin’s just wasting time.


17 posted on 06/20/2014 6:37:04 AM PDT by freedom1st
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To: madmominct

Sander Levin is the older of the Levin brothers. He’s a lifer.


18 posted on 06/20/2014 6:37:37 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek
Pushed Koskinen into saying he supported a special prosecutor. It really pissed of Sander Levin.

Koskinen does NOT support a special prosecutor.

19 posted on 06/20/2014 6:38:04 AM PDT by kabar
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To: MrB
The “hard drive” issue is a major “squirrel”.

Yes and no. Digging for any data that can be recovered is priority. Finding if there is intentional destruction of records that are by statute to be preserved is also important.

I will be worried if next round does not go to servers and archiving.

20 posted on 06/20/2014 6:38:39 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: freedom1st

Democrats aren’t treating this like an investigation. They’re treating it like a trial and playing the role of defense attorney.


21 posted on 06/20/2014 6:38:48 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Sander Levin has no interest in finding facts
but insists he KNOWS what is going on.
[Was he in on this with Cummings?]

Kioskinen claims they examined the hard drives for months,
and that they were shared amongst many people with
“custodians”. He did not want to notify Congress
because they are not “rationale”, unlike his
Evidence-destroying IRS.
Kioskinen then blames the Committee for the loss
by giving an irrational segue to the Flacks episode.

Mr. Johnson notes there is “targeting of Americans
for their beliefs”. Exactly.


22 posted on 06/20/2014 6:39:49 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: cripplecreek
Pushed Koskinen into saying he supported a special prosecutor.

I thought he said No. ?????

23 posted on 06/20/2014 6:39:58 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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Placemark


24 posted on 06/20/2014 6:40:34 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: cripplecreek

Kioskinen purports the IRS destroys the Evidence
to save .... $200,000.

Got that? The purpose was to destroy Evidence.


25 posted on 06/20/2014 6:41:06 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: cripplecreek

He struck me as a real weasel at the last hearing .... the previous IRS Commissioner was a lying weasel as well. Then I think of other ‘heads of agencies’ ..... Obama has picked a bunch of liars, crooks and corruptocrats, all good reflections of their boss. The IRS has been ‘weaponized’ and Congress needs to do something dramatic to stop it and I know they won’t.


26 posted on 06/20/2014 6:41:22 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: Qiviut

McDermott back to calling it a conspiracy theory.


27 posted on 06/20/2014 6:43:59 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: Qiviut

This witness just said emails don’t qualify as “records” in the IRS data storage law, implying that destroyed emails was not illegal.


28 posted on 06/20/2014 6:44:27 AM PDT by freedom1st
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To: cripplecreek

McDermott is such as asshat!!!


29 posted on 06/20/2014 6:44:55 AM PDT by ObozoMustGo2012
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To: cripplecreek

Is it just me, or does this guy seem to give credence to the Lizard People conspiracists?

WOW!


30 posted on 06/20/2014 6:45:28 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: ObozoMustGo2012
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31 posted on 06/20/2014 6:48:01 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: don-o

Yes, the intentional destruction of evidence is a major deal, and someone should spend some prison time for it.


32 posted on 06/20/2014 6:48:11 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB
Yes, the intentional destruction of evidence is a major deal, and someone should spend some prison time for it.

Sandy Berger got probation for what you or I would be buried under the jail for.
33 posted on 06/20/2014 6:51:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

Rep. Kevin Brady has caught John Koskinen
in a great lie and obstruction of justice.
Koskinen then LIES and says he told them
information which he did not.

Rep. Brady is doing great.


34 posted on 06/20/2014 6:53:59 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: cripplecreek

I looked it up - %50k fine, community service, probation.

And it was obvious, as it is in this case, that the full consequences for his behavior was far less damaging than the information that he destroyed.


35 posted on 06/20/2014 6:54:43 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter admits whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

bkmk


36 posted on 06/20/2014 6:55:24 AM PDT by Raebie
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To: freedom1st

But you know the IRS would use taxpayer emails as evidence in a heartbeat.

No wonder Lois was so “smug” during her appearances .... she knew she’d destroyed evidence.


37 posted on 06/20/2014 6:56:01 AM PDT by Qiviut ( One of the most delightful things about a garden is the anticipation it provides. (W.E. Johns)
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To: cripplecreek

Cummings apologizes that the LIES have been exposed.

[Lucky for HIM the “hard drives” are missing]


38 posted on 06/20/2014 6:56:13 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Diogenesis

John Lewis. Duh.

Going to let Koskinen filibuster his five minutes.


39 posted on 06/20/2014 6:56:14 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: cripplecreek

Other email from the time period in question exists, it must have been restored from backup to the replacement disk.

Why were these emails not restored for Lerner?

Why were these emails not restored for these other particular persons?


40 posted on 06/20/2014 6:58:05 AM PDT by Ray76 (True change requires true change - A Second Party ...or else it's more of the same...)
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To: don-o

Koskinen is pretty ballsy with Democrats providing cover for him.


41 posted on 06/20/2014 6:59:13 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: cripplecreek

42 posted on 06/20/2014 6:59:47 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (NO MORE IRS!)
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To: cripplecreek
Will say or do anything, ANYTHING, for the cause.
43 posted on 06/20/2014 7:00:17 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: JPG

Paul Ryan up.


44 posted on 06/20/2014 7:01:16 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Diogenesis
A week before Lerner's hard drive "crashed," Camp had sent a letter to Treasury requesting info about the targeting of Reps. So a week later, her hard drive crashes.

And the Dems are using the fact that she sought their restoration as prima facie evidence that she was not destroying evidence. I suspect she had erased all of those messages and wanted to confirm that they could not be retrieved.

I still don't know why there are not backups from mirror servers. The crash of her personal computer should not mean the loss of all her documents, including emails. I worked in the federal government for 36 years. This is simply not possible.

45 posted on 06/20/2014 7:02:25 AM PDT by kabar
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To: cripplecreek

Smug ... just like Lerner. They know they are untouchable.


46 posted on 06/20/2014 7:04:00 AM PDT by maggief
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To: JPG

oops, wrong pic, same comment.


47 posted on 06/20/2014 7:04:28 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: maggief

It’s easy to be smug when you are the Commissioner of the most untouchable governmental agency in the world.


48 posted on 06/20/2014 7:10:21 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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49 posted on 06/20/2014 7:11:29 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: madmominct

Before Sander went to Washington he was significant in the early destruction of the city of Detroit.


50 posted on 06/20/2014 7:15:49 AM PDT by kempster
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