Skip to comments.Did Lois Lerner have laptop, blackberry
Posted on 06/20/2014 9:09:11 AM PDT by airedale
We know that Lois Lerner' s computer crashed at some time and per this morning it was just before "she learned of the rogue agents in Cincinnati." Since she was a fairly high level employee whose job required travel did she have a laptop? The way they describe their email system (not the way most systems work) not only would the desktop which crashed have a complete copy of all e-mails both incoming and outgoing so would the laptop. If she did have a laptop did it crash as well; did the agency give it to another employee at some point after wiping the hard drive? Did they dispose of it?
In relation to letters/subpoenas from Congress when did the agency dispose of the hard drive? Who specifically handled it and authorized its disposal? Same with the laptop if it isn't available.
While the emails may be missing aren't there records of what emails were sent and received by Lerner including who sent them?
Since her computer supposedly crashed and theY couldn't restore all of the emails, but keep 6months of backup did they restore from those backup tapes? Where in the schedule of the backup was the IRS? If it happened in the 5th month of the cycle they would have the current 5 months plus the prior 6 months on the backup tape. Have those emails been provided since they would cover a critical period. If it occurred in the 1st month of a cycle they'd have that month plus the last 6 months. So you should have had the last 7-11 months of emails before the crash that they would have been able to restlessness normal conditions. If the didn't why not and who made that decision and who approved it. They would need to be questioned under oath.
I would subpoena the e-mails of anyone on Lerner’s distribution list.
Do they have purchase orders when a new hard drive was purchased? That would give a date when or if this happened.
Am obvious question - one I am sure has been asked (SARC)!
I thought I heard this morning that is was her laptop that crashed.
She had to have gotten a new one right away. When was it bought?
I keep hearing about “tapes”; and this takes more upkeep than buying new computers. Who the hell would use tapes except a department that wants to have a perfect excuse when things go sideways?
While it is normal and reasoned thought to consider all the possibilities of how something like that could have happened and ways to resurrect the information, it isn’t what is called for here.
It is patently obvious given a plethora of evidence regarding the maintenance of data in today’s age, that the IRS is lying. There is no other conclusion available.
Of course those emails are retained and stored on any number of servers. You could get the NSA to print them out if they weren’t so busy covering their own behinds about all the data they “do not access and keep.”
Respectfully, to give them one iota of credence in their ridiculous bleats about “lost, recycled or unavailable” does a serious, SERIOUS, disservice to the truth. These agencies are not American - not in any way, shape or form.
I think someone also added it was an HP (or compaq).
1. It is impossible, I repeat impossible that her hard drive stored her email. How would she access her mail from home or while on travel? Is she trying to say she only handled email from her desk? Impossible.
2. Since her mail had to be on a server, repeat had to be, then where are the back-ups and archives.
3. Supoena the disaster recovery plan asap and find those back-ups and archives before they have more time to cover-up. Obviously WH involved so cover-up will be swift and thorough.
It is beyond time for a state prosecuting authority to begin its own investigation. There are a significant number of crimes involved in the persecution of American citizens, and not all of them, maybe a minority of them, are the exclusive province of federal authorities. It is a state crime to conspire to violate the civil rights of the citizens of a state, and a state crime to spoil evidence involved in such a crime. It is time for the State Attorney Generals of Texas, Mississippi, Tennessee, Arkansas, Arizona, and Wisconsin, and any others who care about the rule of law in the United States, to begin their investigations and haul these IRS people and their IT people into grand juries.
Is there a federal law that prevents crimes committed by federal employees from being prosecuted by states? I'm not aware if there is.
IT never bothered to recover any of the data, and accidentally sent all the hard memory to be recycled.
Sounds plausible, yes?
Why is everyone chasing this red herring? Emails aren’t stored on a PC. They are serviced and stored within servers that are thereby backed up commensurate with storage and retention policies. The media is then taken from server to disk or tape and stored off-site. So the Government who has enacted unbelievable regulations across the financial services industry for media retention laws would have us believe emails vanished? What would happen to a bank that says this? I can tell you for Enron what happened.....pokey time. We are getting lost in the minutia of a red herring
I would think there’s been a bonfire by now
Well it worked form Hillary and the records of the Rosé Law Firm
There you go using common sense again!!! :)
I run IT for several state agencies and the bs that “we lost the emails” is just that!
The white knight testified this AM that it was her “portable” computer that crashed. Which suggests the IRS would have had to reach out to any 3rd party server custodians and arrange for them crash simultaneously. And comply with equally implausible backup protocols.
Like she is going to say, “ thanks, I never thought of that.”
One problem is it’s the IRS. Much of their information cannot be released to people outside the agency and it’s a federal felony to disclose it. That allows them to hide as much as they want. It would be a very high wall to climb and you know the IRS would retaliate in the future.
The Committee needs to find out; Was it Lois Lerner who logged into her account and deleted her stuff, or WAS IT SOMEONE ELSE IN THE IRS WHO LOGGED INTO HER ACCOUNT AND DID A MASSIVE WIPE OF ALL OF HER DATA????
What about her private, off-the-record email accounts?
Richard Windsor, aka Lisa Jackson, had to resign when she was caught doing just this
Never heard that. Where did you find that out.
How can an agency that keeps such close track on Americans have such funky e-mail system. Not possible.
"Shes got a lot of erasing to do. Not only hit delete but make changes and leave it on the computer or hit delete, then delete the delete. It takes big bucks to do this right."
How prophetic, huh?
Timing is everything. When did this “crash” occur in relation to Lois’ initial mea culpa disclosure of IRS targeting? It was at some breakfast or luncheon or something...
I’m not very tech-savvy with computers but I have used an Outlook e-mail system.
You guys who do know what you are doing—are you saying that this stinks because (in a nutshell maybe) because losing your screen-display messages could happen, but to `lose’ the saved e-mails would have to be intentional?
Not to be Captain Obvious, I really don’t know. But if this is the case, I think we’re looking at least at obstruction of justice and tampering with evidence.
And I’m sure there are a couple dozen federal rules and regulations violated here as well.
The infernal revenooers would probably jump at the chance to let it go at that.
I'll betcha someone ELSE was logging into her username, for the purpose of deleting her stuff. The committee needs to find out WHO THIS PERSON IS.. I don't think Lois Lerner is tech savvy enough to permanently delete stuff, SO IT WOULD BE AN 'IT' OR SOFTWARE TYPE WHO WAS ASSIGNED THE MISSION.
The Committee should also authorize a subpoena to access all the smart Copiers in the various IRS offices ... Modern devices keep records of all copies on an internal hard drive, usually for as long as there is disk space. You hear all the time when these units are “recycled” that the owners failed to purge (typically valuable) information, and I wouldn’t be surprised if this were a treasure trove for the investigation.
They were covered by the House and Senate letters/subpoenas in generic John/Jane Doe fashion, but to know if has
been turned over you need the name of the account. If it was a fake IRS employee’s name it’s probably gone based on the IRS’ s claimed operation of the system unless she used another computer that she no longer has access to and has been preserved. If it’s a Gmail or similar account you need the account n and and need to subpoena the email account company. Those should still be there unless it’s one that is designed to hide things and doesn’t retain them. If it’s one of the ones you use to hide things it would show intent, but good luck on getting them. They should still be available on the computers/servers of who ever received them.
After Lois Lerner’s hard drive crash why wasnt the emails and information restored to her new hard drive from the server?
This is the first time in history that a person AND THEIR EMAILS have pleaded the 5th in front of Congress. If Congress doesn’t drop the hammer on Lerner and other IRS officials like POS Koskinen, OTHER AGENCIES WILL START ‘LOSING THEIR EMAILS’ AND GETTING AWAY WITH IT.
Of course she did.She also had an Andoid,an iPhone and an iPad.But,as luck would have it they've all "crashed" and they've all been "recycled".
Of course she did. How dumb do they think people are? Seh was in the loop and everyone knows it. She should be sitting in a 8x12 cell to rot.
The NSA has it all.
One would think with their ability to keep all my financial data secure on their system they surely can keep their eMail secure. /s
Bingo, the IRS commissioner was claiming a failure rate of anywhere from 5 to 16% of their hard drives crash, and they had no backup copies of the those drives.
They have to, are required to have a disaster recovery plan whereas they can restore data if totally wiped out. Where’s the plan and where’s the data?
Exactly right. Any large entity has an email server that should be backed up daily and cuts of that backup are sent to various locations on a weekly, monthly and quarterly basis. I can go to any computer and access my corporate emails via a web interface even though I also have a copy of them already downloaded on my desktop. Why, because the email server keeps copies ... and don’t tell me the NSA has not scarfed down the emails somewhere as well. Why no one has brought this up in congress is beyond me.
1. An Email is between TWO OR MORE people!..That means TWO OR MORE drives have the email..the sender and receiver End-user PC!
2. The end-user PC get backed up ..So there are back up of those PCs
3. The End-use PC to not sent directly to each other..else both sender and all receiver would have to be on line at the same time...your “send” email goes to a server for your email account...that email server sends in to the server for the receiver email account..and when the receiver PC come on line is asks it own email server for any email for it....and both those email servers get backed up.
..bottom line its total bs..if your local pc hd crashing would wipe out your email that would mean you could delete that same email on your local pc and have it gone forever...it does not work that way..in both in good IT practice and by what the government is required by law to document all communication
Would she have been stupid enough to plot and plan on government computers and email accounts. Maybe these are red herrings.
What personal email accounts were there of all involved and where are those records.
Also, it’s impossible to believe that aren’t back ups somewhere.
Subpeona the IT dept and any outside contractors who worked on equipment. Even if the hard drive crashed, there was data on those hard drives which was retrievable.
Time for jail.
Low-us unlearned not only pled the 5th but now we have tampering with the evidence. Where there’s fire there is smoke. Simply OUTRAGEOUS if they get away with this fraud.
Neither pink tie Boner nor Darrell Eyesore has the stones to bring the hammer down on her or the IRS. Just another committee tongue lashing and fake outrage is all we will get from the dog and pony show.
If only Nixon had used his email instead.
Anybody who uses email at work knows that once you start an email chain it grows and grows. There must be people who were :cced on these emails that their PCs didn’t self destruct. Plus emails are stored on the email server. Did they all melt down also?
And impound their hard drives and then do the same for everyone on THEIR distribution lists. Maybe with luck it would cause the IRS to seize up......
We did where I worked due.
What bothers me almost more is that the people writing legislation for electronic privacy and security don't seem to have a clue - or the guts - to say the "excuse" is BS
I’ve decided the hearings are nothing more than kabuki theater. There’s no real interest to get the data.