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CBS: Rick Perry "stepped right in it" comparing gays to alcoholics
CBS News ^ | 06/20/2014 | LINDSEY BOERMA

Posted on 06/20/2014 10:51:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

Texas Gov. Rick Perry probably shouldn't have attempted to make the case that gay people can "decide not to" be gay despite genetic predisposition, he conceded Thursday, offering no semblance of an apology but trying instead to rally attention back to his message about jobs and the economy.

"I got asked about an issue," Perry, a Republican, explained during a lunch hosted by the Christian Science Monitor. "And instead of saying, 'You know what? We need to be a really respectful and tolerant country - to everybody - and get back to talking about: Whether you're gay or straight, you need to be having a job.' And those are the focuses I want to be involved with.

"Instead," he went on, "I readily admit - I stepped right in it."

Perry was asked during an appearance in San Francisco last week whether he believes homosexuality is a disorder. He seized the opportunity to liken "the homosexual issue" with the physically debilitating disease of alcoholism.

"Whether or not you feel compelled to follow a particular lifestyle or not," he said, "you have the ability to decide not to do that. I may have the genetic coding that I'm inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that. And I look at the homosexual issue the same way."

The remark, delivered during an appearance at the San Francisco Commonwealth Club, drew "murmurs of disbelief" from the audience, according to the San Francisco Chronicle, though it merely echoed a similar comparison he made in his 2008 book, "On My Honor."

It's not the first time Perry - who's currently chewing over a 2016 White House run - has "stepped in it," nor is it the first time he's turned that particular phrase.

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1 posted on 06/20/2014 10:51:02 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I thought it was a pretty good analogy. Just because your born that way (if indeed they are) doesn’t mean it can’t and shouldn’t be corrected.


2 posted on 06/20/2014 10:53:05 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: SeekAndFind

We really need to be comparing Democrat spending addicts to alcoholics.


3 posted on 06/20/2014 10:53:50 AM PDT by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL-GALT-DELETE])
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To: SeekAndFind

CBS too busy covering stuff like this to focus on the IRS scandal.


4 posted on 06/20/2014 10:53:51 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: RoosterRedux

Think about it - if homosexuality were genetic, it would have died out long ago because homos can’t mate to pass along that characteristic.

On the other hand, people who have a genetic predisposition toward alcoholism can (and do) make offspring that do also.


5 posted on 06/20/2014 10:56:06 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: SeekAndFind

Why is this not labeled OPINION? As in, according to CBS’ OPINION, Rick Perry...


6 posted on 06/20/2014 10:56:40 AM PDT by Obadiah (None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Perry just made lots of alcoholics mad at him!

:)

Seriously, If the gay rights position is that they were “born that way” (And frankly I do not know if it is nature or nurture) -— why on Earth would the gay lobby be upset with what Perry said?

Yes, some are more disposed to alcoholism, just look at the Native Americans who struggle with that issue.

Yes, perhaps some are more prone to homosexuality due to genetic issues. Is that not what the Left has been telling us?

Maybe Perry should have spoken about hair or eye color but genetics is genetics.


7 posted on 06/20/2014 10:56:43 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: nhwingut

RE: CBS too busy covering stuff like this to focus on the IRS scandal.

MSM wants to blow a statement like this out of proportion, as if one’s belief about homosexuality has a huge connection with one’s ability to govern...


8 posted on 06/20/2014 10:57:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

If Perry stepped into anything, it was a big stinking pile of CBS covered with flies.

They have scrapers on the back porch for that stuff.


9 posted on 06/20/2014 10:58:30 AM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: SeekAndFind

Well, better to “step in in” than stick your d!ck in it!


10 posted on 06/20/2014 10:58:33 AM PDT by Fido969 (What's sad is most)
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To: SeekAndFind
despite genetic predisposition, he conceded Thursday

He said no such horsesh*t. He said that he, "stepped in it."

11 posted on 06/20/2014 10:58:38 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: SeekAndFind

He didn’t compare gays to alcoholics. He compared one condition with a known genetic element (alcoholism) to another condition that advocates keep insisting must have a genetic element (homosexuality).


12 posted on 06/20/2014 10:58:45 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Kansas58

RE: Seriously, If the gay rights position is that they were “born that way” (And frankly I do not know if it is nature or nurture) -— why on Earth would the gay lobby be upset with what Perry said?

What about Pedophiles, were they “born that way” too?


13 posted on 06/20/2014 10:59:04 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind; All

He said: “I may have the genetic coding that I’m inclined to be an alcoholic, but I have the desire not to do that, and I look at the homosexual issue the same way.”

What it means to me is: “if you don’t want to get drunk, don’t take the first drink.” And, “if you are a man and don’t want to be gay...don’t put stuff where it don’t belong,” which is about as polite as I can put it.


14 posted on 06/20/2014 10:59:52 AM PDT by areukiddingme1 (areukiddingme1 is a synonym for a Retired U.S. Navy Chief Petty Officer and tired of liberal BS.))
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To: SeekAndFind

Exactly right. Typical corrupt MSM will blow this completely out of proportion. I mean over the top, but the IRS scandal? The deleted e-mails? The border surge? Barely a mention.

This is the corruption of the MSM in a nutshell.


15 posted on 06/20/2014 10:59:52 AM PDT by Obadiah (None are more hopelessly enslaved than those who falsely believe they are free.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“stepped right in it”

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The “it” must be the minds of liberals.


16 posted on 06/20/2014 11:00:41 AM PDT by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo....Sum Pro Vita - Modified Descartes)
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To: SeekAndFind

So heterosexuality is a genetic disposition. Are all genetic dispositions like alcoholism? How does the press make such an overreaching comparison and get away with it?


17 posted on 06/20/2014 11:01:02 AM PDT by Crucial (Tolerance at the expense of equal treatment is the path to tyranny.)
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To: Boogieman

RE: advocates keep insisting must have a genetic element (homosexuality).

Let’s say it has a genetic element ( for arguments sake ), what follows? We should not celebrate it?

If Pedophilia has a genetic element, should we celebrate it too?

This mistake in thinking a naturalistic fallacy. You can’t get an “ought” from an “is.”

Even if homosexuality is natural, it doesn’t prove it OUGHT to be. You can replace homosexuality with Pedophilia or Alcoholism and the argument would be the same.

And scientists who are attempting to prove homosexuality is inborn agree.

Harvard geneticist Dean Hamer, himself a homosexual, says, “Biology is amoral; it offers no help in distinguishing between right and wrong. Only people guided by their values and beliefs can decide what is moral and what is not.”

Simon LeVay, a Harvard trained neuroscientist and also openly gay, concurs: “First, science itself cannot render judgments about human worth or about what constitutes normality or disease. These are value judgments that individuals must make for themselves, while taking scientific findings into account.”

The MORAL issue is an entirely separate issue altogether.

If our country’s MORAL foundation is going to be Judaeo-Christian and we still want to preserve the foundation, then we will say that homosexual acts are wrong and immoral.

If not... well I guess anything goes. One man’s meat becomes another man’s poison and it will all depend on who is in power.


18 posted on 06/20/2014 11:04:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
As I understand it, gays now want to be thought of as having some sort of genetic predisposition towards their identity. But that seems odd. If there is indeed such a genetic factor, you would think that over time it would lead to the elimination of gays from the gene pool. Would not a same-sex gene lead to a failure of people with that gene to reproduce themselves? "Gay pride" is based on having a gene that wants to get rid of you?

Getting back to Perry, if he compares homosexuality to alcoholism, isn't he saying much the same thing - that homosexuality involves a genetic predisposition?
19 posted on 06/20/2014 11:05:19 AM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Obadiah

Evil will win again...before the month is out-—many will be DEMANDING his RESIGNATION !!

“all part of the big plan”.


20 posted on 06/20/2014 11:05:30 AM PDT by Rca2000
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To: Kansas58
Seriously, If the gay rights position is that they were “born that way” (And frankly I do not know if it is nature or nurture) -— why on Earth would the gay lobby be upset with what Perry said?

Excellent deductive reasoning. Clearly the queer lobby is not interested in any form of the truth. Their single campaign is to discredit those who consider marriage a sacred relationship between a man and a woman, Christians, and anyone who does not adhere to the belief that queerdom is the happiest state of man kind.

21 posted on 06/20/2014 11:05:34 AM PDT by Louis Foxwell (This is a wake up call. Join the Sultan Knish ping list.)
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To: SeekAndFind

His comments were appropriate and had the added virtue of being correct.


22 posted on 06/20/2014 11:05:36 AM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The alcoholic Native American still has a responsibility as an adult to try and control his behavior.

We all have our weaknesses. A genetically inherited weakness, if it exists, is not a license to do the wrong thing.


23 posted on 06/20/2014 11:05:50 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: bigbob
Think about it - if homosexuality were genetic, it would have died out long ago because homos can’t mate to pass along that characteristic.

If that's true then autism should have died out long ago as well since the number of autistic adults producing children is very low.

24 posted on 06/20/2014 11:05:58 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: RoosterRedux

I agree. It is a good analogy. Alcoholics are addicted to alcohol. Gays are addicted to _____ . ....: )


25 posted on 06/20/2014 11:06:50 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind

Indeed - nearly all homosexuals are addicts of one kind or another, alcohol, drugs, sex


26 posted on 06/20/2014 11:07:15 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Crucial

Let’s say homosexuality has a genetic element ( for arguments sake ), what follows? Should we celebrate it?

If Pedophilia has a genetic element, should we celebrate it too?

This mistake in thinking a naturalistic fallacy. You can’t get an “ought” from an “is.”

Even if homosexuality is natural, it doesn’t prove it OUGHT to be. You can replace homosexuality with Pedophilia or Alcoholism and the argument would be the same.

And scientists who are attempting to prove homosexuality is inborn agree.

Harvard geneticist Dean Hamer, himself a homosexual, says, “Biology is amoral; it offers no help in distinguishing between right and wrong. Only people guided by their values and beliefs can decide what is moral and what is not.”

Simon LeVay, a Harvard trained neuroscientist and also openly gay, concurs: “First, science itself cannot render judgments about human worth or about what constitutes normality or disease. These are value judgments that individuals must make for themselves, while taking scientific findings into account.”

The MORAL issue as to what predisposition our society should accept as normal in order for it to be beneficial to society is an entirely separate issue altogether.

It will now lie on MORAL FOUNDATIONs.

If our country’s MORAL foundation is going to be Judaeo-Christian and we still want to preserve that foundation, then we will say that homosexual acts are wrong and immoral.

If not... well I guess anything goes. One man’s meat becomes another man’s poison and it will all depend on who is in power.


27 posted on 06/20/2014 11:07:23 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: jsanders2001

RE: Alcoholics are addicted to alcohol. Gays are addicted to _____ . ....: )

Clever gays will take issue with this.

They will then turn around and say, why can’t you say heterosexuals are addicted to ___________.....?


28 posted on 06/20/2014 11:08:42 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

I think Shakespeare wrote it best

Shall I compare thee to someone gay?
Thou art more lovely and don’t have some other guy’s penis in your behind.


29 posted on 06/20/2014 11:09:46 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: MarineBrat

Are you Rick Perry in real life? If so, I’m just letting you know I am available as a communications and strategy consultant for a sizable fee.


30 posted on 06/20/2014 11:10:35 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: MarineBrat

Are you Rick Perry in real life? If so, I’m just letting you know I am available as a communications and strategy consultant for a sizable fee.


31 posted on 06/20/2014 11:10:35 AM PDT by babble-on
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To: SeekAndFind

It was a PERFECT analogy. Anyone who protests should be asked if they are saying that homosexuals are addicted to sex in the same way they need to breathe and eat.


32 posted on 06/20/2014 11:11:03 AM PDT by Viennacon (t)
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To: RoosterRedux
I agree, what Perry articulated has always been my stand on the issue.

I like Perry believe that gays are born that way (although it's a spectrum and not black and white) but in the end it's the CHOICE to act on that born predisposition that is wrong.

33 posted on 06/20/2014 11:11:49 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: SeekAndFind

but equating those things is false, - see my post #5. Genes that altered how our ancestors metabolized alcohol would not have prevented them from reproducing, but having genes that caused them to avoid hetero sex would have.


34 posted on 06/20/2014 11:11:49 AM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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The gay gene was first identified in 1993 as a correlation between the genetic marker Xq28 and gay male sexuality. The results of this original study were never replicated, and the biological reality of such an entity remains hypothetical. However, despite such tenuous provenance, the gay gene has persisted as a reference in science news, popular science writings, and in press releases and editorials about biomedical research.


35 posted on 06/20/2014 11:12:14 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: RoosterRedux
Just because your born that way (if indeed they are) doesn’t mean it can’t and shouldn’t be corrected.

One can debate the right or wrong of his beliefs, but one thing that obvious is only an idiot would take the bait of a question like this and run with it. Still not ready for prime time.

36 posted on 06/20/2014 11:12:18 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: bigbob
Excellent point! I hadn't thought about it like that.

That said, if it were some part of the genetic makeup, some who may have that gene and don't act on it (i.e. don't give in to their homosexual urges or just grow out of them) may have families and pass it on.

I don't think there will ever be a way of proving for sure, but if I had a child who thought he/she were gay, I'd be getting some psychiatric help for them ASAP.

37 posted on 06/20/2014 11:12:21 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: SeekAndFind

More gay newsroom activists waging a war of hysteria.


38 posted on 06/20/2014 11:13:44 AM PDT by a fool in paradise (The new witchhunt: "Do you NOW, . . . or have you EVER , . . supported traditional marriage?")
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To: SeekAndFind
exactly! My suggestion to gay men has always been to find a very manly butch lesbian to hook up with.

Heck they could even both get sex changes if they wanted and I would still be ok with it, as long as they were with someone who was born the opposite sex.

39 posted on 06/20/2014 11:14:26 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: DoodleDawg
Maybe, but I find it refreshing that someone would pick up a grenade like this and try to deal with it.

Our politicians need to quit sweeping this stuff under the rug IMHO. Our civilization is under attack from all sides and someone is going to have to lead.

40 posted on 06/20/2014 11:14:30 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: SeekAndFind
> They will then turn around and say, why can’t you say heterosexuals are addicted to ___________.....? And I'll turn around and say:
41 posted on 06/20/2014 11:16:02 AM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: SeekAndFind

We KNOW that there is a genetic predisposition in some people to be alcoholic. Does this excuse them from public intoxication and DWI? Why should a genetic predisposition to Homosexuality, which has never been seen or pinpointed, be excused much less celebrated?

Homosexuals are sick, just like active alcoholics. Treatment works for both. That is a PROVED fact. People have turned away from drinking and homosexual activity through treatment and prayer.


42 posted on 06/20/2014 11:16:03 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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To: SeekAndFind

I have never known a gay or a lesbian who wasn’t a raging sex addict. Their lives are built around their addiction.


43 posted on 06/20/2014 11:17:43 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Obama: Race is his cover...jihad is his game.)
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To: bigbob
you are forgetting that throughout nearly all of civilization women were basically sold by their families into marriage and would have had no say in the matter.

Pre-civilization they would have simply been raped by the biggest conquering savage regardless of their attraction to someone of the same sex.

44 posted on 06/20/2014 11:21:16 AM PDT by TexasFreeper2009 (Obama lied .. the economy died.)
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To: RoosterRedux

RE: I have never known a gay or a lesbian who wasn’t a raging sex addict. Their lives are built around their addiction.

Then why do many of them want to get married and have kids?
Are you saying that most of these marriages are “open”?


45 posted on 06/20/2014 11:22:11 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: bigbob; windcliff

I’m with Perry to the extent that I know a fair amount of middle-aged men who’ve raised families within monogamous heterosexual marriages, and have gone all-homo once the children were grown.

(P.S. I ain’t one of ‘em.)


46 posted on 06/20/2014 11:22:35 AM PDT by onedoug
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To: SeekAndFind

Didn’t the AMA just come out and say it WAS a choice? Gender is not genetic, it is how you FEEL.


47 posted on 06/20/2014 11:23:26 AM PDT by SolidRedState (I used to think bizarro world was a fiction.)
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To: RoosterRedux
Maybe, but I find it refreshing that someone would pick up a grenade like this and try to deal with it.

Blew up right in his face, didn't it?

48 posted on 06/20/2014 11:25:32 AM PDT by DoodleDawg
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To: smokingfrog
There is NO GAY GENE.

If sexual orientation is genetically determined, then the concordance rate among identical twins should be 100%. If one twin is gay, so should be the other. Alas, the concordance rate, according to researchers Peter Bearman from Columbia and Hannah Bruckner from Yale, is somewhere between 5% and 7%. Oops.

The Guardian swallows hard, but notes this fact:

"The flawed thinking behind a genetic test for sexual orientation is clear from studies of twins, which show that the identical twin of a gay man, who carries an exact replica of his brother's DNA, is more likely to be straight than gay. That means even a perfect genetic test that picked up every gene linked to sexual orientation would still be less effective than flipping a coin."
In other words, the genetic evidence for biological causation is so poor you'd have better luck predicting orientation by throwing darts blindfolded.
Nuff said. - See more at: here.
49 posted on 06/20/2014 11:26:38 AM PDT by BuckeyeTexan (There are those that break and bend. I'm the other kind. ~Steve Earle)
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To: DoodleDawg
Why not? Why play into the sodomites hands? As an elected official he not only has the right but the responsibility to explain WHY homosexuals should not be afforded special privileges to marriage. I think his answer was correct. If he stuck to his guns he would help to sway lots of wishy washy idiots who don't understand what is so dangerous about giving into the sodomites.

We KNOW that thousands of men and women who where once active homosexuals have been, through prayer and treatment, are now in heterosexual relationships that are successful and sexually fulfilling.

50 posted on 06/20/2014 11:27:23 AM PDT by Jim from C-Town (The government is rarely benevolent, often malevolent and never benign!)
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