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Rand Paul: I Don't Blame Obama for Iraq Turmoil [NBC Goes To Town With This Byline!]
NBCNews ^ | June 20, 2014 | CARRIE DANN

Posted on 06/20/2014 12:54:01 PM PDT by Steelfish

Rand Paul: I Don't Blame Obama for Iraq Turmoil BY CARRIE DANN Sen. Rand Paul says he doesn’t blame President Barack Obama for the ongoing turmoil in Iraq and that former Vice President Dick Cheney and other proponents of the Iraq War should ask themselves the same questions Cheney is raising now about the conflict.

“What’s going on now -- I don’t blame on President Obama,” Paul said in an interview with NBC’s David Gregory to air on “Meet the Press” Sunday. “Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution. But I do blame the Iraq War on the chaos that is in the Middle East."

In an op-ed this week authored with his daughter Liz, Cheney wrote of Obama that "rarely has a U.S. president been so wrong about so much at the expense of so many."

Paul, a possible 2016 presidential candidate known for his breaks with Republican defense hawks on foreign policy, said that Cheney’s criticism of the president’s strategy should also be questioned. Cheney is widely credited as a key architect of the 2003 war.

“I think the same questions could be asked of those who supported the Iraq War,” Paul said. “You know, were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? That’s what the war was sold on. Was democracy easily achievable? Was the war won in 2005, when many of these people said it was won? They didn’t really, I think, understand the civil war that would break out.”

(Excerpt) Read more at nbcnews.com ...


TOPICS: Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: cheney; iraqcrisis; obama; randpaul

1 posted on 06/20/2014 12:54:01 PM PDT by Steelfish
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To: Steelfish

FURP!!


2 posted on 06/20/2014 12:55:41 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Steelfish

Rand Pauls old man was a real idiot when it came to foreign policy and national defense issues. Apparently the nut doesn’t fall too far from the tree.


3 posted on 06/20/2014 12:56:16 PM PDT by shelterguy
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To: Steelfish

Libertarians, the gift that keeps on giving.


4 posted on 06/20/2014 12:57:31 PM PDT by Resolute Conservative
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To: Jim Robinson

Ron Paul needs to read this!

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380806/foreign-policy-questions-president-mona-charen


5 posted on 06/20/2014 1:00:00 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

Romney/Paul 2016!!! Yay! Yay! Yay!

/s


6 posted on 06/20/2014 1:02:26 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Steelfish
People who view the Muslims (whether Sunni or Shiite) as I view them find it hard to blame anyone else for the fact that they are killing one another. They've been doing this for centuries. It seems to be what they do. There is something wrong with that religion or the way in which many Muslims practice that religion.

It's pretty crazy but crazy is normal for them, it seems. Someday, maybe, they'll work out their differences. It's up to them.

7 posted on 06/20/2014 1:07:46 PM PDT by Tau Food (Never give a sword to a man who can't dance.)
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To: Steelfish

It looks like I will have to revise the family budget. I’ll strike the planned contribution to the Rand campaign.


8 posted on 06/20/2014 1:10:13 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress in 2006.)
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To: Steelfish
I am so sick of the Rand Paul, Marco Rubio, John MeCain, Linda Graham, John Cornyn's of the Republican party!!

They claim to be Conservatives but poke Conservatives in the eye every chance they get!!

I Obama had left an American Coalition on the ground in Iraq, the sunni muslims would not be so brazen!

9 posted on 06/20/2014 1:10:51 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Jim Robinson; Steelfish

Can Rand Paul or his daddy explain this?

ISIS Reportedly Captured Saddam’s Chemical Weapons Stockpiles, Attacks Key Refinery
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/3169938/posts

Did Saddam Have WMDs After All: ISIS Overruns Iraq Chemical Weapons ‘Mega-Facility’
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3169960/posts


10 posted on 06/20/2014 1:11:38 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (I will raise $2Million for ANY 2016 pro-2nd Amendment candidate.)
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To: Steelfish
But I do blame the Iraq War on the chaos that is in the Middle East

Yeah, it was so stable and peaceful up until then.

11 posted on 06/20/2014 1:11:48 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Steelfish
The Peter Paul candy company: Rand Paul photo: Ron and Rand Paul Ron_Rand_Paul2.jpg Sometimes you feel like a nut. But usually you don't.
12 posted on 06/20/2014 1:12:39 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: Tau Food

Let’s hope they never work out their differences. It may be the main reason they did not take over the world in the past, and perhaps it is our best hope for our future.


13 posted on 06/20/2014 1:13:49 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress in 2006.)
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To: Steelfish
Was the war won in 2005, when many of these people said it was won? They didn’t really, I think, understand the civil war that would break out.

Nonsensical. When you win a war, that war isn't "unwon" because the defeated nation falls into civil war later on.

14 posted on 06/20/2014 1:14:59 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: ChessExpert
Let’s hope they never work out their differences. It may be the main reason they did not take over the world in the past, and perhaps it is our best hope for our future.

I honestly had to check the post you were responding to to figure out if you were talking about the muslims or the Pauls!

15 posted on 06/20/2014 1:16:36 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Steelfish

You may question whether we should or should not have gone into Iraq in the first place, which I think we probably did not have a choice - I still believe there were WMD and the Saddam was playing footsie with terrorists. Once we did, and you permanently altered the balance of power in the region, it is a given that you have to stay for a good long while. Because if you leave prematurely, there is no doubt that really bad folks who hate us will fill the vaccuum. Choose your poison: ISIS, Al-Queda, Iran. None are good choices. An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.

Why is staying for the long haul such a foreign thought? We are still in Korea, Japan, Italy and Germany. This emphatically is Obama’s fault because we should have never left.


16 posted on 06/20/2014 1:17:42 PM PDT by RatRipper (The political left are utterly evil and corrupt)
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To: Steelfish
Were there weapons of mass destruction there? That’s what the war was sold on.

Yes there were, and it's about damn time someone grew the balls to say so.

Was democracy easily achievable?

It is *never* easily achievable. Which is not relevant anyway. We should have cleaned out Hussein and the weapons, installed some sort of western friendly autocratic regime and left.

It is not our job, nor is it achievable, to nation build. Ditto in spades for Afghanistan. Three months after we took out the guts of the Taliban we should have, as I suggested above regarding Iraq, just left.

Our job was to remove the near term threat to our own national security (Iraq), and to eradicate those Taliban bastards to the maximum degree possible (Afghanistan) and get the hell out both countries as expeditiously as possible.

That is all. Period (as Dear leader would say).

Rand Paul, you have really disappointed me.

17 posted on 06/20/2014 1:20:54 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ((If you can remember the 60s.....you weren't really there)
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To: dead

Sorry about that. I should have made it clear that I was talking about Muslims.

I was shocked when a friend first told me that Islam was as much a political movement as it was a religion. It turns out he was right.


18 posted on 06/20/2014 1:21:50 PM PDT by ChessExpert (The unemployment rate was 4.5% when Democrats took control of Congress in 2006.)
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To: Steelfish

I rest my case with that turdbrain Rand Paul. What in blazes will he come out with next; That Osama bin Laden was a poor misunderstood Eagle Scout?! Rand Paul may be O.K. as a surgeon, but as a legislator he’s in a class with John McCain; and I’d never risk him doing surgery on me!


19 posted on 06/20/2014 1:22:15 PM PDT by Tucker39 (Welcome to America! Now speak English; and keep to the right....In driving, in Faith, and in politic)
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To: Steelfish

DO NOT TRUST RAND PAUL!!!!!


20 posted on 06/20/2014 1:25:09 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Carthego delenda est
Romney/Paul 2016!!! Yay! Yay! Yay!

That's Ann Coulter's dream team! She's gone whackadoodles!

21 posted on 06/20/2014 1:26:20 PM PDT by Bushbacker1 (Molon Labe! (Oathkeeper))
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To: Bushbacker1

Not a single penny to this ass after this comment. What idiocy!
Here’s Mona Charen:

http://www.nationalreview.com/article/380806/foreign-policy-questions-president-mona-charen


22 posted on 06/20/2014 1:29:42 PM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Steelfish

What is it with these liberal Republicans that they seem to believe they need to defend democRATs?


23 posted on 06/20/2014 1:32:46 PM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Steelfish

“United Nations Security Council Resolution 687 passed in April 1991 established formal cease-fire terms at the close of Operation Desert Storm. The controversies over enforcing this and subsequent resolutions would lead to the outbreak of another war 12 years later.” So reads the wikipedia article on the Iraq/Kuwait War (Desert Storm) The WMD controversy that has been cemented over the years gives the dims and the UN that voted for this mess cover, while leaving Bush and Cheney as the sole responsible parties - according to the Rand Pauls of the world. He’s just doing anti-war simpleminded lip-service to gain that all important “independent” voter. What does Rand Paul know about anything outside of his fantasies?


24 posted on 06/20/2014 1:45:40 PM PDT by februus
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To: Steelfish

What should have happened since we were hell bent on going to Iraq in the first place, when we caught Saddam, tried and hung him it was time to saddle up and head for the house and let the rag heads sort their own s*** out.


25 posted on 06/20/2014 1:45:57 PM PDT by anchorclankor (From the main part of Missouri)
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To: dead

He didn’t say he blamed the chaos on the Iraq war. He said he blamed the (current) Iraq war on the chaos there. You seem to have read that backwards.

As easy as it is to want to blame Obama, the truth is it was Bush who set the withdrawal timetable, and the elected government of Iraq didn’t want to extend it. The Shiites couldn’t wait to boot the Sunnis out of any power in the government, which is why the Sunni troops don’t consider fighting ISIS their battle. Both sides wanted us out so they could get back to killing each other.

Ironically, Joe Biden may have been right about something for the only time in his life when he suggested the only long term solution might be splitting Iraq into Sunni, Shiite and Kurdish states. OTOH, as long as Muslims are killing each other, we can hope they will be too busy to cause us trouble.


26 posted on 06/20/2014 1:47:45 PM PDT by Hugin
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To: Steelfish

So why did Rand Paul do that filibuster if Obama has no control of military decisions?


27 posted on 06/20/2014 2:31:41 PM PDT by RginTN
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To: Hugin
He didn’t say he blamed the chaos on the Iraq war. He said he blamed the (current) Iraq war on the chaos there. You seem to have read that backwards.

I considered that reading, which is closer to his words, but in context that really didn't make much sense.

What's going on there now is not a war exactly, chaos would be more accurate. The Iraq war ended when Iraq surrendered.

I think he just phrased it awkwardly. Watching the video, immediately after he says that he continues with "these are the people" and he's talking about it Cheney etc.

To me, it's clear that he's blaming the current chaos on the Iraq war Cheney supported.

28 posted on 06/20/2014 3:12:20 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: Steelfish

Typical....Another R begging for the votes of anti-Americans on the backs of those who love this country dearly.


29 posted on 06/20/2014 3:17:08 PM PDT by roses of sharon ("Truly I tell you, today you will be with me in paradise." Luke 23:43)
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To: Steelfish

Dead to me.


30 posted on 06/20/2014 3:42:53 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: Steelfish

Your 15 minutes is up Rand! Time to go away!!


31 posted on 06/20/2014 4:07:23 PM PDT by lionstar
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To: Steelfish

Let’s see how long it takes him to WALK THIS BACK.

I predict by noon tomorrow.


32 posted on 06/20/2014 5:40:04 PM PDT by BobL
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To: Bushbacker1

Anne who?


33 posted on 06/21/2014 3:01:52 AM PDT by ebmiller (Podcasts are the way to go)
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