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WMDs in Iraq discovered?
ijreview ^ | 6-20-14 | Kyle Becker

Posted on 06/20/2014 3:02:57 PM PDT by tpanther

The Iraq War is supposed to be “ended,” or so the administration claimed, but the heavily armed “terrorist army” ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham) is rampaging through Iraq and has taken control of a chemical weapons complex. The Telegraph reports:

The jihadist group bringing terror to Iraq overran a Saddam Hussein chemical weapons complex on Thursday, gaining access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin.

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Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad in a rapid takeover that the US government said was a matter of concern.

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The facility was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s as the locus of Saddam’s industrial scale efforts to develop a chemical weapons development programme.

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So this is the 2nd source I've seen this week. NOT A PEEP ON NEWS though. Not even Fox...WTF? "Not military grade? Yet can't safely be moved?" HUH?
1 posted on 06/20/2014 3:02:58 PM PDT by tpanther
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To: tpanther

WMD’s in Iraq? No way. All the libs say it was a lie.


2 posted on 06/20/2014 3:06:51 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: tpanther; Fred Nerks

WMDs in Iraq You mean the Russians actually left some behinf instead of hauling them to Syria, like was done with most of them.


3 posted on 06/20/2014 3:07:32 PM PDT by Candor7 (Obama fascism article:(http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html))
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To: tpanther

Because there were no WMDs. LibTards are not alone in saying this one is BS. It is.


4 posted on 06/20/2014 3:07:32 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: tpanther

It’s actually sort of hillarious in a tragi-comic way. The very WMD’s that GW Bush “lied” about, are now talked about in a matter-of-fact way by the media since the ISIS group now controls them. My sides are hurting.


5 posted on 06/20/2014 3:07:53 PM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: tpanther

If there were WMD/chemical weapons there why didn’t we get rid of them while WE had control of the facility for, I don’t know, the past 10 years or so?

I’m calling BS on this.


6 posted on 06/20/2014 3:15:34 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Jim Robinson

Hate to admit it Jim, but there are a lot of folks here to have trashed Bush non-stop for over a decade based on the absence of WMDs in Iraq.

The consensus was that those WMDs did exist. Europe, the U.N., Democrats in the United States, Members of the Senate and House, the President, the military advisers, the CIA, they all those those WMDs existed.

Finally, they’ve been found.

There was a reason to go into Iraq after all. Who knew?


7 posted on 06/20/2014 3:15:36 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Lorianne

Actually, if some of the old guard in Iraq defected to Syria, because the sheriff was coming to town, they could have stored those things away on the trip.

We always suspected those things went to Syria. Perhaps they only went part of the way to Syria. Or perhaps these guys are bringing things back in from Syria.

I have no doubt they existed. And it’s entirely possible nobody would tell our troops, because the folks who know where the WMDs were, had fled into Iraq.

I don’t think this is BS. I think there’s something to it, and if there is, I certainly don’t want it in the hands of terrorists.


8 posted on 06/20/2014 3:18:51 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: tpanther

Here’s the stink from what I can gather. The facility is called Al Muthanna. After UNSCOM failed to destroy the chemicals there during the 1980s, Saddam used chemicals manufactured there to kill civilian targets. In the 90s, the facility was heavily damaged during the war, in which it was a target for US bombing campaigns.
The facility was subsequently sealed off and remained thus throughout the invasion in the 00s. It was simply too dangerous to operate. Because of this, the suspected WMDs were not believed to have been manufactured or housed in this facility. It was abandoned and entrances were blocked off. Despite this, there were sporadic reports of looters who had found a way into the facility.

During US occupation, the military made the decision that it was safer to leave the chemical weapons buried in the unstable environment than attempt to move them, which would have been a monumental and expensive task. Supposedly, both UN and ISG inspected the facility to the best of their ability, however this was likely incomplete because it sprawls over 10 square miles, with underground laboratories. The interior is highly hazardous for humans to enter.

Now that we are aware that members of Saddam’s Baathist military command, including al-Douri, are helping ISIS to topple the Shi’ite government, it is not beyond the realms of possibility that they are aware of how to access a deeper sub-level of the complex where less degraded weapons could be available. Even degraded amounts of VX are highly effective regardless. I very much doubt they hit this place by accident.

The idea that these terrorists cannot use these chemicals unless they are ‘military grade’ (which means they are safe for weaponization and use) is lunacy.


9 posted on 06/20/2014 3:20:21 PM PDT by Viennacon (Liberals are like vomit in a lot of ways)
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To: Jim Robinson

What am I missing? Once upon a time US military was all over that place like stink on doo doo, and yet these neanderthal’s of Islam take over a known chemical weapons factory with a cache of poison sitting there since Hussein’s time!?

Sounds like BS to me.


10 posted on 06/20/2014 3:20:47 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: rockinqsranch

I don’t know. See post #9 just above yours.


11 posted on 06/20/2014 3:23:39 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Viennacon; rockinqsranch

bump


12 posted on 06/20/2014 3:24:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Viennacon

I had a theory years ago about this. Search FR for, “WMDs = Cheese”


13 posted on 06/20/2014 3:30:09 PM PDT by RandallFlagg (Uninstall Fascist Firefox. Get Pale Moon.)
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To: RIghtwardHo

If your house is said to have no termites in it and then termites are found there, you don’t say “This can’t be true because my house has no termites.”


14 posted on 06/20/2014 3:35:19 PM PDT by reasonisfaith ("...because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved." (2 Thessalonians))
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To: Jim Robinson

Another democrat lie comes back to bite them in the ass. Maybe the ISIS terrorists can provide a practical demonstration of the WMDs to lurch, close up and personal.


15 posted on 06/20/2014 3:35:33 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: Jim Robinson; Viennacon

Thanks for that Viennacon, and for calling post #9 to my attention Jim.

Viennacon’s information appears thorough, and complete, but I still cannot comprehend how any American leader military, or Political of that era could screwup the works leaving such a cache as described with even limited access by anyone much less a warring people known for their lack of respect for life. It boggles the mind, costs be damned.


16 posted on 06/20/2014 3:36:54 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: RJS1950

Maybe some VX in the Heinz beans


17 posted on 06/20/2014 3:37:20 PM PDT by Viennacon (Liberals are like vomit in a lot of ways)
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To: Viennacon

This makes sense, but do you have a source?


18 posted on 06/20/2014 3:40:22 PM PDT by LS ('Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually.' Hendrix)
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To: Viennacon

That would do.


19 posted on 06/20/2014 3:43:54 PM PDT by RJS1950 (The democrats are the "enemies foreign and domestic" cited in the federal oath)
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To: tpanther

What makes you think fox would cover the issue?They are anything but conservative.


20 posted on 06/20/2014 3:45:40 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: rockinqsranch

Information is more thorough on the facility history with regard in particular to chemical artillery rounds (not dissimilar to what Assad has used) here

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User:Ipankonin/Duelfer_Chemical_Weapons_quotes

It does seem to be a lack of any foresight by the American military command that this facility was not dealt with, but bear in mind.

1) The facility was obviously so damaged and unstable that Saddam had decommissioned it himself. It was not apparent that the facility was a threat.

2) Nobody expected what would come later with ISIS. People were anticipating a residual force after the hard-fought gains in Iraq, a la South Korea. With a then-stable government in place, there just wasn’t a credible threat at the time.

3) I would suspect (though I have no evidence) that the facility was brought to al-Malaki’s attention. At the end of the day, a decommissioned and dangerous chemical facility is his problem, and people probably suspected him to deal with it in the interest of public safety. Obviously this didn’t happen.

With all that being said, I am sensing that this was just sloppy. Nobody wanted to do a full run-down on the complex, and with all the madness that occurred as the war wound down, people just wanted to forget about it, resign it to history as just another relic of a by-gone decade.
The most important thing to note is that if the inspection by ISG was incomplete due to the unstable nature of the facility, then the intelligence on what was inside is based off of the UNSCOM report written during the 1980s. We may not have adequate intelligence on anything manufactured between that report and Desert Storm.


21 posted on 06/20/2014 3:53:05 PM PDT by Viennacon (Liberals are like vomit in a lot of ways)
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To: DoughtyOne
Actually, if some of the old guard in Iraq defected to Syria, because the sheriff was coming to town, they could have stored those things away on the trip.

There were claims that some Russian eyewitnesses had affirmed that an airlift and truck convoys had moved a lot of stuff to Syria before the Marines showed up.

Also, don't forget the biological research: Dr. Death's research complex, which had been video'd intact in February before the invasion, was revisited by the same PBS TV team after the invasion and found stripped of its files, equipment, storage, everything.

22 posted on 06/20/2014 3:57:17 PM PDT by lentulusgracchus
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To: HANG THE EXPENSE

Well Fox at least covers what all the lame stream media ignores. They enjoy being a thorn in their side. ALBEIT they can be quite slow. Maybe that’s it, perhaps we’ll see it just the same as soon as someone gets wind of it...but right now there’s so many zerrhoid scandals, where do they begin each day, ya know?

Watch NBC nightly news sometime, I do just to keep tabs of the loons and their leading story tonight was some mudslides in Minnesota.


23 posted on 06/20/2014 3:57:31 PM PDT by tpanther (Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.)
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To: tpanther

Let me get this straight. The WMD’s that got us into Iraq in the first place, but weren’t there, are now the WMD’s that are going to get us involved again. Where’s Rod Sterling?


24 posted on 06/20/2014 4:09:47 PM PDT by DeWalt (Times are more like they used to be than they are today.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I always felt like they went to Syria, some perhaps poured into the Tigris and/or Euphrates...others hidden all over the country, but the thing that just kills me, is people wantonly ignore the fact that the SOB USED WMDs on kurds...we even see the evidence from time to time, poor dead kids gassed to death in the streets...so please PLEASE someone show me the evidence sodamn insane turned over a new leaf and quit making them, quit using them, and didn’t pursue making them, including nukes (remember when Israel took out their nuke facility, what back in ‘86?)

How many times could trucks have potentially hauled WMDs back and forth over the border with Syria? Or even carts hauled by mules?

Why do people give that SOB the benefit of the doubt, I’ll never ever know!

We KNOW WMDs were there, he USED them for God’s sakes! Work from that premise and prove they were ALL removed, destroyed...whatever...it’s not sane people’s burden to prove they existed when for heaven’s sakes they were USED ON PEOPLE...it’s insane people’s burden to prove they don’t exist based solely on insane’s compliance and cooperation in destroying them!

And I trust the UN’s capability of proving they were destroyed just about as much as I trust sodamn insane...ZERO!

Oh, and remember the idiot breaking what 18 UN resolutions? Shooting at our airmen patrolling the no-fly zone? Or threatening to shoot them...

Insane and sons were terrorists that repeatedly threatened America and the world with WM. He battled or invaded every single neighbor but Syria.


25 posted on 06/20/2014 4:13:43 PM PDT by tpanther
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To: Jim Robinson
The truth about what Saddam did and didn't have is buried in those 10,000 Iraqi documents DEMOCRATS insisted be taken off the internet and out of public view.

The spineless Pubbies of course acquiesced. Many things to be pi$$3d off about the Bush administration and this move is in my top five.

26 posted on 06/20/2014 4:17:06 PM PDT by gov_bean_ counter (Romans 1:22 Professing themselves to be wise, they became fools)
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To: tpanther

Obamma moved them back to give to Isis.


27 posted on 06/20/2014 4:20:15 PM PDT by aces (Jesus Saves not Society)
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To: tpanther

WTF?

We’ve been there enough years and no one thought to crow about it and then destroy them?


28 posted on 06/20/2014 4:21:48 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: DoughtyOne

But we supposedly had control of this facility for some number of years.

Are we to believe that we knew they were there all this time and did nothing and not a peep about it leaked out to the media?

How could they move them back there (from wherever) when ISIS has only just overrun the facility?


29 posted on 06/20/2014 4:22:02 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: tpanther

No, Fox news is reporting it and saying over and over that there were no poisons there, it was an “old” factory and it could conceivably be started up again but the insurgents are too stupid to know how but they could get the old scientists to do so, blah blah blah.


30 posted on 06/20/2014 4:24:31 PM PDT by hulagirl (Mother Theresa was right)
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To: Viennacon; Jim Robinson

As yourself I too sense a sloppiness. Unacceptable IMO, but here we are facing a repeat performance due that sloppiness I believe we can attribute to the deliberate choreographed hinderance employed by the Leftist Democrats at the time, and the currently Leftist Democrat/Obama factor.

Thanks for your response.


31 posted on 06/20/2014 4:26:02 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: tpanther

It seems to me that a well placed drone might kill 2 birds with one stone.


32 posted on 06/20/2014 4:35:22 PM PDT by freeangel ( (free speech is only good until someone else doesn't like it)
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To: hulagirl

News to me, I watch Fox all the time and have seen no such thing. Got a link?


33 posted on 06/20/2014 4:50:27 PM PDT by tpanther
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To: rockinqsranch

https://www.cia.gov/library/reports/general-reports-1/iraq_wmd_2004/chap5_annxB.html

You might all want to check out this CIA report on the place.


34 posted on 06/20/2014 4:51:38 PM PDT by hecticskeptic
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To: RIghtwardHo
Because there were no WMDs. LibTards are not alone in saying this one is BS. It is.

So the Pentagon lied in 2008 about Canada secretly purchasing Iraq's supply of yellow cake uranium and Jack Wilson was the epitomy of truth when he wrote the Op-Ed article claiming that Hussein never obtained yellow cake uranium from Niger, that launched a 3 year investigation into who in the Bush administration outed his dumbass wife as allegedly being a "covert" CIA agent........

OK, bro, I got it........

Syria's Chemical Weapons Came From Saddam's Iraq

Pentagon announces 500 tons of Uranium shipped from Iraq to Canada

500 tons of uranium shipped from Iraq, Pentagon says

35 posted on 06/20/2014 4:52:30 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (By now, everyone should know that you shoot a zombie in the head. Don't try to reason with them...)
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To: freeangel

I would not put it past zerrhoid to destroy any evidence. I also don’t trust our media to inform.


36 posted on 06/20/2014 4:53:56 PM PDT by tpanther
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To: DeWalt

right?


37 posted on 06/20/2014 4:56:39 PM PDT by tpanther ((Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.))
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To: tpanther

Bump


38 posted on 06/20/2014 4:59:38 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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To: lentulusgracchus

Thanks for the mention. It was tough to keep up on some aspects and I either missed this or had forgotten about it.


39 posted on 06/20/2014 5:13:04 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Lorianne

Lorianne, I’m not sure. Is it in the same lab? If so, you make a good point. If it’s buried somewhere different, then I could have been hidden.


40 posted on 06/20/2014 5:14:21 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: Lorianne
Are we to believe that we knew they were there all this time and did nothing and not a peep about it leaked out to the media?

The CIA report was classified for who knows how many years. Came up on a Google search this week. Not only did the classified people know they were there, but we do not know exactly what was there. Simply because the bunkers were too dangerous to enter. It tested positive for WMD agents. The Baathist helping ISIS probably know because they were in the facility before it got bombed and before it was cemented shut, and they went to this facility. If it was dangerous and they did not want anything, they would have left it alone.

At any rate, a bunker too dangerous to enter is a perfect place to hide stuff. Would just require some suicide volunteers.

Also the inspection teams did find some WMD manufacturing equipment that did appear to be intact and not busted up by UN inspectors.

There are also many miscellaneous WMD items and components just buried deep in trenches.

41 posted on 06/20/2014 5:35:04 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: Hot Tabasco

exactly...I remember...fascinating how people forget eh?


42 posted on 06/20/2014 5:37:43 PM PDT by tpanther ((Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.))
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To: justa-hairyape

One thing is certain, lunatic Bush’s fault liberals will move the goal-posts.

I can hear it now...

“Well, there weren’t MANY WMDs found, not enough to really DO anything and most certainly not worth going to war over”...simulataneously ignoring the fact that WMDs were not the sole reason for removing that terrorist and his terrorist sons.

Or...of course my favorite...while “Bush and Cheney created hurricane Katrina with their weather-raygun to hurt black people...they also found the time to plant these WMDs”!


43 posted on 06/20/2014 5:47:00 PM PDT by tpanther ((Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.))
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To: Lorianne

BS is right.


44 posted on 06/20/2014 6:08:31 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Lorianne

Really?

You think this article and the other one confirming pretty much the same thing I read earlier in the week are made up?

And who would be behind it and why? Oh, and why now?


45 posted on 06/20/2014 6:36:50 PM PDT by tpanther ((Science was, is and will forever be a small subset of God's creation.))
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To: tpanther
I read the initial reports; I read this one, too. Unless there's something new they're not reporting, they're all the precursor chemicals that have been inspected/labeled/inspected ad nauseam by the UN. They're not 'chemical weapons'; they're the same chemicals that the libs refused to consider WMDs when (rightly) mocking the Bush admin.

There were no WMDs; Curveball lied (imho, he was a double agent) and it was all fake. Carnegie Endowment Report, 'WMD in Iraq: Evidence and Implications' and a summary thereof. Chemical arms can be made from basic industrial chemicals and, yes, some specific precursors. The 'dirty little secret' was that Iraq made lousy chemical weapons with very short shelf lives. Many of what's reported here is 'old news' and twisted/relabeled for propaganda. I'm mad as hell that no one was previously prosecuted at any intelligence levels for this failure (let alone Curveball). The same idiots (CIA) that led the Bush admin to war with false intel are still at work, apparently.

These reports do not excite me; they piss me off.

The DailyBeast/Newsweek (libs) seem intent on a drumbeat to war of-late. Maybe they shouldn't have sat silently when the Puppet refused to leave ANY 'Stay-behind Forces' under the Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq governing drawdown, framed under GW.

Libs on a drumbeat to war during which the lib mantra was "Bush lied/people died" and there was literal silence as the casualty rate dramatically escalated in 'Bama's Good War' (AF). Nice. /s

Libs drumbeating for war over...what? I must've hit my head last night and awoke in 'Idiocracy' or 'Bizzaro-world'; wake me when it's over...I've got a bottle to tame...

Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion . . . and you allow him to make war at pleasure . . . If today he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, “I see no probability of the British invading us”; but he will say to you, “Be silent: I see it, if you don’t.

Abraham Lincoln

20 years ago I might not have agreed with that statement. 20/20 hindsight being what it is, well...
46 posted on 06/20/2014 6:56:58 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: tpanther

I’m saying it doesn’t make sense.

Why would we not get rid of the chemical weapons while we had control of the area they are supposedly in?


47 posted on 06/20/2014 7:18:09 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: logi_cal869

It’s not just libs drumbeating for war.


48 posted on 06/20/2014 7:21:31 PM PDT by Lorianne (fedgov, taxporkmoney)
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To: Lorianne
Why would we not get rid of the chemical weapons while we had control of the area they are supposedly in?

What I've heard is, those bunker complexes had been compromised by the US bombing campaign prior to the invasion, making it dangerous to enter them and dispose of the contents. Sounds fishy to me; don't we have chem suits? Even so, I doubt the troglodytes have qualms about sending people into contaminated bunkers to retrieve chem weapons.

49 posted on 06/20/2014 7:23:33 PM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: Lorianne
It’s not just libs drumbeating for war.

Correct. My reaction, however, is apropos of the phase shift in media/MSM reporting of-late...almost making the case for the Puppet.

50 posted on 06/20/2014 7:29:11 PM PDT by logi_cal869
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