Posted on 06/20/2014 3:02:57 PM PDT by tpanther
The Iraq War is supposed to be “ended,” or so the administration claimed, but the heavily armed “terrorist army” ISIS (Islamic State of Iraq and al-Sham) is rampaging through Iraq and has taken control of a chemical weapons complex. The Telegraph reports:
The jihadist group bringing terror to Iraq overran a Saddam Hussein chemical weapons complex on Thursday, gaining access to disused stores of hundreds of tonnes of potentially deadly poisons including mustard gas and sarin.
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Isis invaded the al-Muthanna mega-facility 60 miles north of Baghdad in a rapid takeover that the US government said was a matter of concern.
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The facility was notorious in the 1980s and 1990s as the locus of Saddam’s industrial scale efforts to develop a chemical weapons development programme.
(Excerpt) Read more at ijreview.com ...
The CIA report was classified for who knows how many years. Came up on a Google search this week. Not only did the classified people know they were there, but we do not know exactly what was there. Simply because the bunkers were too dangerous to enter. It tested positive for WMD agents. The Baathist helping ISIS probably know because they were in the facility before it got bombed and before it was cemented shut, and they went to this facility. If it was dangerous and they did not want anything, they would have left it alone.
At any rate, a bunker too dangerous to enter is a perfect place to hide stuff. Would just require some suicide volunteers.
Also the inspection teams did find some WMD manufacturing equipment that did appear to be intact and not busted up by UN inspectors.
There are also many miscellaneous WMD items and components just buried deep in trenches.
exactly...I remember...fascinating how people forget eh?
One thing is certain, lunatic Bush’s fault liberals will move the goal-posts.
I can hear it now...
“Well, there weren’t MANY WMDs found, not enough to really DO anything and most certainly not worth going to war over”...simulataneously ignoring the fact that WMDs were not the sole reason for removing that terrorist and his terrorist sons.
Or...of course my favorite...while “Bush and Cheney created hurricane Katrina with their weather-raygun to hurt black people...they also found the time to plant these WMDs”!
BS is right.
Really?
You think this article and the other one confirming pretty much the same thing I read earlier in the week are made up?
And who would be behind it and why? Oh, and why now?
There were no WMDs; Curveball lied (imho, he was a double agent) and it was all fake. Carnegie Endowment Report, 'WMD in Iraq: Evidence and Implications' and a summary thereof. Chemical arms can be made from basic industrial chemicals and, yes, some specific precursors. The 'dirty little secret' was that Iraq made lousy chemical weapons with very short shelf lives. Many of what's reported here is 'old news' and twisted/relabeled for propaganda. I'm mad as hell that no one was previously prosecuted at any intelligence levels for this failure (let alone Curveball). The same idiots (CIA) that led the Bush admin to war with false intel are still at work, apparently.
These reports do not excite me; they piss me off.
The DailyBeast/Newsweek (libs) seem intent on a drumbeat to war of-late. Maybe they shouldn't have sat silently when the Puppet refused to leave ANY 'Stay-behind Forces' under the Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq governing drawdown, framed under GW.
Libs on a drumbeat to war during which the lib mantra was "Bush lied/people died" and there was literal silence as the casualty rate dramatically escalated in 'Bama's Good War' (AF). Nice. /s
Libs drumbeating for war over...what? I must've hit my head last night and awoke in 'Idiocracy' or 'Bizzaro-world'; wake me when it's over...I've got a bottle to tame...
Allow the President to invade a neighboring nation whenever he shall deem it necessary to repel an invasion . . . and you allow him to make war at pleasure . . . If today he should choose to say he thinks it necessary to invade Canada to prevent the British from invading us, how could you stop him? You may say to him, “I see no probability of the British invading us”; but he will say to you, “Be silent: I see it, if you don’t.20 years ago I might not have agreed with that statement. 20/20 hindsight being what it is, well...Abraham Lincoln
I’m saying it doesn’t make sense.
Why would we not get rid of the chemical weapons while we had control of the area they are supposedly in?
It’s not just libs drumbeating for war.
What I've heard is, those bunker complexes had been compromised by the US bombing campaign prior to the invasion, making it dangerous to enter them and dispose of the contents. Sounds fishy to me; don't we have chem suits? Even so, I doubt the troglodytes have qualms about sending people into contaminated bunkers to retrieve chem weapons.
Correct. My reaction, however, is apropos of the phase shift in media/MSM reporting of-late...almost making the case for the Puppet.
Well, ok then.
If we left them there and assumed no one would bother with them, that’s on us.
Stupid.
What's on us? I defy you to cite one single MSM article since 2003 confirming that there were WMD in Iraq! The MSM is in a real pickle, wanting to blame ISIS getting hold of WMD on GWB, but being completely unable to do so without putting the lie to the "Bush lied, people died" meme they've pushed for eleven years.
If there ARE chemical weapons in a location that we used to control but now don’t, and we didn’t dispose of them when we could have, then that’s on us. That is stupid.
It’s one or the other. The left can’t have it both ways but neither can we. They were either there and we did nothing about it or none of this is true at all.
I guess if you were a kurd back in the 80s and choked and bled to death in the streets, then the Iraqis were sufficient enough at making chemical weapons, no matter the shelf life.
Personally, I see this currently, as no reason to “go to war” either. I don’t think we have that to worry about. But this is hardly the point. Hypocrats made the removal of terrorist sodamn insane and sons 100% about WMDs when it clearly was not.
There was a previous lost war and subsequent breaking 18 resolutions after the fact...kind of parallels one other country circa 20s and 30s thumbing their nose at prior agreements, and that lunatic got ignored and appeased and before you know it you have tens of millions of people dead.
Again, I think it was the right thing to do to get rid of a terrorist regime with a proven track record for proclivity to attack and war with neighbors (Saudis, Iran, Israel, Kuwait), slaughter the kurds, trying to make nukes, yellow cake, yellow cake to Canada...it’s just too much reality to ignore.
So no...I don’t see it the same way libs (rightly) mocking W...after 911 when Bubba let Bin Laden go multiple times, and hypocrat after hypocrat is on record pre-war about what a menace Insane was and had to go yet never did a thing about it, AND Bush got congressional approval, the hypocrats didn’t have to vote for the war, then whined when W pulled the trigger?
MOREOVER, they did everything conceivable to support the enemy during time of war...but that’s what people like Heinz-Kerry do....and still does to this day. And to this day, they say it was an unnecessary war, blame Bush for zerrhoids failures post-war...and so on.
America hating communists using Islamic terrorists to degrade world stability and American security.
GREAT CALL!/s
And on the flipside of your argument with Lincoln you have Chamberlain and all those implications. Bush had no way of knowing the future or Iraq’s capability or Insane’s limits for violence. He had to work with what he had to work with and a lunatic with rape-rooms, feeding tigers people for fun, yet in charge of a country, a military, scud missles...8 million dead in the Iran/Iraq war...it’s not like this guy turned over some new leaf...if he did I sure missed it.
There were WMDs in Iraq...chemicals, scuds, tanks, jets, bombs, mortars, suicidal maniacs...
As Rush says, I live in Realville.
I guess read #9.
OR they were hidden...moved...brought back when the coast was clear...OR more were made and later stockpiled...I mean how on earth would you possibly know for sure?
That’s what W had to work with post 911...a lunatic that liked to go to war, liked to use chemicals to burn kids, liked to rape men and women, and feed his enemies to tigers.
He used chemicals on kurds, so when exactly was it that he stopped pursuing nukes, chemicals, etc.?
The reason I do not want to go back to Iraq, is if sunnis are killing Shiites and vice versa, then that means, logically they’re spending more time and energy killing each other rather than Americans, brits, Israelis....
Question: When Zerrhoid said he would stand with his muslim brothers when the political winds blow ill....was he going to stand with sunnis or Shiites?
The Left *does* have it both ways, all the time. So why can't we?
Because you really don’t have it both ways while being transparently dishonest.
The American people will see very quickly how stupid and negligent this is, if indeed it is true that chemical warfare apparatus was left for future ‘insurgents’ to find and use.
But I guess we can always pretend that it was a smart and strategic move on our part.
The story goes that this stash was ‘sealed’ by previous bombings.
Which is it?
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