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Conservatives Increasingly Wary of Opposing Gay Marriage
NBC News ^ | 6/20/14 | Perry Bacon, Jr.

Posted on 06/20/2014 5:12:23 PM PDT by madprof98

Conservative Republicans seem to be surrendering in the fight on gay marriage.

At an annual conference this week for the Faith and Freedom Coalition, the religious conservative organization led by former Christian Coalition executive director Ralph Reed, the wave of court rulings over the last year that have struck down gay marriage bans from coast to coast went almost entirely unmentioned.

Speaker after speaker – including a parade of possible 2016 presidential candidates – served up plenty of criticism of the Obama administration and its policies. But none condemned “activist judges,” as Republicans like George W. Bush have in the past. A handful of them invoked the phrase “traditional marriage” or suggested marriage was between a man and a woman, but the leading presidential hopefuls -- including Kentucky’s Rand Paul, Texas’ Ted Cruz, and Florida’s Marco Rubio -- completely avoided the subject.

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Sigh! And it's not just NBC. National Review has the same take. Marriage? Family? Forget it!
1 posted on 06/20/2014 5:12:23 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: madprof98

The nation is under the control of evil. Very sad days ahead for America.


3 posted on 06/20/2014 5:16:01 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: madprof98

‘Conservatives” are not. Those who deign to speak for them are.


4 posted on 06/20/2014 5:17:33 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: madprof98

Conservatives ARE NOT increasingly wary.

Conservatives remain steadfast in their opposition.

It’s the RINOs who muck it up for everyone.


5 posted on 06/20/2014 5:19:32 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: skeeter

Exactly!


6 posted on 06/20/2014 5:19:48 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: skeeter

That’s why we need to kick those blankity Blanks to the curb too.


7 posted on 06/20/2014 5:20:28 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: madprof98

Rome falls


8 posted on 06/20/2014 5:20:50 PM PDT by Cold Heart
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To: madprof98

B/S. If they don’t oppose, they’re not conservative.


9 posted on 06/20/2014 5:23:50 PM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: madprof98

Conservatives Increasingly Wary of Opposing Gay Marriage

"Conservatives?"


10 posted on 06/20/2014 5:23:55 PM PDT by COBOL2Java (I'm a Christian, pro-life, pro-gun, Reaganite. The GOP hates me. Why should I vote for them?)
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To: madprof98

The conservative who opposed “civil unions” or some other mechanism by which gay couples could have the same privileges and protections as heterosexual married couples bear some responsbility.

By refusing a solution that did not redefine marriage everyone became (rainbow) painted into corners.


11 posted on 06/20/2014 5:26:29 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: madprof98
List of issues the GOP has walked away from:

(1) Gay Marriage

(2) ObamaCare

(3) Debt Ceiling

(4) Budget Sequester

(5) Destruction of the Coal Industry

(6) Enforcing Immigration Laws

The good news:

We still support gun rights and the Keystone Pipeline.

12 posted on 06/20/2014 5:26:37 PM PDT by zeestephen
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To: madprof98
We need to take over the RNC with guys like Dave Agema.

Dave Agema, citing 'liberal critics within the Republican Party,' skips RNC meeting
13 posted on 06/20/2014 5:27:46 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: lightman

Sorry, no. The very mention of civil unions these days throws the gay mafia into fits of rage. The very same people who proposed such solutions in the past now scoff at them as “separate but equal.”


14 posted on 06/20/2014 5:28:56 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: lightman

“Civil unions” were meant to be an incremental step toward the ultimate goal of same-sex marriages.

But thanks to activist judges, they were able to skip a step.


15 posted on 06/20/2014 5:31:18 PM PDT by Bratch
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To: madprof98

Not hardly.

Anyone fine with a cultural deviancy like homo-marriage just doesn’t qualify as a “conservative” to begin with.


16 posted on 06/20/2014 5:32:11 PM PDT by greene66
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To: madprof98

This is NBC propaganda. It’s what the Left does - try to sow seeds of doubt and declare that it’s “inevitable” and then conservatives accept the narrative.


17 posted on 06/20/2014 5:32:16 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: madprof98

Let me make this profoundly clear.

I WILL NEVER VOTE FOR A PRO-HOMO CANDIDATE.

PERIOD

This will be the death of the Repubicans. They will try to appeal to rats who will never vote for them, and as a consequence, sane people like me will never be behind them.

And I say this to the lurking Freepers who do not care about this issue (you know who you are), the GOPs retreat from this means much more than collapsing on the marriage issue.

Republicans have criticized these rulings as the result of activist judges acting unconstitutionally and abusing their authority. If they abandon that, if they say that this will be allowed to fly, they have NO grounds to oppose ANY court backed agenda and that includes Obamacare. That includes any future decision by a liberal court to deprive you of your firearms. You will have submitted to the kritarchy, a rule of judges.

I spit on the agenda, and its sympathizers within the party, of which many appear on Fox.


18 posted on 06/20/2014 5:37:41 PM PDT by Viennacon (Liberals are like vomit in a lot of ways)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
But it's not just NBC. It's National Review as well. On the Corner today:
One issue not much discussed in the remarks of any of the speakers who graced the stage was that of gay marriage. Asked whether he would have liked to hear more about it, [Ralph] Reed is agnostic. He says he defers to the judgment of the politicians with regard to “what issues they want to stress.” He knows, he says, that virtually all of the guests this weekend “believe marriage should be defined as between a man and a woman, that’s what the Republican platform says, and I don’t expect that to change.”

19 posted on 06/20/2014 5:42:06 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: Bratch; madprof98

I could have tolerated civil unions.

Had our side been more willing we might have been able to have civil unions for all be the definition of the State and allow Marriage to remain defined by the Church (and faith communities).

That’s not to say that all the gaysbians would have been satisfied; but I suspect the present mess could have been postponed for a generation or more.


20 posted on 06/20/2014 5:44:20 PM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: lightman

The “present mess” was supposed to be stopped FOR GOOD by amendments to state constitutions that defined marriage in the way it had always been understood. You see how well those stood up. When the elites want to destroy an institution, they destroy it. Why even give them an opening?


21 posted on 06/20/2014 5:46:02 PM PDT by madprof98
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To: lightman

They want “marriage” because of SocSec, pensions, other govt benefits, etc.

But as the years go by, they’ll also be a “jobs” program for “family practice” aka divorce attorneys.


22 posted on 06/20/2014 5:48:19 PM PDT by nascarnation (Toxic Baraq Syndrome: hopefully infecting a Dem candidate near you)
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To: Viennacon

Indeed. I remember during the 2012 campaign, right after Romney got back from Europe, and a reporter asked him his opinion on the Chick-Fil-A “buycott.” The pathetic way Romney responded, by not even offering a generic comment on people standing up for their beliefs, but stuttering an “uh, uh, that’s not part of my campaign,” demonstrated to me what a totally contemptable coward he was. The epitome of everything I despise in a politician. I was already loathe to vote for him, due to his siccing his operatives out to smear and trashtalk Palin. But this did it.

Of course, this was the very same bastard who helped facillitate homo-marriage in his own state as governor. Anyway, it was then and there I really knew in my gut that I couldn’t vote for the guy. The very first GOP candidate in my lifetime to not get my vote. No way in hell will I ever vote for a candidate who is either so cowed by the homo-fascists, or so degenerate as to embrace their agenda.


23 posted on 06/20/2014 5:49:33 PM PDT by greene66
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To: madprof98; kingattax; mulligan; DoughtyOne; COBOL2Java; lightman; Extremely Extreme Extremist; ...

Gays have always been able to get married and conservatives were fine with it.

It is same sex “marriage” that conservatives are against.

They’re using the same tactics here that they use with “immigrants”, when they say that conservatives are against immigrants. They conveniently leave out the all important modifier “illegal”.

We’re letting them control the language.


24 posted on 06/20/2014 5:49:48 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: aquila48

I agree with that. And yet, with the media drafting the language, it’s understandable.

We need Conservative alternatives for news in the media, and not just the internet.


25 posted on 06/20/2014 5:56:07 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: aquila48

How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!

Samuel Adams


26 posted on 06/20/2014 5:56:58 PM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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To: madprof98

I keep wondering if forcing same sex marriage down our throats and forcefully “normalizing” anal sex between men by judges will cause as big a rift in our nation as legalizing abortion has done. Or will it eventually be accepted... My gut tells me not.


27 posted on 06/20/2014 5:57:06 PM PDT by aquila48
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To: madprof98

Tough!

They are afraid of losing. They will lose everything if they don’t stand up for what is right.

If they try to out liberal the liberals, they will lose. Why would anyone want to vote for a 1/2 liberal, when they can vote for a full liberal.

No, stand up for conservative principles, and stand out.


28 posted on 06/20/2014 6:04:03 PM PDT by ForYourChildren (Christian Education [ RomanRoadsMedia.com - a classical Christian approach to homeschool])
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To: kingattax

They ignored the will of the people until they changed it. Now the majority of people believe someone who opposes gay marriage should be fired from their job and punished.


29 posted on 06/20/2014 6:04:15 PM PDT by nickcarraway
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To: madprof98

Not me. I will oppose it with my dying breath


30 posted on 06/20/2014 6:08:20 PM PDT by Old_And_Grumpy
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To: DoughtyOne

Ditto. This is psyops. Let’s not fall for it. Wasn’t there just a recent poll showing Republicans hadn’t moved morally, but Democrats had slid down the poll?

Blacks, Muslims, Latinos making up the majority of the Democrat base reject SSM. This is an opportunity, not a risk.


31 posted on 06/20/2014 6:08:50 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: madprof98

The fight for Traditional Marriage is becoming a losing battle. Many Religious Leaders are conceding the gay marriage fight to focus on Religious Liberty. Because once gay marriage is legal in all 50 states, the government will force all churches to approve of gay marriage.


32 posted on 06/20/2014 6:21:53 PM PDT by yongin (I'd rather be a part of the prophetic minority than the mushy majority.)
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To: madprof98

The battle is for religious freedom and the truth.

How interesting...and not coincidental that the pro-homosexual NBC “news” is running this story right at the time of the pro-MARRIAGE march in DC.

Hmm.

By the way, the NBC owned TV station in Miami Florida is an OFFICIAL SPONSOR of the annual homosexual parade in Miami Beach Florida. Their “journalists” even march in the event.

So we know where NBC stands.


33 posted on 06/20/2014 6:26:51 PM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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To: madprof98

Not this conservative. I’m sick of bullies, black bullies, gay bullies, pro-abortion bullies, redskin bullies, all bullies.

Sick of all of them because they will never be satisfied, never. Their cause is trumpeted from every mainstream media source, their judges rule in their favor no matter what the issue, our government is cuckoo-nuts over trying to make them happy but it’s not enough. Even when they ruin people’s careers or businesses for not worshiping at their altar, never enough.


34 posted on 06/20/2014 6:27:40 PM PDT by Kenny
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To: SoFloFreeper

I have feeling that the GOP will be just silent on the gay issue. Instead they will woo social conservatives by doubling down on abortion. Rand Paul at the Faith and Freedom meeting, mentioned how pro-life he was.


35 posted on 06/20/2014 6:31:26 PM PDT by yongin (I'd rather be a part of the prophetic minority than the mushy majority.)
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To: madprof98

The cowardice of politicians is not news.

I will never change my views about traditional morality because of the polls.


36 posted on 06/20/2014 6:35:25 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: madprof98

Oh, so now republicans will join in the celebration of perversity!

What a principled position!

I will never register as a republican again.


37 posted on 06/20/2014 6:54:48 PM PDT by bobo1 (progressives=commies/fascists)
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To: 1010RD

I agree.

We have all sort of opportunities out there, but our side has conceded so many debates, it’s hard for them to do it anymore.


38 posted on 06/20/2014 7:03:22 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: madprof98

No we are not.
Any Christian and American that does not oppose homosexual marriage is only hastening the destruction of American society..........
I stick with God on this.........


39 posted on 06/20/2014 7:09:22 PM PDT by 48th SPS
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To: madprof98; aposiopetic; rbmillerjr; Lowell1775; JPX2011; NKP_Vet; Jed Eckert; ...

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Government/2014/06/16/Nancy-Pelosi-Slams-Archbishop-Cordileone-For-Showing-Disdain-and-Hate-Toward-Gays-By-Participating-in-March-for-Marriage

http://www.sfarchdiocese.org/about-us/archbishop-cordileone/homilies-writings-and-statements/?search=march%20for%20marriage&C=940&I=4035

Dear Fellow Citizens,

Your letter sharing with me your thoughts on the upcoming “March for Marriage” in Washington, D.C., was forwarded to me while I was attending meetings out of town, and I have reflected on what you have to say. I appreciate your affirmation of my Church’s teaching—not unique to our religion, but a truth accessible to anyone of good will—on the intrinsic human dignity of all people, irrespective of their stage and condition in life. That principle requires us to respect and protect each and every member of the human family, from the precious child in the womb to the frail elderly person nearing death. It also requires me, as a bishop, to proclaim the truth—the whole truth—about the human person and God’s will for our flourishing. I must do that in season and out of season, even when truths that it is my duty
to uphold and teach are unpopular, including especially the truth about marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife. That is what will be doing on June 19th.

With regard to your request that I not attend the March, and the reasons you give for this request, allow me to explain the following points.

1. The March for Marriage is not “anti-LGBT” (as some have described it); it is not anti-anyone or anti-anything. Rather, it is a pro-marriage March. The latter does not imply the former. Rather, it affirms the great good of bringing the two halves of humanity together so that a man and a woman may bond with each other and with any children who come from their union. This is precisely the vision promoted by Pope Francis, who recently said, “We must reaffirm the right of children to grow up in a family with a father and mother.” Rest assured that if the point of this event were to single out a group of individuals and target them for hatred, I most certainly would not be there.

2. While I cannot go into all of the details here of your allegations against the sponsors of this event and scheduled speakers, I do know that at least some of what you say is based on misinterpretation or is simply factually incorrect. For example, it is not true that the National Organization for Marriage connects homosexuality with pedophilia and incest. What is true is that three years ago a conference was sponsored in Baltimore by the group B4U-ACT for the purpose of finding ways to encourage tolerance for pedophilia. A statement on NOM’s blogpost objecting to this conference affirmed that this is something that would outrage people in the gay community as well. Unfortunately, many conclusions are being drawn about those involved in the March for Marriage based on false impressions.

3. It gives me assurance that we share a common disdain for harsh and hateful rhetoric. It must be pointed out, though, that there is plenty of offensive rhetoric which flows in the opposite direction. In fact, for those who support the conjugal understanding of marriage, the attacks have not stopped at rhetoric. Simply for taking a stand for marriage as it has been understood
in every human society for millennia, people have lost their jobs, lost their livelihoods, and have suffered other types of retribution, including physical violence. It is true that historically in our society violence has been perpetrated against persons who experience attraction to members of the same sex, and this is to be deplored and eradicated. Sadly, though, we are now beginning to see examples, although thankfully not widespread, of even physical violence against those who hold to the conjugal view of marriage (such as, most notably, the attempted gunning down of those who work in the offices of the Family Research Council). While it is true that free speech can be used to offend others, it is not so much people exercising their right to free speech that drives us further apart than people punished precisely for doing so that does.

4. Please do not make judgments based on stereotypes, media images and comments taken out of context. Rather, get to know us first as fellow human beings. I myself am willing to meet personally with any of you not only to dialogue, but simply so that we can get to know each other. It is the personal encounter that changes the vision of the other and softens the heart.
In the end, love is the answer, and this can happen even between people with such deep disagreements. That may sound fanciful and far-fetched, but it is true, it is possible. I know it is possible, I know this from personal experience. When we come together seeking to understand the other with good will, miracles can happen.

When all is said and done, then, there is only one thing that I would ask of you more than anything else: before you judge us, get to know us.

Sincerely,
Most Reverend Salvatore Cordileone
Archbishop of San Francisco


40 posted on 06/20/2014 7:11:20 PM PDT by narses (Matthew 7:6. He appears to have made up his mind let him live with the consequences.)
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To: DoughtyOne

I think on both morality and economics we can really close the gap. We need to speak about real people and real issues. We need to use emotions the same way Democrats/liberals do, not to manipulate, but to tell the truth. We must tell the real story and do it with passion.


41 posted on 06/20/2014 7:14:23 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: 1010RD

I agree.

There are plenty of great arguments to be made.


42 posted on 06/20/2014 7:18:35 PM PDT by DoughtyOne
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To: madprof98

We’re all “openly gay” homosexuals now.


43 posted on 06/20/2014 7:32:12 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: madprof98

I read today that 30% of babies are born to unmarked mothers.


44 posted on 06/20/2014 7:38:02 PM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: nascarnation

Free bennies for sexual degenerates. Glorifying and applauding anal sex, only because the GOP is too damn cowardly to take a stand for real Americans. Stick a fork in both parties. I’ll vote Constitution Party in 2016 if RINOs are still in charge in Washington. And I could care less if my vote is wasted. I refuse to vote for any republican that will not publically condemn queer “marriage”. It’s the stupiest thing that has ever happened to this country. How low can we sink as a nation? Glorifying sodomy.


45 posted on 06/20/2014 7:39:35 PM PDT by NKP_Vet ("Truth is like a lion. You don't have to defend it. Let it loose. It will defend itself")
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To: madprof98

Seriously, what is the point? How do you stop raw judicial power? These are all federal judges, you can’t recall them, you can’t vote them out. The supreme court isn’t going to rule otherwise, and you’ll NEVER repeal it even if you manage to get the SC back in 10 years.

The organizations like NOM are standing strong, and there are still battles, but they are unfortunately more about protecting the fighters on our side from being captured and killed, so to speak. When people are getting fired, getting banned from employment, getting ordered into slavery for gay couples, just for supporting our side, and when you can’t win legislatively anyway, why not tell people it’s time to lay down your weapons and surrender, and live to fight another day.

It would be nice to maintain a stronger front, but our battle is now on the public relations front, since the courts have once again taken political decisions out of the hands of the people.

We are left to fight the consequences, which aren’t really about gay marriage since let’s face it, the total number of gay people who would actually get and stay married is not going to be large — it’s all the stuff that comes with it, we need to protect people like the bakers and the donors.

I AM NOT SAYING anybody here should stop fighting. I am saying I understand why people have stopped fighting. I live in a state where we banned civil unions by constitution, and now our AG has refused to defend our laws, and a judge has thrown them out.


46 posted on 06/20/2014 7:51:11 PM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: skeeter

you nailed it


47 posted on 06/20/2014 7:57:44 PM PDT by sten (fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
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To: Kenny

Well put.


48 posted on 06/20/2014 8:48:49 PM PDT by Nea Wood (When people get used to preferential treatment, equal treatment seems like discrimination.-Sowell)
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To: lightman; FatherofFive
The conservative who opposed “civil unions” or some other mechanism by which gay couples could have the same privileges and protections as heterosexual married couples bear some responsbility.

DING DING we have a winner. As a conservative and a Catholic I got reamed out on this site over that very position.

You want spousal rights over a legal fiction, great go for it, but you sure as HE!! are not going to call it a marriage and you are not going to force anyone into allowing it in a Church.

49 posted on 06/20/2014 11:08:35 PM PDT by verga (Conservative, leaning libertarian)
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To: yongin

Yes, and NOW Rand Paul is out basically ripping Cheney and, by proxy, supporting the CLOWN in the White House.

What a chump.


50 posted on 06/21/2014 2:26:52 AM PDT by SoFloFreeper
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