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'Lost' IRS emails: Get real, Team Obama, we’re not that gullible
FoxNews ^ | June 17, 2014 | Jay Sekulow

Posted on 06/20/2014 7:14:26 PM PDT by Innovative

Indeed, in the aftermath of this absurd assertion, the response from experts was overwhelming: The story makes no sense. IRS emails were not permanently stored on Lois Lerner’s computer alone (of course) but on servers that preserve records. They would remain there even if Lerner decided to do something outrageous like light her computer on fire in an effort to hide her criminal activity.

Ideology trumps the Constitution. That appears to be the Obama administration’s political doctrine in four simple words.

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TOPICS: Editorial; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: criminalobama; disappearingemails; irs; liers; loislerner; obama
This story must have been invented by the same people who claimed that the Benghazi terrorist attack was really just a demonstration sparked by an anti-Islam video.

They don't even bother to make up plausible stories...

1 posted on 06/20/2014 7:14:27 PM PDT by Innovative
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To: Innovative
"Get real, Team Obama, we’re not that gullible"

Oh yes we are. We'll whine and send emails to our friends...but that's about it.

2 posted on 06/20/2014 7:20:24 PM PDT by Baynative (How much longer will the media be able to prop up this administration?)
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To: Innovative

Every other organization in the planet can recall emails, but not obama’s IRS. These are the same people who want to be in charge if your medical records, all of them. And when they find out you are a member if the TEA party your medical records will be accidentally lost. That vital procedure delayed, that deadly allergy or drug interaction lost. ....


3 posted on 06/20/2014 7:24:21 PM PDT by ThunderSleeps (Stop obarma now! Stop the hussein - insane agenda!)
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To: ThunderSleeps

44 U.S. Code § 3301 - Definition of records

As used in this chapter, “records” includes all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government under Federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them. Library and museum material made or acquired and preserved solely for reference or exhibition purposes, extra copies of documents preserved only for convenience of reference, and stocks of publications and of processed documents are not included.

They are there.. if they can remember grandma who passed 30 years ago owes them 30 bucks, they know what the emails are about and how to get them.


4 posted on 06/20/2014 7:31:13 PM PDT by cableguymn (It's time for a second political party.)
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To: Innovative

I wish we had capital punishment for corrupt politicians. Off a few of them and government would get better.


5 posted on 06/20/2014 8:08:50 PM PDT by Joe Bfstplk
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To: cableguymn

When a drive crashes the whole system knows it and the drive is immediately restored from backups. At least that’s the way the should work.

Find the guy who didn’t restore the drive as required. Find out why.


6 posted on 06/20/2014 8:17:41 PM PDT by Boojum
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To: Innovative

Why bother, they’ve gotten away with murder already...


7 posted on 06/20/2014 8:17:43 PM PDT by bigbob (The best way to get a bad law repealed is to enforce it strictly. Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Baynative

I just don’t think it will take much more and people will be taking it to the streets. There is something new every week.


8 posted on 06/20/2014 8:23:14 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: ThunderSleeps

9 posted on 06/20/2014 8:30:14 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

How’s this.

These people want to live and act outside of the law.
OK fine, lets go all out. If they choose to live outside the law, then they do not get any Constitutional protections.

No pleading of the 5th. No ban of search and seizure.
No free speech or assembly.

Screw these people. I hope that some day, someone in the gop grows a set and just goes all flamethrower on these people.


10 posted on 06/20/2014 8:35:49 PM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is the CPUSA)
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To: Innovative

Obama and the IRS....

Sultans of sham, the crown of corruption, disciples of deceit.


11 posted on 06/20/2014 8:36:43 PM PDT by dragnet2 (Diversion and evasion are tools of deceit)
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To: Innovative

THIS AGENCY NEEDS TO BE CLEAN-SHEETED. FIRE ‘EM ALL.


12 posted on 06/20/2014 8:48:15 PM PDT by Rockitz (This is NOT rocket science - Follow the money and you'll find the truth.)
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To: Innovative

Let us stop right here and get real. Obama on his way out and can do what ever he wants to. Hell he’s been doing it already for two years of more. Will do no good to bitch about it and the gutless republicans and the House will talk , special prosecutor , impeachment, the Law, etc. but we all know he will leave office with absolutely NO consequences. Right? Here is my theory: let all these illegals in now, youth and older and on his last year, going out the door , declare them all legal and you know he can do it and nothing we can do about it but complain. That’s the way it is coming down. Who do I blame? stupid ass voters for not voting for real Conservatives (not republican RINOs) And states like California who keep putting Boxer, Pelosi and Feinstein etc back in office year after stupid year.


13 posted on 06/20/2014 8:54:34 PM PDT by fish hawk (no tyrant can remain in power without the consent and cooperation of his victims.)
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To: Innovative

There is only one conclusion that can be drawn from this. The truth is more damaging than the fallout from this concocted story. Would you rather spend one year or fifteen years in prison?


14 posted on 06/20/2014 9:01:44 PM PDT by GSWarrior
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To: GSWarrior

What fallout? Nobody is even reporting it except the so-called conservative media like Fox News.

ABCCBSCNNNBC nary a whisper.

And even when the rags like the NYT, Wash Post, Ganett, etc., have done stories, they’re on page A19...

No, there will be no repercussions because few outside our hyper-aware circle even know about it. The media is a very effective gate-keeper, and frankly are running away with wins for Obama....


15 posted on 06/20/2014 9:08:13 PM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: Innovative

Things needed to be clarified for our side for non-geeks like myself:

1. From Democrats we hear that “oh but IRS backups were ancient, done on old tape systems which were finally replaced in 2013, so when they were junked, the email backups were lost.” This was argued passionately by some Dem on O’Reilly’s show tonight....there was no attempt to rebut.

2.We keep hearing that Lerner’s emails were lost and six other key players, but how many others had their emails lost? Tens? Hundreds of IRS employees? Thousands? What’s the context?

Sorry, but before I can argue strongly with my liberal friends, we need to know from IT geeks.


16 posted on 06/20/2014 9:11:21 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Innovative

i saw this story that irs had contract with email backup company Sonasoft.
http://reason.com/blog/2014/06/20/the-irs-had-a-contract-with-an-email-bac


17 posted on 06/20/2014 9:16:21 PM PDT by patriot5186
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To: Texas resident
OK fine, lets go all out. If they choose to live outside the law, then they do not get any Constitutional protections.

Fascinating. They're "deniers".

Unalienable Rights deniers, or URDs. I like the sound of that.

18 posted on 06/20/2014 9:24:58 PM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Innovative

Some of those emails went to GOP leadership. I’m convinced of it. There is no other plausible explanation as to why they are not doing anything about it. That hearing today was a damn joke. Just like the rest of them.


19 posted on 06/20/2014 9:33:07 PM PDT by Lil Flower (American by birth. Southern by the Grace of God! ROLL TIDE!!)
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To: Innovative

Today, I listened to Cain, Rush, Hannity and Erikson drone on about the elfin’ hard drive. Its gone, forget about it. However, in the places I’ve worked, that all used Microsoft Office, all use Microsoft Outlook. Which, archives everything for 7 years, unless you go in there and take it out. I have a hard time believing that the Feds use anything else, but who knows.

Have a friend that does that computer forensics stuff. He stated that even the deleting of the files would show up with a date and time stamp.

To my point, the easiest way to get everything is simple. Get the computer geeks and go to every agency that they know she sent emails to at this point. Have them dig into those computers, servers and files and I’m quite sure they’ll be a treasure trove. Once they get one email and see all the people in the distribution list, then they go after those peoples files.

Its soooo damn easy, but I guess when you’re dealing with the feds, everything is difficult. And of course, how we can we trust any of these clowns to actually do their job, anyway.


20 posted on 06/20/2014 10:57:53 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: qaz123

I know a lot about email systems and servers having designed and installed systems for the past 25 years. The IRS it appears uses Microsoft Exchange, by its very nature a client server email system, meaning that ALL emails for a person are housed on a server and synced up with the local client application (usually Outlook). A client in today’s multi device world can access their emails via laptops, desktops, smart phones all which BTW can keep an isolated local copy of the emails. If the agency uses blackberry as many do for email, there usually is an entirely SEPARATE email subsystem that is synced with the main Exchange server. A modern server environment consists of sophisticated redundant arrays of hard drives that are backed up on tape (tapes that are rotated and shipped off site for safe storage) or currently some systems are backed up in a cloud. Also in terms of disaster recovery often large enterprises will have an entire fail over system of servers that have actively updated copies of the Exchange files ready for use in case of a catastrophic server/system failure. So there are likely multiple copies of email files for these scoundrels from tapes to multiple hard drives to blackberries even home PC’s....and from what we know of the NSA any cellular data traffice like blackberries are likely to be on their servers too.


21 posted on 06/20/2014 11:30:09 PM PDT by databoss
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To: Boojum

Not for nothing, but who roams the halls of justice these days?

Find the “girl” who didn’t restore the drive as required. Find out why.


22 posted on 06/21/2014 12:14:04 AM PDT by printhead (Standard & Poor - Poor is the new standard.)
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To: databoss

So, they have them. They just don’t want anyone to see them.

I say start making a list of all the people that they are going to look at. If everyones emails start disappearing, I’d like to say that their goose is cooked, but with these folks, who knows.


23 posted on 06/21/2014 12:47:04 AM PDT by qaz123
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To: Travis McGee

Your post is EXACTLY what I have been saying about Obamacare!!! If you don’t VOTE for DEMOCRATS and GIVE MONEY to DEMOCRATs you will get NO MEDICAL CARE....PERIOD!!! They will KNOW EVERYTHING ABOUT YOU!


24 posted on 06/21/2014 2:13:07 AM PDT by Ann Archy (Abortion.....the Human Sacrifice to the god of Convenience.)
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To: Innovative

Fundamental Transformation = We no longer back up data on redundant servers and tapes; we now save only locally on the client’s hard drive. We owe no apologies for this.


25 posted on 06/21/2014 2:24:27 AM PDT by kevao (Biblical Jesus: Give your money to the poor. Socialist Jesus: Give your neighbor's money to the poor)
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To: Innovative

I believe the information on those “e-mails” is so damning that it would create a constitutional crisis that our founding fathers could never have imagined.

In this case, the crime is far worse then the attempted coverup. I believe that the Republican leadership is aware of the scandal, and has decided to let it go.

If prosecuted to the end, I am sure that you will find that the IRS, FBI and Administration were complicit in trying to suppress the Republicans regarding the 2012 election. Obama won because of the fraud and intimidation.

This would destroy the current administrations as well as America’s trust in government. The “powers that be” in Washington could not accept that, so both sides have agreed to a coverup - for their own self interest. They are biding their time until Obama leaves office and hope that everyone will forget about this scandal by then.


26 posted on 06/21/2014 3:18:02 AM PDT by Cowboy Bob (They are called "Liberals" because the word "parasite" was already taken.)
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To: Innovative
They don't even bother to make up plausible stories...

And their increasing in-your-face-because-you-can't-touch-us stance should be a huge red flag for the People. They must think they are prepared enough that they can quell anything that may get thrown at them if the People finally wake up and rouse to action.

If you ain't scared, you ain't paying attention.

27 posted on 06/21/2014 3:46:15 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: Ann Archy

That’s why I always say,
“Welcome to the USSA, comrades!”


28 posted on 06/21/2014 4:48:21 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Alas Babylon!

29 posted on 06/21/2014 4:49:49 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: cookcounty

You have libturd “friends”?


30 posted on 06/21/2014 4:57:36 AM PDT by wastoute (Government cannot redistribute wealth. Government can only redistribute poverty.)
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To: Joe Bfstplk

“It is terrible to contemplate how few politicians are hanged” - GK Chesterton


31 posted on 06/21/2014 5:02:53 AM PDT by Hardastarboard (Please excuse the potholes in this tagline. Social programs have to take priority in our funding.)
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To: fish hawk
Could this be cover for RINO 'pubs working with the administration to end the Tea Party?

Is everyone complicit? If not, wouldn't those surrounding Obama involved in the coverups and false stories be in jail? That would be the way to stop the coverups and illegal activities....implicate everyone who follows orders to do illegal things.

32 posted on 06/21/2014 5:08:51 AM PDT by grania
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To: cookcounty

“Sorry, but before I can argue strongly with my liberal friends, we need to know from IT geeks.”

there are some really good posts here:

Republicans keep pressing IRS over lost emails from Lerner, six others (Calling IT Professionals!!!)

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/3169984/posts


33 posted on 06/21/2014 5:38:52 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Innovative
Ideology trumps the Constitution.

"Ideology" is the wrong word. It is apologetically tame. The correct word is POWER. Communists live for power above everything. Without it they are worthless, and they know it.

34 posted on 06/21/2014 6:40:17 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: Carry_Okie

The Bill of Rights needs an enforcement clause:
from website of L. Neil Smith

http://www.ncc-1776.org/index.html

“Any official, appointed or elected, at any level of government, who attempts, through legislative act or other means, to nullify, evade, or avoid the provisions of the first ten amendments to this Constitution, or of the Thirteenth Amendment, shall be summarily removed from office, and, upon conviction, deprived of all pay and benefits, including pension, and sentenced to imprisonment for life.”


35 posted on 06/21/2014 7:20:06 AM PDT by AMiller (Almiller)
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To: AMiller

Looks like you’ve been channeling Patrick Henry.


36 posted on 06/21/2014 8:57:01 AM PDT by Carry_Okie (ObamaCare IS Medicaid: They'll pull a sheet over your head and send you the bill.)
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To: Cowboy Bob

So we just let little Lois Lerner walk away with her nice fat pension and live out her life in the Boca DelVista development 4 condos...

They just arrested some 89 yo man for being a Nazi 69 years ago. LL needs to be arrested and hauled before a jury of her peers. She should have known better than to misuse her position of trust and authority and betray the American people.

LL needs to lose everything, including her freedom. Hopefully, the next LL will think twice before betraying the trust placed in their hands by the American people.


37 posted on 06/21/2014 9:05:46 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: qaz123

Actually, deleting the email would not have actually deleted the email. The delete action would have just have returned the disk address back to the address free list and would have allowed any other application running on the server to have written over that location on disk.

This is why we have diskcrashgate. Saying that the harddrives crashed allowed them to be removed from the machines and, ooooopsssie, allowed them to be recycled. Our Bad.


38 posted on 06/21/2014 9:13:14 AM PDT by Delta Dawn (Fluent in two languages: English and cursive.)
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To: Delta Dawn
diskcrashgate

ping

39 posted on 06/21/2014 9:26:16 AM PDT by alrea
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To: qaz123
Have them dig into those computers, servers and files and I’m quite sure they’ll be a treasure trove.

If this was you or I or any small business and they were under investigation by congress, wouldn't they come in the middle of the night with a swat team and warrants and seize everything you own? Seize your computer, to prevent tampering with evidence, isn't that what the lawman says why they take peoples computers that are under investigation, then why did congress allow them to tamper with evidence?

Could it be different law for them than you and I?

40 posted on 06/21/2014 11:22:39 AM PDT by thirst4truth (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point.)
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To: Innovative

We might not “buy” the lost emails story, but no one will do anything about it.

So what difference does it make.


41 posted on 06/21/2014 11:25:15 AM PDT by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence!)
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To: Delta Dawn

“So we just let little Lois Lerner walk away with her nice fat pension”

She is merely an instrument — where do you think the idea and orders came from?!


42 posted on 06/21/2014 11:57:31 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: Cowboy Bob
Part of the fall out is Brandon Eich losing his job at Mozilla. The IRS released the donor records of National Organization for Marriage to The Human Rights Campaign, the gaystopal, because they could.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/05/national-organization-for-marriage-donor-list-leaked-by-irs_n_3388357.html

That is how the militant gays found out about him giving money to prop 8, the human rights organization has all the donors names and addresses of all of their "enemies" that support the 6,000 year old tradition of one man, one woman in marriage.

43 posted on 06/21/2014 1:01:15 PM PDT by thirst4truth (Life without God is like an unsharpened pencil - it has no point.)
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To: Innovative

Just remember what happened to Michael Mahon Hastings when he crossed Obama! He found a tree..and died.


44 posted on 06/21/2014 1:40:41 PM PDT by ncfool (Hilary 2016 Procol Harum or Boko Haram. What difference does it make?)
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To: Alas Babylon!
What fallout? Nobody is even reporting it except the so-called conservative media like Fox News.

Question: When did FNC ever refer to itself as conservative?

Jesus Christ: You can’t impeach Him and He ain’t going to resign.




45 posted on 06/21/2014 9:12:34 PM PDT by rdb3 (Get out the putter, this one's on the green.)
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To: rdb3

Note I said so-called. So-called, because the President himself gives them that label, as well as the radical Left. I laugh when they do so, as I know that Fox News is NOT conservative, just prone to less Left-wing bias.

Fox News is the media’s Emmanuel Goldstein, conveniently placed to point fingers at and hate.

But really, all this is besides the point. The national media is not following or reporting on the missing emails/crashed hard drive/we’re not sorry about it IRS defiancy.


46 posted on 06/22/2014 1:26:09 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: thirst4truth

A few years ago, I spoke to an attorney that was involved in a lawsuit against a major metropolitan police department that I used to work for. A federal judge put some type of order out that all emails, texts, etc etc had to be stored/savee.

At some point, there was a major that was in the spotlight of the lawsuit. The lawyer subpoenaed her emails. Lo and behold, all of her sent emails, for about a 2 or 3 years period, were gone. And the place used Outlook, which saves everything for 7 years.

She stated that she never sent any. She always called on the phone or met face to face.. I had experience with this major and she was a really nice person, but dumber than a box of rocks. Anyway, I told the lawyer that if he wants any of her emails, all he had to do is go to the DA’s office and subpoena any/all emails she sent to certain units. Units that I knew people in. Units that I know she had to contact regularly. As I stated before, she isn’t too bright, so she was always contacting the DA’s office for advice. Lawyer never acted on it, as far as I know, and they settled the suit. Oh yeah, she was allowed to retire.


47 posted on 06/23/2014 9:30:07 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Innovative

after that hearing and the felon (first degree arrogance) smirking all the way., they must be up late in the WH tonight. Who ordered the pepperoni?


48 posted on 06/23/2014 9:33:31 PM PDT by morphing libertarian ( On to impeachment and removal (IRS, Taliban, Fast and furious, VA, Benghazi)!!!)
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