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Russia Reignites The Proxy War: Putin Offers "Complete Support" To Iraq
ZeroHedge (good read, all the same) ^ | 6 20 2014 | tyler durden

Posted on 06/20/2014 7:44:59 PM PDT by combat_boots

Russia Reignites The Proxy War: Putin Offers "Complete Support" To Iraq Prime Minister Scorned By Obama

Two days ago, before it was formalized that the US tacitly, if not explicitly, now supports the removal of the Iraqi Prime Minister whom it itself had helped elect, we summarized the geopolitical tensions and "national interests" in Iraq, which is shaping up to be a proxy war that makes last year's Syrian escapade pale by comparison, as follows:

The situation in Iraq, already a jumble of domestic sectarian violence, is now pitting virtually all major (and regional) international players against each other as well. There is:

(Excerpt) Read more at zerohedge.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; Russia
KEYWORDS: iraq; oil
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1 posted on 06/20/2014 7:44:59 PM PDT by combat_boots
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To: combat_boots

If they want the Iraq mess they can have it.


2 posted on 06/20/2014 7:47:20 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: combat_boots

You had to know this was coming


3 posted on 06/20/2014 7:48:28 PM PDT by rdcbn
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To: combat_boots
Just like Egypt


4 posted on 06/20/2014 7:48:54 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Forgive but don't forget)
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To: cripplecreek

Russian rules of engagement are likely to be considerably different from our own.


5 posted on 06/20/2014 7:55:15 PM PDT by Army Air Corps (Four Fried Chickens and a Coke)
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To: combat_boots
This is all about Turkey. Watch Turkey closely.

The Russians want to surround Turkey and then reduce it to a small rump state. The goal is to control the shipping traffic through the Bosporus, thereby owning the Black Sea and becoming a major Mediterranean naval power.

Taking Crimea was a huge step in that direction. Slapping down Georgia a few years ago and returning both Georgia and Armenia to Russia might be next on the agenda.

Putin already had solid allies in Greece, Bulgaria and Serbia in his plans to reduce Turkey.

I'm not sure what Putin has in mind in Iraq. Certainly, securing all of Iraq in a satellite state and uniting it with a subdued Syria would be great for him, as the Russians have a Syrian port and then they could build a pipeline and ship Gulf oil directly through Iraq and Syria to their port.

They'd control Europe's oil and gas (they already control the gas). They'd have Europe by the shorts.

If I was Turkey, I'd be very nervous. I can't imagine a total wuss like Obama would ever stand up to Putin in his drive to surround and dismantle Turkey, even if Turkey is a linchpin NATO member.

6 posted on 06/20/2014 8:02:43 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Army Air Corps

Exactly.


7 posted on 06/20/2014 8:03:02 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: combat_boots

Zer0 isn’t satisfied just to lose Iraq, no. He has to give it to Putin.

What a reset it’s been


8 posted on 06/20/2014 8:03:12 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

http://www.breitbart.com/Big-Peace/2014/06/20/ISIS-Announces-its-Next-Attack

They’re going into Syria.


9 posted on 06/20/2014 8:04:48 PM PDT by combat_boots (The Lion of Judah cometh. Hallelujah. Gloria Patri, Filio et Spiritui Sancto!)
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To: combat_boots

Bingo!

And then get agreements to run energy pipelines from Mosul to Red Square.

Next thing you know we’ll be supporting an upstart organization of rag tag nationalists against the USSR....

like the Mujahideen. ...


10 posted on 06/20/2014 8:15:07 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

I think they already have a pipeline through Iraq. They lost a ton of money in existing contracts when we went into Iraq.


11 posted on 06/20/2014 8:15:39 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: Gluteus Maximus

I think they already have a pipeline through Iraq. They lost a ton of money in existing contracts when we went into Iraq.


12 posted on 06/20/2014 8:15:53 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: combat_boots
Maybe. Syria is a big place, Russia's military reach is still rather limited, and as Afghanistan proved Muslims don't like Russians anymore than they like us. I think that Putin will use proxies in that theater of operations. It looks like He's committed to the Shias in Iran, Iraq and the Assad regime in Syria (who are basically Shias with a few twists)

If I were Putin I might use the chaos and Obama's dithering to make a move on Georgia. Just take it. Finish the job. The big factor there is the Baku-Tblisi-Ceyhan pipeline. The Oil Majors would go ballistic, but I don't think Obama has the balls to actually do anything about it. Having his hand on the switch of that pipeline would be a huge blow to Turkish power and prestige. He would screw Azerbaidzhan really bad. He'd be in a position to take Armenia and then have a land connection to Iran.

If he did that he'd have Turkey surrounded on three sides with Turkey's southern flank badly exposed.

Just my two cents.

13 posted on 06/20/2014 8:19:26 PM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: Gluteus Maximus
The Russians want to surround Turkey and then reduce it to a small rump state. The goal is to control the shipping traffic through the Bosporus, thereby owning the Black Sea and becoming a major Mediterranean naval power.

Returning Constantinople to the faith might play into this, as well...

14 posted on 06/20/2014 8:59:48 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: Ignorance on parade.)
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To: combat_boots
Gee. So Obama's plan to use the ISIS invasion to force Malaki to resign did not work ?

And it was so well thought out....

15 posted on 06/20/2014 9:20:16 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: combat_boots

Putin is nasty, but he is also a chessmaster.


16 posted on 06/20/2014 9:20:22 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: combat_boots

I could be wrong, often am, but I’d be surprised if Putin gets involved to any degree in this mess.


17 posted on 06/20/2014 9:23:06 PM PDT by berdie
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To: combat_boots
"They're going into Syria"

Probably going back (with mountains of US-made weapons) to consolidate, and (as they expressly state) kill the pocket of Kurds, and Christians in NE Syria. Interesting that their stated target, al-Qameshi, the 10th largest city in Syria, is right on the Turkish border. They better hope the Kurds and Turks don't make common cause against them (though I would love to see it!).

18 posted on 06/20/2014 9:41:48 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: Gluteus Maximus
" Afghanistan proved Muslims don't like Russians anymore than they like us."

I think it more likely it proved they don't like aggressive atheists anymore than they like us. And Putin has somewhat adjusted, frequently praising Islam (though he claims to be a Christian).

19 posted on 06/20/2014 9:45:28 PM PDT by cookcounty (IRS = Internal Revenge Service.)
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To: cookcounty

“They better hope the Kurds and Turks don’t make common cause against them “

Whats up with that? A couple years ago the Turks & Kurds were bitter enemies. Now they are playing really nice together. Friends almost...


20 posted on 06/20/2014 9:55:42 PM PDT by FreeInWV (Have you had enough change yet?)
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To: FreeInWV

The enemy of my enemy is my friend.


21 posted on 06/20/2014 10:02:58 PM PDT by berdie
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Old rivalry aside, it is natural for Turkey to get close to Russia.
In 1990s Russia was the major market for Turkish manufacturing , right now Turkey is also a top destinations for Russian holiday makers, with millions of people visiting it every summer. Millions of Turks are working in Russia too, mostly in construction industry.
As far as Russians aren’t into crusades into Turkey and there are no Turkish slavers raiding Russian southern towns like it was it the time, all the problems between nations are simply artifical. A huge part of Turkish real estate and businesses are owned or controlled by muslim Russians, and Turkey is adequately advancing in Russia.
Not to mention it is wise to be friendly to Russia for Turkey. It is largely comparable to Ukraine in terms of size and firepower, so Putin can play a Kurd or Christian card the way it’s done in Ukraine they against Erdogan government easily.
Turkey is a divided country right now. A division is mostly between younger illiterate youth brainwashed by the Saudis, their ignorant village parents, and on the other side conservative secularists - the Ataturk followers who does their best to defy veils, sharia and all the crap.
Needless to say the west is not a model for the latter anymore, but Putin is rather appealing.


22 posted on 06/20/2014 10:09:50 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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To: combat_boots

Putin...rubbing Obama’s face in it.


23 posted on 06/20/2014 10:55:16 PM PDT by Jeff Head
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To: rdcbn
...while Obama hims and haws, Putin and the Axis of Evil move their respective Chess pieces.
There are those world leaders that understand how things work and manipulate them to the advantage of their countries and then, there are those who, after 6 years STILL don't have clue. In the beginning of the Obamian Era, we thought this stuffed shirt of a President was just inexperienced and niave but now the entire world sees that the man and his administration are a pathetic joke. Around the world people are asking themselves, “What happened to the America we knew”?
24 posted on 06/21/2014 12:02:11 AM PDT by Netz
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To: okie01

The silver lining..


25 posted on 06/21/2014 12:04:04 AM PDT by sheik yerbouty ( Make America and the world a jihad free zone!)
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To: cripplecreek
If they want the Iraq mess they can have it.

If the recent hegemony moves by Putin are part of the reasoning, then they'll gladly suck up a little bit of dross along the way.

26 posted on 06/21/2014 3:57:41 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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To: wetphoenix

Excellent points.


27 posted on 06/21/2014 11:14:00 AM PDT by Gluteus Maximus
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To: cookcounty
Probably going back (with mountains of US-made weapons) to consolidate, and (as they expressly state) kill the pocket of Kurds, and Christians in NE Syria.

The US, NATO, and Saudi Arabia have been arming and financing Christian killing Al Qaeda foreign mercenaries for three years in an attempt to overthrow the secular Syrian government. The result has been Al Qaeda getting their butts kicked by the Syrian Army.

Uncle Scam couldn't give major military hardware to Al Qaeda not matter how much John McCain and Limp wristed Lindsey wanted to. So Al Qaeda changed their name to ISIS and drove into Iraq to get the US tanks and US anti-aircraft missiles they needed, conveniently abandoned by the US trained Iraqi Army.

28 posted on 06/21/2014 1:00:50 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: Gluteus Maximus

Bottom line is on many levels Turkey for Russia is that Florida for America right now.
There basicaly three major obstacles for more integration.
First - history. For Russians traditionally Turks are slavers kidnapping women from their southern towns. For Turks Russians are Crusaders, eventually grabbing their land and killing muslims covering it as protection of Christians and other minorities. Needless to say all the facts behind it are left in 18-19th centuries and it is barely actual right now.
Second - Cold Warriors. Anti-Russian thinking was reinforced by NATO, with many anti-communist US-educated in the military but the remains of this faction, which by the way was extremely liberal, was all purged by islamist government in 2000s.
Third - islamism but Russians are very expierenced in negotiating this problem. Not to mention they have many allies in Turkey for that cause, starting from socialists and communists to Kurds and Christians and also secularist conservatives. In short - everyone with at least half a brain is heavily pro-Russian in Turkey right now which is a landslide actually.


29 posted on 06/21/2014 10:33:32 PM PDT by wetphoenix
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