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Doomsday prepper father accused of plotting to kill federal agents and stockpiling guns and explosiv
UK Daily Mail ^ | June 20, 2014 | Joel Christie

Posted on 06/20/2014 9:34:51 PM PDT by kiryandil

Federal agents this week searched the Florida home of a 'doomsday prepper' they alleged had stockpiled over 50 high-powered assault rifles and several explosive devices buried around his property as 'booby traps'.

However the warrant showed up little more than barrels of food.

Martin Winters, a father-of-three from Valrico, surrendered to police on Wednesday following a widespread two-day hunt.

Investigators had claimed the 55-year-old was preparing for 'an end-of-times event as prophesied by the Book of Revelations', according to ABC News...

(Excerpt) Read more at dailymail.co.uk ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: donutwatch; fbi; feos
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“He has erected a multitude of New Offices, and sent hither swarms of Officers to harass our people, and eat out their substance.”

Wonder how many taxpeasant dollars they blew on THIS particular FBLIE snipe hunt?

1 posted on 06/20/2014 9:34:51 PM PDT by kiryandil
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!!

Don’t worry they will find something. Now days the law is so complicated and so easily twisted that everyone and anyone can be found guilty of something.


2 posted on 06/20/2014 9:38:18 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: kiryandil
Five guns were found locked in a safe, according to 10 News.

I'm surprised they didn't claim they found "thousands of rounds of ammo" (aka a couple of boxes of .22LR.)

3 posted on 06/20/2014 9:41:22 PM PDT by Sooth2222 ("Suppose you were an idiot. And suppose you were a member of congress. But I repeat myself." M.Twain)
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To: Kartographer

> Don’t worry they will find something. Now days the law is so complicated and so easily twisted that everyone and anyone can be found guilty of something.

The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren’t enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

Ayn Rand


4 posted on 06/20/2014 9:44:17 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: jsanders2001

Personally I wouldn’t be all that surprise to have them knock on my door someday. Sadly when they do though I will more than likely never know for sure It will be a FReeper who will ‘turn’ me in for being a prepper.


5 posted on 06/20/2014 9:47:37 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: kiryandil

Investigators had claimed the 55-year-old was preparing for ‘an end-of-times event as prophesied by the Book of Revelations’, according to ABC News...


Is that illegal?


6 posted on 06/20/2014 9:49:04 PM PDT by boycott
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To: kiryandil

There should be a law, when ever they execute a search warrent for a prepper, they should have to pay the prepper 10x the value of his income for what he would be liable for if they actually found what they were looking for.


7 posted on 06/20/2014 9:59:07 PM PDT by dila813
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To: boycott

Yes. Yes it is.
In fact the Boy Scouts’ have ditched their ‘Be Prepared’ slogan for their new and improved motto: “Be fabulous!”


8 posted on 06/20/2014 10:00:17 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: kiryandil

They found nothing but some buried barrels of food and five lawful weapons stored in a home safe, yet the guy is still in jail and not set for trial until July 17. Someone explain to me how that is legal?


9 posted on 06/20/2014 10:02:13 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: kiryandil

He stockpiled guns?! HOW TERRIBLE!

But the feds stockpiling guns? Totally okay!


10 posted on 06/20/2014 10:13:47 PM PDT by Viennacon
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To: ponygirl

‘They found nothing but some buried barrels of food and five lawful weapons stored in a home safe, yet the guy is still in jail and not set for trial until July 17. Someone explain to me how that is legal?’

This has nothing to do with the law, this has everything to do with intimidation of other gun owners.


11 posted on 06/20/2014 10:17:23 PM PDT by Foundahardheadedwoman (God don't have a statute of limitations)
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To: kiryandil

“But we also must concern ourselves with the continued danger we face from individuals within our own borders who may be motivated by a variety of other causes from anti-government animus to racial prejudice. To that end, I am announcing today that the Department of Justice is reconstituting a committee on domestic terrorism that was first established nearly 20 years ago under my predecessor, Attorney General Janet Reno, in the aftermath of the Oklahoma City bombing. In the wake of that incident, the committee met regularly to assess and share information about such ongoing domestic terror threats.”
-Eric Holder


12 posted on 06/20/2014 10:23:20 PM PDT by Carthego delenda est
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To: Kartographer

1. Keep your mouth shut. NO ONE needs to know about your preparations.

2. If someone finds out you are “hoarding”, just refer them to this DHS site:

http://www.ready.gov/kit

and tell them you’re just following the government’s guidance.


13 posted on 06/20/2014 10:32:02 PM PDT by VanShuyten ("a shadow...draped nobly in the folds of a gorgeous eloquence.")
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To: ponygirl

Legal smeegal. The law is what the cops say it is. As a cop told me in 1973 “You’re guilty if I say you’re guilty.” The cops have been out of control for a long time. And I’ll bet you’ll be hard pressed to find one who has ever read one word of the constitution.


14 posted on 06/20/2014 10:37:34 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps.)
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To: Sooth2222

They’re with the hard drive


15 posted on 06/20/2014 10:45:48 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: boycott
Local opinion is...the man is the good, trustworthy, go-to-for-help type of unofficial “rural blue collar community leader” for long time locals, in a very small community, who desire competent direction in an emergency.

Hurricanes, imported criminals, dirty cops, corrupt feds trying to entrap local men...etc.

I don't state that as fact, just saying that's what I overheard somewhere.

We the people, have some issues with violent criminals, gangs, and/or illegals around here, in the largely lower middle class, rural and suburban areas.

16 posted on 06/20/2014 10:51:12 PM PDT by sarasmom (Extortion 17. A large number of Navy SEALs died on that mission. Ask why.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

It’s like that little Nazi d-bag said to Santilli at Bundy Ranch: “Your constitution doesn’t apply out here on the dirt! Your constitution will be decided from jail!” And these little Brownshirt Fascists believe it.


17 posted on 06/20/2014 11:11:59 PM PDT by ponygirl (Be Breitbart.)
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To: ponygirl

I hate to even think it but fire is going to have to be fought with fire. The people will have to become what they hate in order to stop from being forced into a life they hate.


18 posted on 06/20/2014 11:15:11 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps.)
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To: kiryandil
However the warrant showed up little more than barrels of food.

Great intel they put together there.

19 posted on 06/20/2014 11:20:14 PM PDT by TigersEye ("No man left behind" means something different to 0bama.)
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To: TigersEye

After he gets done with this lawsuit, there’ll be no need to prep!


20 posted on 06/20/2014 11:40:50 PM PDT by SgtHooper (This is not my tag!)
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To: kiryandil

The guy probably needed some help digging holes on his property, in order to bury more food. Spread a rumor to the feds, and see how quickly they dig up your property. Hopefully they won’t hold him on any bogus charges so he can make use of those holes.


21 posted on 06/20/2014 11:42:59 PM PDT by roadcat
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To: VerySadAmerican
I hate to even think it but fire is going to have to be fought with fire. The people will have to become what they hate in order to stop from being forced into a life they hate.

I can't believe someone hasn't felt like they have been harassed enough, and nutted up on some government dip stick. I am not saying that should happen, only that it is bound to happen, sooner or later.

22 posted on 06/21/2014 12:40:28 AM PDT by Mark17 (Rudyard Kipling: Liberals be wary, when the SHTF, The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon will clobber you)
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To: kiryandil

From earlier articles on this those “explosive devices” were pipes that would hold a shotgun shell. In other words, a homemade shotgun, which is not illegal if the length is over something like 26.5” overall.

5 rifles in a safe and food buried around the property? Interested in the Book of Revelations?

What’s going on here is a setup by a paid goon informant who likely went out of his way to entice him to sell him the homemade shotguns. I’d like to hear a tape of just exactly was said about all that between the two - wouldn’t surprise me if it was a Randy Weaver reprise.

The point is this government infiltrated this ‘network’ of his and intentionally set out to entrap him in my opinion.

It is a painful reminder that you have to keep your mouth shut if you are ‘prepping’


23 posted on 06/21/2014 1:48:15 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Kartographer
It will be a FReeper who will ‘turn’ me in for being a prepper.

They don't need that. You turned yourself in as a prepper and put yourself on the list by posting here as a leader, although they don't (yet) have probable cause for a warrant and no one on FR can give that to them. All they need is some local shoplifter who will give them probable cause in return for dropping the charges against the petty thief: "Yup, I heard Kart say he had . . ."

24 posted on 06/21/2014 3:25:06 AM PDT by Pollster1 ("Shall not be infringed" is unambiguous.)
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To: Pollster1

The first rule of fight club is that you do not talk about fight club.

The second rule of fight club is that YOU DO NOT TALK ABOUT FIGHT CLUB!


25 posted on 06/21/2014 3:48:00 AM PDT by RKBA Democrat (Be a part of the American freedom migration: freestateproject.org)
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To: kiryandil
Winters will remain in jail until his next court appearance on July 17.

So the FBI finds nothing but 5 guns locked in a safe and barrels of food and they keep this guy locked up. Why? Because it fits their prejudiced narrative that they wanted to find this guy guilty.

26 posted on 06/21/2014 3:52:40 AM PDT by Flick Lives ("I can't believe it's not Fascism!")
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To: sarasmom

Perhaps they’ll go around now rounding up all the local conservative leaders so that when the hammer falls, people won’t have good men to lead them.


27 posted on 06/21/2014 4:15:29 AM PDT by Bulwyf
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To: tumblindice

You joke but, Burger King has gone from, “Have it your way” to, “Be your way”. Oh, and by the way, you’re a racist, misogynist, homophobe.


28 posted on 06/21/2014 4:49:55 AM PDT by outofsalt
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To: Sooth2222
"I'm surprised they didn't claim they found "thousands of rounds of ammo" (aka a couple of boxes of .22LR.)"

Right....

They can make any half serious shooting enthusiast into some raving lunatic, with enough arms and ammo stockpiled to "start a war". "They had an arsenal in their home, with children living there!!!"

I'd love to see how these morons may sensationalize a story, just after walking into one of my 'gun rooms'. It isn't AT ALL uncommon for someone to have thousands of rounds of ammunition.(Just a few cases)

29 posted on 06/21/2014 4:56:45 AM PDT by KoRn (Department of Homeland Security, Certified - "Right Wing Extremist")
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To: Kartographer
I have personal experience with your scenario ... it happens and they do not admit mistakes nor even attempt to be lawful.


They had "heard" there was a militia in this area ... and the whole thing escalated beyond normal, sane conversation.


It got down to; "Does your mother know you're still a liar" type questions and lawyers are afraid to go with jury nullification.

(Suffice it to be, I am not divulging anything here except .... yep .. what you said ... and it doesn't have to be an overt "turning you in")

30 posted on 06/21/2014 4:58:14 AM PDT by knarf (brooklyn bridge)
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To: boycott

Was for him.


32 posted on 06/21/2014 5:08:00 AM PDT by sport
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To: ponygirl
You are now livinging obamatime, My FRiend. On November 4, 2008, everything as it once was known changed. White is now black, what once was right is now wrong. what once was wrong is now right. Up is down, down is up.

His main undoing was that he ran his mouth to an undercover FBI agent.

33 posted on 06/21/2014 5:13:24 AM PDT by sport
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To: ponygirl

You got that one right!


34 posted on 06/21/2014 5:15:24 AM PDT by sport
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To: VanShuyten

That is great advice!

I note that the list does not include any weapons for self-defense? Nor a tool kit? No ax, hatchet or knife?

And, only three days food and water?

Imagine that?

They want you to live long enough to be either taken care of, shuffled off to a FEMA camp, or relieved of your possessions by crazed lawless Zombies?


35 posted on 06/21/2014 5:16:59 AM PDT by Taxman
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To: SgtHooper
What lawsuit? You can't sue the Government without their permission. It is called Sovereign Immunity. Sometimes they give their permission to be sued, but still that permission has to be given.
36 posted on 06/21/2014 5:18:32 AM PDT by sport
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To: kiryandil
Winters allegedly told an undercover agent he had 50 AR-15 rifles buried on his property and other properties.

There you are. The Fight Club mantra is apt.

As is "loose lips sink ships". Pretty good advice to not be braggartly telling tall tales to strangers.

In this day & age, they just may very well be an 'agent'...

37 posted on 06/21/2014 5:22:21 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: kiryandil
Federal Thought Crime Police Capture White Christian

Arrested For Talking Too Much To Federal Rat


38 posted on 06/21/2014 5:35:41 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: kiryandil
...they alleged had stockpiled over 50 high-powered assault rifles...

So how many guns are we peasants "allowed" to have?

39 posted on 06/21/2014 5:41:19 AM PDT by TangoLimaSierra (To win the country back, we need to be as mean as the libs say we are.)
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To: boycott
Is that illegal?

Believing in The Bible and not obama?

It would appear so...

40 posted on 06/21/2014 5:57:26 AM PDT by null and void (In this war, the front line is at your front door...)
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To: Foundahardheadedwoman; ponygirl
ponygirl ~ ‘They found nothing but some buried barrels of food and five lawful weapons stored in a home safe, yet the guy is still in jail and not set for trial until July 17. Someone explain to me how that is legal?’

Foundahardheadedwoman ~ This has nothing to do with the law, this has everything to do with intimidation of other gun owners.

And hoarders, don't forget hoarders!

41 posted on 06/21/2014 5:59:12 AM PDT by null and void (In this war, the front line is at your front door...)
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To: Kartographer; ChocChipCookie; Marcella; Bride Of Old Sarge; WakeUpAndVote; yorkiemom; ...
I will more than likely never know for sure It will be a FReeper who will ‘turn’ me in for being a prepper.

That gets a rare dual-approval by both the Captain, and the Chief Medical Officer:


42 posted on 06/21/2014 6:03:49 AM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: KoRn
We don't need enough ammo to start a war (Gavrilo Princip did that with only two bullets) we need enough to finish a war!
43 posted on 06/21/2014 6:05:24 AM PDT by null and void (In this war, the front line is at your front door...)
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To: Kartographer

Don’t forget these are federal agents.
They are going after people who are preparing, not that he actually did anything. Meanwhile, there are MS-13 types here in our country and the feds turn a blind eye to them and their activities.

Seems to be the path of least resistance and/or orders from above. Probably both.


44 posted on 06/21/2014 6:07:26 AM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is the CPUSA)
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To: Old Sarge

And don’t forget, they are looking at these posts.
Nothing is secret except IRS emails.


45 posted on 06/21/2014 6:11:20 AM PDT by Texas resident (The democrat party is the CPUSA)
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To: kiryandil; Kartographer; ChocChipCookie; Marcella; Bride Of Old Sarge; WakeUpAndVote; ...

1st Rule of Prep Club: You do not talk about Prep Club.

2nd Rule of Prep Club: You DO NOT talk about Prep Club.

3rd Rule of Prep Club: If someone says “SHTF”, do a shot.

4th Rule of Prep Club: No more than two people to a retreat; one must be a buxom blonde coed for repopulating the human race.

5th Rule of Prep Club: One BOL at a time.

6th Rule of Prep Club: No tie-dye shirts, no socks with sandals, no ponytails, no drum circles.

7th Rule of Prep Club: Prepping will go on as long as it has to.

8th Rule of Prep Club: If this is your first post to Prep Club, you HAVE to buy all other preppers a shot.


46 posted on 06/21/2014 6:11:56 AM PDT by Old Sarge (TINVOWOOT: There Is No Voting Our Way Out Of This)
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To: kiryandil; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ...
At no point in history has any government ever wanted its people to be defenseless for any good reason ~ nully's son

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you must threaten to report me to the Mods if I don't add you to the list...

47 posted on 06/21/2014 6:12:01 AM PDT by null and void (In this war, the front line is at your front door...)
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To: Texas resident
Nothing is secret except IRS emails.

Texas resident for the thread win (FTTW)!

48 posted on 06/21/2014 6:29:13 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: TangoLimaSierra
So how many guns are we peasants "allowed" to have?

Whadda ya know! There's a law about how many "assault rifles" you as a peasant can own!

Must be a "secret law"...

49 posted on 06/21/2014 6:31:37 AM PDT by kiryandil (turning Americans into felons, one obnoxious drunk at a time (Zero Tolerance!!!))
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To: Texas resident
Nothing is secret except IRS emails.

What e-mails? The IRS uses smoke signals, apparently.

50 posted on 06/21/2014 6:32:05 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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