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The IRS Had a Contract With an Email Backup Company
reason.com ^ | June 20, 2014 | By Peter Suderman

Posted on 06/21/2014 2:21:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson

The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) said it can't provide emails sent between 2009 and 2011 that were requested by congressional investigators because of hard drive crashes.

The agency said that emails stored on dead drives were lost forever because its email backup tapes were recycled every six months, and employees were responsible for keeping their own long-term archives.

The IRS had a contract with email backup service vendor Sonasoft starting in 2005, according to FedSpending.org, which lists the contract as being for "automatic data processing services." Sonasoft's motto is "email archiving done right," and the company lists the IRS as a customer.

In 2009, Sonasoft even sent out a Tweet advertising its work for the IRS...

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TOPICS: Breaking News; Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coverup; crime; emailbackup; emails; enron; irs; irsscandal; it; liers; loislerner; lostemails; obaamcrimes; obama; obamascandals; sarbox; scandals; smidgen; sonasoft; teaparty; transparency
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1 posted on 06/21/2014 2:21:04 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Jim Robinson

Everybody who knows how RAID arrays work on network drives knows they’re lying.

Why did they wait more than a year? To find all backups and destroy them or delete where possible.

There must be quite some names on those cc:’d on these emails. Who was it that said a fish rots from the head down?

Add this to LL not saying anything and it looks like something out of a movie.


2 posted on 06/21/2014 2:29:14 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: onyx; JustAmy; trisham; DJ MacWoW; RedMDer; musicman; Lady Jag; STARWISE; Alamo-Girl; bd476; ...

Quick, someone subpoena these people before they suffer a big disk crash and or a bad case of corporate amnesia.


3 posted on 06/21/2014 2:33:37 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: F15Eagle
reduces the risk of non-compliance with legal, regulatory and other obligations to preserve critical business content...

I'd envision IRS negotiations with Sonasoft to include two main requirements: One, ability to preserve critical business content... and, Two, ability to umm.... er... "cleanse" critical business content.

4 posted on 06/21/2014 2:34:35 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Jim Robinson

Nice! I’m looking forward to the day when the likes of Lois Lerner, John Koskinen and all involved are jailed for their crimes.


5 posted on 06/21/2014 2:36:08 AM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Jim Robinson

Nothing will come of this because there is no opposition party anymore....


6 posted on 06/21/2014 2:40:02 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m not much of computer tech, but I have been under the impression that with back up service company, anything I delete from my computer will also be deleted in my backup...am I wrong about that?


7 posted on 06/21/2014 2:42:59 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: PoloSec

Ah but wait these emails were not deleted, they were lost in a supposed crash.

That’s the reason for back up...my bad


8 posted on 06/21/2014 2:45:31 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: PoloSec

No, the whole purpose of having an independent 3rd party provider is to have a daily archiving and preservation of emails which stay in place no matter what is done later.

So if this is accurate, then unless this firm colludes with the IRS, then they’ll be able to get those emails.


9 posted on 06/21/2014 2:51:04 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: F15Eagle
Add this to LL not saying anything and it looks like something out of a movie.

Yes, like a cheap grade b horror movie. Mars Attacks and the Attack of the Killer Tomatoes come to mind.

10 posted on 06/21/2014 2:53:50 AM PDT by Mark17 (Rudyard Kipling: Liberals be wary, when the SHTF, The Wrath of the Awakened Saxon will clobber you)
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To: South40

” I’m looking forward to the day when the likes of Lois Lerner, John Koskinen and all involved are jailed for their crimes.”

More likely they’ll all get nice university jobs with no specific duties and offices they never visit. Liberals protect their own. (If they are convicted they’ll be pardoned in the last half hour of Obama’s presidency. Probably with every black criminal in the system.)


11 posted on 06/21/2014 2:54:19 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: zencycler

Even IF the contract exists and was in place, they WILL NOT be able to get access to them.

It’s the way it works.

Sorry.


12 posted on 06/21/2014 2:54:43 AM PDT by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: Jim Robinson

If the IRS or the associated company were some private corp Schmucks accused of even mid level crime wrong doing government agencies including the FBI would have raided them with a SWAT Team. They then would have escorted all persons from the business and taken all computers and records as evidence. The Oops or our computer crashed nonsense would have soon turned into well, well, we have recovered all of your data via forensics as evidence.


13 posted on 06/21/2014 2:56:09 AM PDT by cva66snipe ((Two Choices left for U.S. One Nation Under GOD or One Nation Under Judgment? Which one say ye?))
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To: Jim Robinson
Save and send every word to each and everyone you know.
Including the dimwits in DC.
14 posted on 06/21/2014 2:57:30 AM PDT by RedMDer (May we always be happy and may our enemies always know it. - Sarah Palin, 10-18-2010)
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To: Gen.Blather

Unfortunately you may be right. We can always hope, but in all likelihood they’ll escape prosecution and for some at least, end up hosting their own shows on MSNBC.


15 posted on 06/21/2014 2:59:57 AM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: Jim Robinson
contrived and coordinated with years of planning ... then (probably) both sides will bring in paid experts to testify against each other in front of Congress; each expert giving conflicting testimony and the lame-stream will continue to play dumb. Thereby contrived and coordinated and the average person, like me, will say what the heck, how do we stop obama?

Looks like the obama crowds' new motto is ... 'Yes, We Did' ... and maybe Rush is absolutely correct ... obama is beating every American to a pulp and laughing and saying ... 'I dare ya to try and stop me America!' Congress is useless. Taking to the streets is probably useless. Shooting first is useless. Not many options available (imho) but am unwilling to surrender so will continue to try.

16 posted on 06/21/2014 3:01:07 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: F15Eagle

“Why did they wait more than a year? To find all backups and destroy them or delete where possible.”

If they did destroy them, and I don’t doubt that they did, a lot of people would have had to know about it. Start bearing down on them.


17 posted on 06/21/2014 3:07:19 AM PDT by TalBlack (Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: Jim Robinson

Anyone who does IT and is a bit older (ahem!) remembers how the old drives would have catastrophic head crashes, but even then there would be at least a few sectors retrievable. Those problems had pretty much disappeared by 2000, so unless Lerner took her hard drive on her off roading and bungee jumping trips, the idea that nothing was recoverable is a laugh.
That’s before we even get to the question of server backups, which must still be scattered throughout the system. Email isn’t that data intensive (unless you are downloading porn videos). Then you have six more crashes?


18 posted on 06/21/2014 3:10:03 AM PDT by DaxtonBrown (http://www.futurnamics.com/reid.php)
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To: South40

“for some at least, end up hosting their own shows on MSNBC.”

I looked up Chelsea’s speeches. She was paid $26,000/hour to talk on TV. I was astonished at how unpolished and amateur she was. It was painful to listen to. (Of course, what she said turned my stomach too, so that might be part of my reaction.)

It reminds me (from just one aspect) of an interview with Sigourney Weaver. Now, Weaver really does have talent and looks. The interviewer asked if the fact that her father was the president of CBS had anything to do with her getting her first big break in the movies. She snapped, “Absolutely not. It was pure talent, looks and hard work that won me that.” I’m sure she believes that. It always strikes me when somebody like Chelsea, who has nothing going for her beyond genetics gets the break of a lifetime.


19 posted on 06/21/2014 3:11:43 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: Gen.Blather

Payola is payola. Just like books of her parents, the money has nothing to do with the product and everything to do with media conglomerate payoff routes.


20 posted on 06/21/2014 3:14:58 AM PDT by Chickensoup (Leftist totalitarian fascism is on the move.)
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To: Gen.Blather

MSNBC will accept anyone as long as they are left of Stalin and promote the leftist agenda.


21 posted on 06/21/2014 3:20:25 AM PDT by South40 (Liberalism is a Disease)
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To: djf

Under subpoena, I think they’d have to provide it.


22 posted on 06/21/2014 3:20:50 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: zencycler

They simply won’t have it.

It will be lost - overwritten, whatever.


23 posted on 06/21/2014 3:28:42 AM PDT by djf (OK. Well, now, lemme try to make this clear: If you LIKE your lasagna, you can KEEP your lasagna!)
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To: freebilly; JennysCool
Nothing will come of this because there is no opposition party anymore....

How about this? How about we stop the “nothing’s gonna happen” meme that dominates this board? I am sure it makes some feel smart and smug. But, that steady stream of demoralizing comments, thread after thread, day after day, is actually aiding and abetting. Someone correct me and defend the strategy of constantly declaring defeat in the midst of the battle.

24 posted on 06/21/2014 3:28:51 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: Jim Robinson

When Nixon had 18 minutes of tape erased,the media drummed him out of office. If the media is not one-sided, they will do the same thing with Obama. Otherwise, they are in the democrat’s pocket.


25 posted on 06/21/2014 3:31:21 AM PDT by maxwellsmart_agent
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To: Jim Robinson

Or crash in Iran or have a stroke.


26 posted on 06/21/2014 3:38:49 AM PDT by Cowgirl of Justice
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To: Jim Robinson

Dave Camp sent an inquiry to Lerner asking about tax exempts on 3 June 2011, her computer was killed by her on 13 June 2011. When she got the letter she knew the jig was up and took a few days to find a way to wipe out the hard drive.The other 6 also crashed the time line here will be very interesting but for sure Lois destroyed evidence.


27 posted on 06/21/2014 3:39:06 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453
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To: Gen.Blather

http://www.businessinsider.com/it-looks-like-chelsea-clinton-made-26724-for-each-minute-she-appeared-on-nbc-2014-6
She made $26,724 per minute not per hour. Let’s not sell this talented news presenter short.


28 posted on 06/21/2014 3:45:23 AM PDT by freefdny
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To: Jim Robinson

We have one useless congress.


29 posted on 06/21/2014 3:50:49 AM PDT by jacknhoo (Luke 12:51. Think ye, that I am come to give peace on earth? I tell you, no; but separation.)
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To: Jim Robinson

I’m beginning to believe everyone’s in on this except us.


30 posted on 06/21/2014 3:58:52 AM PDT by Peter W. Kessler
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To: djf

Right, so I covered that in my comment when I said unless they collude with the IRS ...


31 posted on 06/21/2014 4:00:39 AM PDT by zencycler
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To: Jim Robinson

Send the Congressional Police (heavily armed) to raid the IRS offices and Sonasoft right away.

Make sure they shoot a few dogs as well.


32 posted on 06/21/2014 4:04:54 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Jim Robinson; All

Thanks, jim.

Awards for Recipient or Vendor Type Prime Recipients only, Calendar Year and Quarter All, Major Awarding Agency Department of the Treasury, Cumulative or Quarterly Dataset Cumulative, Level of Detail Summary
(cumulative dataset, all quarters)

http://www.fedspending.org/rcv/rcv.php?database=rcv&reptype=r&detail=-1&datype=T&recipient_rl=p&sortby=f&dataset=c&awarding_agency_cat=20&sum_expand=DZYF


33 posted on 06/21/2014 4:08:12 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: no-to-illegals

Where did you get the idea that shooting first is useless?

There have been no shots fired.


34 posted on 06/21/2014 4:14:07 AM PDT by Gadsden1st
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To: Jim Robinson

Nixon lost 18.5 minutes of tape and Republicans forced him to resign.

Obama loses over 6 months of emails from those under investigation and the liberals assist with the stonewalling.

Remember that this November when you go to vote.


35 posted on 06/21/2014 4:15:33 AM PDT by Erik Latranyi
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To: Gadsden1st

Remembering history off the coast of S.C.


36 posted on 06/21/2014 4:18:02 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: don-o

Excellent point don-o (imho)


37 posted on 06/21/2014 4:19:48 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Jim Robinson

Normally tapes are written over every six months- year, but first they are sent offsite for copy to virtual library. The idea that they simply write over takes every 6 months without first archiving is hard to believe, especially given id the IRS, not joes landscaping. After vendor archives data onto their redundant system. They are sent back to company and go back into production and are recycled every six months or so. This allows admins do restore user data on site if within six months. If beyond six months they procure from offsite location if approved (depending on critical nature of data). If they subpoena the vendor there is no way to completely delete the evidence, including logs, tracking, forsenics of drive and storage systems traffic, purchase orders, employee names, etc.


38 posted on 06/21/2014 4:23:08 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: djf

>>Even IF the contract exists and was in place, they WILL NOT be able to get access to them.<<

So, the NSA has access to every aspect of our lives, but we can’t access the e-mails that are critical to exacting justice. To resurrect a Bush era demand: “Frog-march them out of the White House.”

Welcome to Acirema, where the criminals are rewarded and the innocent are punished.


39 posted on 06/21/2014 4:24:55 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners. And to the NSA trolls, FU)
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To: Gadsden1st
I will say you do have a point ... Remembering N.C. history prior to the shot heard round the world ... N.C. tried to find a solution in the courts with then governor tryon but failed and starting shooting near Salisbury ... so there is a case for both though the most recent is Fort Sumter off the S.C. coast.
40 posted on 06/21/2014 4:28:14 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: PGalt

Help me out here. Is there something in that data that I am missing?


41 posted on 06/21/2014 4:29:25 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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To: don-o

The people who say “nothing is going to happen” are just telling you that they are not going to do anything themselves.


42 posted on 06/21/2014 4:30:04 AM PDT by coon2000 (Give me Liberty or give me death!)
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To: PoloSec

Government backups live forever. Getting things back can be troublesome but email archives are the easiest to get back.


43 posted on 06/21/2014 4:30:55 AM PDT by AppyPappy
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To: Jim Robinson

Order the NSA to give up what they have since they record everything.


44 posted on 06/21/2014 4:32:38 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (Pubbies = national collectivists; Dems = international collectivists; We need a second party!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I wonder how many people have died to keep those emails hidden.


45 posted on 06/21/2014 4:33:11 AM PDT by BykrBayb (Wagglebee, welcome home we missed you! ~ Þ)
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To: Jim Robinson

In our company they tell us emails are forever. I compare this to the discovery of the secret tape machine in Nixon’s White House basement.


46 posted on 06/21/2014 4:34:02 AM PDT by McGruff (What if we bombed our own citizens?)
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To: McGruff

I find your tagline to be most interesting because Nixon said he could give the word, in his day, and 80% of the U.S. population would be killed. One has to believe the methods have been improved upon since Nixon’s time for killing the U.S. population.


47 posted on 06/21/2014 4:37:16 AM PDT by no-to-illegals (Scrutinize our government and Secure the Blessing of Freedom and Justice)
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To: Jim Robinson

The Congress needs to kick it up a notch. They need to pursue this destruction of evidence. I can barely contain myself when I think of it. They dilly dallied for a year or more, while proof of wrongdoing was apparently destroyed. This must be fought, no matter the consequences.


48 posted on 06/21/2014 4:37:31 AM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: BykrBayb

As many as was necessary.


49 posted on 06/21/2014 4:38:34 AM PDT by sport
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To: AppyPappy
Getting things back can be troublesome but email archives are the easiest to get back.

I had said before yesterday's hearing that they needed the head of IT sitting next to Koskinen. I did not watch every minutes, but I have not seen that they really drilled down on SOP of data retention. There were several opening for precise followup of his answers, but most of the committee seemed determined to follow his own script.

Frustrating.

50 posted on 06/21/2014 4:40:12 AM PDT by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever!)
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