Skip to comments.The IRS Had a Contract With an Email Backup Company
Posted on 06/21/2014 2:21:02 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
The Internal Revenue Service (IRS) said it can't provide emails sent between 2009 and 2011 that were requested by congressional investigators because of hard drive crashes.
The agency said that emails stored on dead drives were lost forever because its email backup tapes were recycled every six months, and employees were responsible for keeping their own long-term archives.
The IRS had a contract with email backup service vendor Sonasoft starting in 2005, according to FedSpending.org, which lists the contract as being for "automatic data processing services." Sonasoft's motto is "email archiving done right," and the company lists the IRS as a customer.
In 2009, Sonasoft even sent out a Tweet advertising its work for the IRS...
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Everybody who knows how RAID arrays work on network drives knows they’re lying.
Why did they wait more than a year? To find all backups and destroy them or delete where possible.
There must be quite some names on those cc:’d on these emails. Who was it that said a fish rots from the head down?
Add this to LL not saying anything and it looks like something out of a movie.
Quick, someone subpoena these people before they suffer a big disk crash and or a bad case of corporate amnesia.
I'd envision IRS negotiations with Sonasoft to include two main requirements: One, ability to preserve critical business content... and, Two, ability to umm.... er... "cleanse" critical business content.
Nice! I’m looking forward to the day when the likes of Lois Lerner, John Koskinen and all involved are jailed for their crimes.
Nothing will come of this because there is no opposition party anymore....
I’m not much of computer tech, but I have been under the impression that with back up service company, anything I delete from my computer will also be deleted in my backup...am I wrong about that?
Ah but wait these emails were not deleted, they were lost in a supposed crash.
That’s the reason for back up...my bad
No, the whole purpose of having an independent 3rd party provider is to have a daily archiving and preservation of emails which stay in place no matter what is done later.
So if this is accurate, then unless this firm colludes with the IRS, then they’ll be able to get those emails.
Yes, like a cheap grade b horror movie. Mars Attacks and the Attack of the Killer Tomatoes come to mind.
” Im looking forward to the day when the likes of Lois Lerner, John Koskinen and all involved are jailed for their crimes.”
More likely they’ll all get nice university jobs with no specific duties and offices they never visit. Liberals protect their own. (If they are convicted they’ll be pardoned in the last half hour of Obama’s presidency. Probably with every black criminal in the system.)
Even IF the contract exists and was in place, they WILL NOT be able to get access to them.
It’s the way it works.
If the IRS or the associated company were some private corp Schmucks accused of even mid level crime wrong doing government agencies including the FBI would have raided them with a SWAT Team. They then would have escorted all persons from the business and taken all computers and records as evidence. The Oops or our computer crashed nonsense would have soon turned into well, well, we have recovered all of your data via forensics as evidence.
Unfortunately you may be right. We can always hope, but in all likelihood they’ll escape prosecution and for some at least, end up hosting their own shows on MSNBC.
Looks like the obama crowds' new motto is ... 'Yes, We Did' ... and maybe Rush is absolutely correct ... obama is beating every American to a pulp and laughing and saying ... 'I dare ya to try and stop me America!' Congress is useless. Taking to the streets is probably useless. Shooting first is useless. Not many options available (imho) but am unwilling to surrender so will continue to try.
“Why did they wait more than a year? To find all backups and destroy them or delete where possible.”
If they did destroy them, and I don’t doubt that they did, a lot of people would have had to know about it. Start bearing down on them.
Anyone who does IT and is a bit older (ahem!) remembers how the old drives would have catastrophic head crashes, but even then there would be at least a few sectors retrievable. Those problems had pretty much disappeared by 2000, so unless Lerner took her hard drive on her off roading and bungee jumping trips, the idea that nothing was recoverable is a laugh.
That’s before we even get to the question of server backups, which must still be scattered throughout the system. Email isn’t that data intensive (unless you are downloading porn videos). Then you have six more crashes?
“for some at least, end up hosting their own shows on MSNBC.”
I looked up Chelsea’s speeches. She was paid $26,000/hour to talk on TV. I was astonished at how unpolished and amateur she was. It was painful to listen to. (Of course, what she said turned my stomach too, so that might be part of my reaction.)
It reminds me (from just one aspect) of an interview with Sigourney Weaver. Now, Weaver really does have talent and looks. The interviewer asked if the fact that her father was the president of CBS had anything to do with her getting her first big break in the movies. She snapped, “Absolutely not. It was pure talent, looks and hard work that won me that.” I’m sure she believes that. It always strikes me when somebody like Chelsea, who has nothing going for her beyond genetics gets the break of a lifetime.
Payola is payola. Just like books of her parents, the money has nothing to do with the product and everything to do with media conglomerate payoff routes.
MSNBC will accept anyone as long as they are left of Stalin and promote the leftist agenda.
Under subpoena, I think they’d have to provide it.
They simply won’t have it.
It will be lost - overwritten, whatever.
How about this? How about we stop the nothings gonna happen meme that dominates this board? I am sure it makes some feel smart and smug. But, that steady stream of demoralizing comments, thread after thread, day after day, is actually aiding and abetting. Someone correct me and defend the strategy of constantly declaring defeat in the midst of the battle.
When Nixon had 18 minutes of tape erased,the media drummed him out of office. If the media is not one-sided, they will do the same thing with Obama. Otherwise, they are in the democrat’s pocket.
Or crash in Iran or have a stroke.
Dave Camp sent an inquiry to Lerner asking about tax exempts on 3 June 2011, her computer was killed by her on 13 June 2011. When she got the letter she knew the jig was up and took a few days to find a way to wipe out the hard drive.The other 6 also crashed the time line here will be very interesting but for sure Lois destroyed evidence.
She made $26,724 per minute not per hour. Let’s not sell this talented news presenter short.
We have one useless congress.
I’m beginning to believe everyone’s in on this except us.
Right, so I covered that in my comment when I said unless they collude with the IRS ...
Send the Congressional Police (heavily armed) to raid the IRS offices and Sonasoft right away.
Make sure they shoot a few dogs as well.
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Where did you get the idea that shooting first is useless?
There have been no shots fired.
Nixon lost 18.5 minutes of tape and Republicans forced him to resign.
Obama loses over 6 months of emails from those under investigation and the liberals assist with the stonewalling.
Remember that this November when you go to vote.
Remembering history off the coast of S.C.
Excellent point don-o (imho)
Normally tapes are written over every six months- year, but first they are sent offsite for copy to virtual library. The idea that they simply write over takes every 6 months without first archiving is hard to believe, especially given id the IRS, not joes landscaping. After vendor archives data onto their redundant system. They are sent back to company and go back into production and are recycled every six months or so. This allows admins do restore user data on site if within six months. If beyond six months they procure from offsite location if approved (depending on critical nature of data). If they subpoena the vendor there is no way to completely delete the evidence, including logs, tracking, forsenics of drive and storage systems traffic, purchase orders, employee names, etc.
>>Even IF the contract exists and was in place, they WILL NOT be able to get access to them.<<
So, the NSA has access to every aspect of our lives, but we can’t access the e-mails that are critical to exacting justice. To resurrect a Bush era demand: “Frog-march them out of the White House.”
Welcome to Acirema, where the criminals are rewarded and the innocent are punished.
Help me out here. Is there something in that data that I am missing?
The people who say “nothing is going to happen” are just telling you that they are not going to do anything themselves.
Government backups live forever. Getting things back can be troublesome but email archives are the easiest to get back.
Order the NSA to give up what they have since they record everything.
I wonder how many people have died to keep those emails hidden.
In our company they tell us emails are forever. I compare this to the discovery of the secret tape machine in Nixon’s White House basement.
I find your tagline to be most interesting because Nixon said he could give the word, in his day, and 80% of the U.S. population would be killed. One has to believe the methods have been improved upon since Nixon’s time for killing the U.S. population.
The Congress needs to kick it up a notch. They need to pursue this destruction of evidence. I can barely contain myself when I think of it. They dilly dallied for a year or more, while proof of wrongdoing was apparently destroyed. This must be fought, no matter the consequences.
As many as was necessary.
I had said before yesterday's hearing that they needed the head of IT sitting next to Koskinen. I did not watch every minutes, but I have not seen that they really drilled down on SOP of data retention. There were several opening for precise followup of his answers, but most of the committee seemed determined to follow his own script.