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Transcript of Lois Lernerís Remarks at Tax Meeting Sparking IRS Controversy [FLASHBACK]
Election Law ^ | May 11, 2013 | by Rick Hasen

Posted on 06/21/2014 6:16:09 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer

In response to a question about the IRS’s handling of Tea Party exemption applications, asked at the May 10 meeting of the Exempt Organizations Committee of the Tax Section of the American Bar Association, Lois Lerner, Director of the IRS’s Exempt Organizations office, made the following response: 


“We get about 60,000 applications for tax exemption every year, most of them are 501(c)(3) organizations. But between 2010 and 2012 we started seeing a very big uptick in the number of 501(c)(4) applications we were receiving and many of these organizations applying more than doubled, about 1500 in 2010 and over 3400 in 2012. So we saw a big increase in these kind of applications, many of which indicated that they were going to be involved in advocacy work.


So our line people in Cincinnati who handled the applications did what we call centralization of these cases. They centralized work on these in one particular group. They do that for efficiency and consistency  — something we do whenever we see an uptick in a new kind of application or something we haven’t seen before. Folks might remember from back a few years ago we had credit counseling organizations and we centralized those cases. We had mortgage foreclosure cases and we centralized those cases. We do it for consistency  So they went ahead and did that. How they do centralization is they have a list in their office that they give out to folks who are screening cases that says if it is one of these kind of cases and it can’t be screened it needs to go to group X. So centralization was perfectly fine.


However, in these cases, the way they did the centralization was not so fine. Instead of referring to the cases as advocacy cases, they actually used case names on this list. They used names like Tea Party or Patriots and they selected cases simply because the applications had those names in the title. That was wrong, that was absolutely incorrect, insensitive, and inappropriate — that’s not how we go about selecting cases for further review. We don’t select for review because they have a particular name.


The other thing that happened was they also, in some cases, cases sat around for a while. They also sent some letters out that were far too broad, asking questions of these organizations that weren’t really necessary for the type of application. In some cases you probably read that they asked for contributor names. That’s not appropriate, not usual, there are some very limited times when we might need that but in most of these cases where they were asked they didn’t do it correctly and they didn’t do it with a higher level of review. As I said, some of them sat around for too long.


What have we done to take care of this? Oh, let me back up. They didn’t do this because of any political bias. They did it because they were working together. This was a streamlined way for them to refer to the cases. They didn’t have the appropriate level of sensitivity about how this might appear to others and it was just wrong. So when we found out about it we did a couple of things. First, we said that list that goes around for centralizing cases any changes on that list have to be reviewed and approved at the Director of Rulings & Agreements level so line staff can no longer change or add to that list without calling us to look at it.
We also went back and looked at questions that had been sent out to folks because some of them were extensive and where the questions weren’t necessary we gave the organizations flexibility as to which questions they needed to answer and gave them more time to answer them. In some cases we told them to just ignore the letter we already sent and sent a new list of questions. In some cases we said we don’t need those questions answered. We can deal with your application without responses to those questions. We also sorted the cases to try and figure out which cases needed a further look and which cases could be handled through almost a screening process. We might need a litle bit more information.


The problem in the (c)(4) area is that the kind of activity the organizations were doing is okay for (c)(4)s but it can’t be their primary activity. So that weighing and balancing is a little different than when we have a (c)(3) that says you can’t do any political activity. That’s a pretty easy question. So I guess my bottom line here is that we at the IRS should apologize for that, it was not intentional, and as soon as we found out what was going on, we took steps to make it better and I don’t expect that to reoccur.


As long as we are on the topic of potential political activity, it’s a good time to remind all of you as you are looking at filing for 2012 there was a lot of political activity in organizations this past year and so we’ll be looking at the 527(f) tax, as we see the 2012 990s coming in, so make sure that your clients are appropriately computing the 527(f) tax.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aba; abatranscript; election2012; irs; irsteapartyscandal; lernertranscript; loislerner; plantedquestion; teaparty
As we listen to the lies about missing emails, it's important to remember the potentially criminal activity Lois Lerner admitted to when she "apologized" over a year ago.

She admitted the IRS targeted applicants based on their names, specifically stating "Tea Party" and "Patriots". She said this was "wrong, absolutely incorrect, insensitive, and inappropriate". By taking the 5th, we can assume it was also criminal.

She also admitted the applications were delayed and inappropriate questions were asked including the names of their contributors. The only purpose for this is to mute conservatives in the 2012 election. Criminal.

Then she said, "that we at the IRS should apologize for that" but never really apologized.

1 posted on 06/21/2014 6:16:09 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
that’s not how we go about selecting cases for further review

Ah, but it is, isn't it Ms. Lerner?

2 posted on 06/21/2014 6:18:56 AM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

,,,,, all this sounds so useless to me ,,,, we have a criminal rogue justice system who cares nothing of the Constitution they were sworn to uphold and a pansy @$$ speaker of the house who won’t stand up for the American people . We seem to be doomed from the total apathy of the law and acceptance of the status quo .


3 posted on 06/21/2014 6:28:29 AM PDT by Lionheartusa1 (-: 0bamanomics is the equal distribution of misery :-)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

4 posted on 06/21/2014 6:31:29 AM PDT by McBuff
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I’d bet anyone $10 that a private conversation has taken place between Obama and Lerner that if she can stonewall till mid- late 2016, take the fall, she then will get a presidential pardon January 19, 2017


5 posted on 06/21/2014 6:31:40 AM PDT by catfish1957 (Face it!!!! The government in DC is full of treasonous bastards)
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To: McBuff

Ok, that’s kinda creepy.


6 posted on 06/21/2014 6:34:05 AM PDT by TADSLOS (The Event Horizon has come and gone. Buckle up and hang on.)
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To: McBuff

Nazi I’m guessing?


7 posted on 06/21/2014 6:41:38 AM PDT by DAC21
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

The ‘corrective actions’ she asserts regarding applicants is not backed up by experience reported by the applicant organizations...


8 posted on 06/21/2014 7:06:36 AM PDT by logi_cal869
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

I have another question for the commissioner and Lerner. Yesterday lizard head said the IRS didn’t know about the system crash until February 2014, didn’t Lerner know about it? And she never mentioned it in the investigation?


9 posted on 06/21/2014 7:22:41 AM PDT by sharkhawk (Mr Gorbachev, tear down this wall.)
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To: sharkhawk

The 2013 Inspector General’s report doesn’t even mention the word “email”. I did a word search:

http://www.treasury.gov/tigta/auditreports/2013reports/201310053fr.pdf

How can an investigation of IRS targeting be conducted without looking at email communication among key personnel? Answer, the investigation was a sham.


10 posted on 06/21/2014 8:05:31 AM PDT by Oldeconomybuyer (The problem with socialism is that you eventually run out of other people's money.)
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To: Oldeconomybuyer
Hey IRS - those receipts you wanted? The dog ate ‘em.
11 posted on 06/21/2014 8:12:49 AM PDT by GOPJ (Hey IRS - those receipts you wanted? The dog ate 'em.)
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‘IRS contracted with email archiving company in 2005′ Is that a smoking gun I smell? It turns out the IRS contracted with a company that provides email backup services starting in 2005. This first came to light in the Twitter feed of moregenr, who noticed that the IRS appears on the client list of email archiving service provider Sonasoft. Read more at http://iowntheworld.com/blog/?p=240622&cpage=1#PoRuPCAkl3Zk8PcC.99
12 posted on 06/21/2014 8:19:37 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (¬ĎYou can avoid reality, but you can¬ít avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.¬í)
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To: DAC21

Eichmann (?)


13 posted on 06/21/2014 9:42:24 AM PDT by doberville
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“The trouble with Eichmann was precisely that so many were like him, and that the many were neither perverted nor sadistic, that they were, and still are, terribly and terrifyingly normal. From the viewpoint of our legal institutions and of our moral standards of judgment, this normality was much more terrifying than all the atrocities put together.” ― Hannah Arendt
14 posted on 06/21/2014 9:52:12 AM PDT by cornelis
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To: Oldeconomybuyer

bkmk


15 posted on 06/21/2014 4:04:38 PM PDT by AllAmericanGirl44
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To: Hotlanta Mike

But a few weeks after the first letter re investigation, the contract with sonasoft was up and dsepite several years of prior contracts, was not renewed .

Department of Treasury: Internal Revenue Service

$-0.36 on 9/8/2011

Admin PR is auto created to de-obligate Contracting Office: DEPT OF TREAS/INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE Admin PR is auto created to de-obligate Contracting Office: DEPT OF TREAS/INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE

Department of Treasury: Internal Revenue Service

$13,983.16 on 9/15/2010

Sonasoft Software Maintenance Renewal Contracting Office: DEPT OF TREAS/INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE Sonasoft Software Maintenance Renewal Contracting Office: DEPT OF TREAS/INTERNAL REVENUE SERVICE

Im shocked - shocked - gambling at ricks, and corruption at the IRS ??


16 posted on 06/22/2014 4:04:27 PM PDT by SAMPUBLIUS
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