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We Know The Whereabouts of Lost IRS Emails…
The Daily Sheeple ^ | 6-20-2014 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 06/21/2014 8:41:03 AM PDT by Renfield

A Congressional inquiry into the targeting of Tea Party and Conservative organizations by the IRS has revealed that thousands of emails from IRS head Lois Lerner and at least six of her subordinates have been lost to history after the hard drive which stored them was reportedly thrown away. The loss of the emails makes it nearly impossible to track down and verify what actually took place and whether or not the Obama administration was directly involved in the harassment of independent groups that didn’t agree with the President’s political platform.

Without the emails their is no accountability, despite the fact that the President Obama has repeatedly claimed that transparency and the rule of law would be touchstones of his Presidency. “Starting today every agency and department should know that this administration stands on the side not of those who seek to withhold information, but those who seek to make it known,” said President Obama at a press conference on the day he took office in January of 2009.

The President’s past statements run contrary to the events playing out on Capitol Hill today, where the IRS has claimed that the emails have been “lost forever.”

Congressman Darrell Issa pointed out the ridiculousness of the claims saying that such records could only disappear because of deliberate destruction.

“Official records, like the e-mails of a prominent official, don’t just disappear without a trace unless that was the intention.”

It turns out that Senator Darrell Issa is right. Records like these don’t just disappear without a trace.

We know the whereabouts of the lost IRS emails and they could likely be accessed and shown to the American public within 24 hours.

It turns out that there just so happens to be a redundant set of digital records available in a facility capable of holding some septillion pages of information (1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 pages of text) that has been actively aggregating and storing digital data for years.

Access to any of those records can be had with a simple directive from the President of the United States.

The facility where the records are stored, along with the private emails, text messages, google searches and 20 trillion domestic phone calls since 2001 is owned and operated by America’s National Security Agency which, among other things, is responsible for the monitoring of American citizens and storing any and all digital interactions captured on private and public telecommunications lines. The NSA’s most advanced intelligence monitoring facility is located at Camp Williams and is called the “Utah Data Center.”

NSA-utah-data-center

If the emails ever existed, whether they were deliberately wiped or accidentally lost, the National Security Agency undoubtedly has a digital record of them.

Intelligence officials and law enforcement refer to the phenomenon as “digital permanence” and what it means is that there exists a record of every digital interaction taking place over the internet somewhere. So, even if you happen to lose a hard drive or purposefully click that delete button, you’d be in luck. The National Security Agency has a copy of it because they have been effectively collecting all data sent over telecommunications lines in the United States since at least 2001.

The mind-boggling amount of data being collected at this and other facilities seems like something out of a science fiction movie, but according to award-winning mathematician and NSA whistleblower William Binney it is very real – and it’s been happening for quite some time. And just in case you think they’re collecting “meta-data” such the the sender, receiver and subject line of an email exclusively, according to Binney, they are also collecting the content of the communication as well. That means they know what you texted, said on a phone call, or wrote in an email.

Binney explained that the government is taking the position that it can gather and use any informationabout American citizens living on U.S. soil if it comes from:

Any service provider … any third party … any commercial company – like a telecom or internet service provider, libraries, medical companies – holding data about anyone, any U.S. citizen or anyone else.

The government is gathering everything, including content.

Binney explained – as he has many times before – that the government is storing everything, and creating a searchable database … to be used whenever it wants, for any purpose it wants (even just going after someone it doesn’t like).

Given this revelation from someone who understands the inner workings of NSA signals intelligence and how they collect data, it’s clear that despite the IRS losing the emails in question, there exist exact replicas of them at the NSA.

It should only be a matter of time now before President Obama officially requests that the NSA turn over these records so that he can prove to the American public once and for all that neither he or those in his administration had any knowledge or influence over the IRS targeting of political enemies.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government
KEYWORDS: irs; irsteapartyscandal; lerneremails; nsa; obama

1 posted on 06/21/2014 8:41:03 AM PDT by Renfield
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To: Renfield
All the Tyrant's records go to the same place.


2 posted on 06/21/2014 8:43:39 AM PDT by Diogenesis
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To: Renfield

Of course they are there - and probably a dozen or more other places. This “her hard drive crashed” is a bunch of BS.

To even sit and listen to a convoluted explanation about it is an insult to one’s intelligence. Any government employee who spouts such should be imprisoned.


3 posted on 06/21/2014 8:43:41 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Renfield

The NSA has been collecting everyone’s email since around 2006. Get the copies from them.


4 posted on 06/21/2014 8:45:20 AM PDT by WKUHilltopper (And yet...we continue to tolerate this crap...)
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To: Renfield

This is the equivalent to the missing time on the Watergate tape.

However, the response by the media is totally different.

What did they know and when did they know it and all that jazz.

What a dictators puppet the Press has become.

Is really any wonder why our country has become so ignorant?


5 posted on 06/21/2014 8:46:52 AM PDT by R0CK3T
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To: Renfield

Darrell Issa is NOT a Senator.


6 posted on 06/21/2014 8:47:38 AM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (The most dangerous man to any government is the man who is able to think things out for himself.)
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To: Renfield
It should only be a matter of time now before President Obama officially requests that the NSA turn over these records so that he can prove to the American public once and for all that neither he or those in his administration had any knowledge or influence over the IRS targeting of political enemies.

Bwahahahaha!! Good one! Tell another...

7 posted on 06/21/2014 8:48:56 AM PDT by Alas Babylon!
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

“Darrell Issa is NOT a Senator.”

True, and he’s not much of a Representative either. All horn, no driveshaft!


8 posted on 06/21/2014 8:51:23 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Renfield
Simple Question: Are IRS and other federal government employees and officials allowed to dispose of correspondence emails and letters at their will?...

Because if they are, they are the hard drive crash is the relevant you can dispose of any correspondence whenever you see fit.

But if not..if IRS and other federal government agencies are required by law to maintain these records..

Then, to have them lost by the supposed crash of one hard drive, is criminal neglect and incompetence, on a level far worse than the IRS targeting Tea Party and their should be across the board prosecuted and prison time.

9 posted on 06/21/2014 8:59:22 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: Renfield
"It should only be a matter of time now before President Obama officially requests that the NSA turn over these records so that he can prove to the American public once and for all that neither he or those in his administration had any knowledge or influence over the IRS targeting of political enemies."

Wow, talk about magic thinking! The current regimethugs are not about to allow their secrets to be revealed. AQnd yes the NSA has all the minute details, but the NSA is as criminally run as any other department under this lawless regime of little drug-addled bath-house barry bastard boy. If court ordered for courier to Issa you can bet the records would 'accidentally' be lost there, too.

10 posted on 06/21/2014 8:59:44 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: Renfield

That Utah real estate needs to be rendered uninhabitable.


11 posted on 06/21/2014 9:00:48 AM PDT by Yollopoliuhqui
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To: tophat9000

And it is this same criminal arm of the DNC thuggery now slated to control all of America’s healthcare. How ... fascist.


12 posted on 06/21/2014 9:01:48 AM PDT by MHGinTN
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To: tophat9000
In other words..

The loss of critical federal correspondence...

Required by law to be maintained....

From the crash of ONE hard drive...

Is a far bigger and far-reaching scandal of federal government criminal neglect...

Then the original issue of targeting of conservative groups

13 posted on 06/21/2014 9:07:08 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: Renfield

‘IRS contracted with email archiving company in 2005’

Is that a smoking gun I smell? It turns out the IRS contracted with a company that provides email backup services starting in 2005. This first came to light in the Twitter feed of moregenr, who noticed that the IRS appears on the client list of email archiving service provider Sonasoft.

http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/06/irs_contracted_with_email_archiving_company_in_2005.html


14 posted on 06/21/2014 9:14:12 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: All

‘IRS contracted with email archiving company in 2005’

Is that a smoking gun I smell? It turns out the IRS contracted with a company that provides email backup services starting in 2005. This first came to light in the Twitter feed of moregenr, who noticed that the IRS appears on the client list of email archiving service provider Sonasoft.

http://americanthinker.com/blog/2014/06/irs_contracted_with_email_archiving_company_in_2005.html


15 posted on 06/21/2014 9:14:24 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: Renfield

It is critical for some heads to roll...

If not, what is at stake here is the ability of ‘Rats to communicate freely with impunity.

If they get away with this, then all the govt traveler communists know they can be emailing their scheming and conniving... it would be a great boon to their agenda without the fear of being caught by an errant email. They will then ratchet up their efforts, go into overdrive, scandals of the day will become scandals of the hour.


16 posted on 06/21/2014 9:14:58 AM PDT by C210N (When people fear government there is tyranny; when government fears people there is liberty)
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To: Renfield

You know it has to be really bad for the Democrats to get that schmuck to go in front of the cameras and make excuses like a third grader.


17 posted on 06/21/2014 9:14:58 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: R0CK3T

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/3170553/posts?page=11#11


18 posted on 06/21/2014 9:21:59 AM PDT by devolve (-Tell VLADIMER after my ERECTION I have more 90% more FLEXIBILITY - pre-1899 Colt SAA frames needed)
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To: tophat9000

I say this is as an IT professional 30 plus years of experience.

in any private company....

if you had records the federal government required you to maintain by law....

And you lost them by the crash of one hard drive.

You would not only be fired....you would be sued....and prosecuted.

In the professional IT world ..the loss of this data from one hard drive crash would constitute criminal malpractice.

it the equivalent of having an architects building collapse from a fundamental flaw and incompetence...

in IT it is a given that Hard Drives will fail.. its your job as a professional engineer to design systems that have redundancy so data is not lost


19 posted on 06/21/2014 9:22:33 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: Renfield
"Without the emails their is no accountability...

It turns out that Senator Darrell Issa is right.

Pardon me, but I hate this crap.

20 posted on 06/21/2014 9:27:01 AM PDT by Attention Surplus Disorder (At no time was the Obama administration aware of what the Obama administration was doing)
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To: R0CK3T
This is the equivalent to the missing time on the Watergate tape.

No - It is thousands of times worse.

Nixon just fantasized about using the IRS as a policy weapon.

Obama is actually doing it.


21 posted on 06/21/2014 9:37:13 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: tophat9000

I think people are missing a BIG point....

And missing a GIANT opportunity...

we all know they did not lose the email....

but the fools step in it with the excuse...

Because the excuse..if it did happen..is the bigger crime and scandal.

so to prosecute them for what they just admitted ..

That there guilty of criminal neglect and incompetence in their office ....

Far more head should roll if they really did lose the emails from the crash of one hard drive...then for the original issue.


22 posted on 06/21/2014 9:37:56 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: tophat9000

You would think that red-blooded American journalists would be all over this. This is Watergate revisited. Not the crime, but the coverup, remember? You would think, but all you get is a collective yawn.


23 posted on 06/21/2014 9:38:22 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Gaffer
Of course they are there - and probably a dozen or more other places. This “her hard drive crashed” is a bunch of BS. To even sit and listen to a convoluted explanation about it is an insult to one’s intelligence. Any government employee who spouts such should be imprisoned.

Commissioner Koskinen should be indicted for perjury. But that won't happen with Holder around... unless some white guy needs to be thrown under the bus to save Traitorobama's ass.

24 posted on 06/21/2014 9:50:14 AM PDT by Carl Vehse
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To: Iron Munro
R0CK3T ~ This is the equivalent to the missing time on the Watergate tape.

Iron Munro ~ No - It is thousands of times worse.

Nixon's secretary lost 18-1/2 minutes of one single tape on a tape recorder that had a blow diode in the power supply's bridge rectifier.

The IRS has "lost" every one of the hundreds of relevant emails spread across scores of computers on dozens of servers with multiple backups, without losing a single bit of any other data.

25 posted on 06/21/2014 9:53:13 AM PDT by null and void (In this war, the front line is at your front door...)
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To: fhayek

Again missing the point..

Think like a prosecutor

Think like and IT professional

They just confessed to bigger scandal

pivot the investigation...

start prosecuting for the giant IT scandal

Go after all the Contracting IT companies

All the IRS officials responsible for IT

All the sudden, when they’re facing jail time for being criminally incompetent

With millions of dollars on the line

The emails will magically show up.

The hard drive excuse tossed the IRS IT and IT companies who work for the IRS under the bus.

So Issa need to start driving that bus back and forth over the IT people ..just like any smart prosecutor would get someone to turn evidence


26 posted on 06/21/2014 9:55:52 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: tophat9000

In the end, the fall guy will be come IT guy and we’ll never get to the bottom of the IRS klepotcrats ever being prosecuted.


27 posted on 06/21/2014 9:58:21 AM PDT by TurboZamboni (Those who make peaceful revolution impossible will make violent revolution inevitable.-JFK)
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To: Renfield
We Know The Whereabouts of Lost IRS Emails…

We have top men working on it right now…..Top…Men

28 posted on 06/21/2014 10:03:27 AM PDT by Jim Noble (When strong, avoid them. Attack their weaknesses. Emerge to their surprise.)
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To: TurboZamboni

The thing is it would not be one IT guy..this would be a total IRS systemic failer in fundamental IT practices.Top level managements ass is on the line for this kind of crap.

In an organization as big as the IRS you simply do not lose data and if you did everybody gets canned.

And if there’s laws about maintaining that data....people get criminally prosecuted.


29 posted on 06/21/2014 10:55:47 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: tophat9000
Look in IT at this level.. Hard Drive failer is a known given that is factor for.

to not have backup system in place..

It like Boeing building an airliner the forgetting to design in emergency exits and and everybody signed off on it that way including the FAA.

Or it like building the World Trade Center with out emergency exits and staircases.

Or buying combat aircraft and sending them in to harm way with no parachutes.

Or cruise ships without lifeboats.

30 posted on 06/21/2014 11:12:07 AM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: null and void
Nixon's secretary lost 18-1/2 minutes of one single tape on a tape recorder that had a blow diode in the power supply's bridge rectifier.


31 posted on 06/21/2014 11:34:46 AM PDT by Iron Munro (The Obamas' Black skin has morphed into Teflon thanks to the Obama Media)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

From earlier threads and links, my guess is that the most “problematic” e-mails were sent outside the IRS official system on a private account to avoid detention. This violated govt rules, showed criminal intent, and makes me wonder whether the current hooha about IRS backup is a red herring. Reportedly Lerner used msn.com accounts. Issa needs to subpoena Microsoft, which likely has at least some of the “missing” data.


32 posted on 06/21/2014 11:49:46 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: tophat9000

Who will be the prosecutor - Eric Holder? I like your thinking, but many of us have become so jaded that we can’t see it happening. Congress has lacked the balls to spearhead this kind of thing lately. You are right, it IS an opportunity, but I for one am afraid that it will be an opportunity wasted.


33 posted on 06/21/2014 11:51:18 AM PDT by fhayek
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To: Renfield

Guess Issa will have to subpoena the NSA... Maybe they’re sick of the Obama losers, too...


34 posted on 06/21/2014 12:20:18 PM PDT by JustTheTruth
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Darrell Issa is NOT a Senator.

Darrell Issa is a spineless buffoon who happens to be a congress person posing as a committee chairman.

35 posted on 06/21/2014 2:11:32 PM PDT by dearolddad (/i>)
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To: MHGinTN

Your irony detector needs a tuneup.


36 posted on 06/21/2014 2:16:29 PM PDT by AZLiberty (No tag today.)
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To: Chewbarkah

My guess is that an independent prosecutor is going to appointed here shortly. Secondly, Lerner is dead woman walking and she doesn’t even realize yet otherwise she would have already cut a deal with the republicans.


37 posted on 06/21/2014 2:41:26 PM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (‘You can avoid reality, but you can’t avoid the consequences of avoiding reality.’)
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To: tophat9000

Wouldn’t the records of the targeted groups contain notes, memos and e-mails on the course of action the IRS was going to take?


38 posted on 06/21/2014 2:57:13 PM PDT by anoldafvet (If you think the government is capable of taking care of you, just look at the VA.)
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To: Hotlanta Mike

Better late than never for a SP. But can the Senate block the appointment or Obama veto a new SP law?

Perhaps enough vulnerable Dems will go along to kick the can down the road, but many of their members are implicated in this crime spree — I’d expect major resistance.


39 posted on 06/21/2014 3:32:49 PM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: Alas Babylon!
"...It should only be a matter of time now before President Obama officially requests that the NSA turn over these records so that he can prove to the American public once and for all that neither he or those in his administration had any knowledge or influence over the IRS targeting of political enemies.

Bwahahahaha!! Good one! Tell another...

Look...I know...I don't write 'em, I just post 'em.....

40 posted on 06/21/2014 5:14:05 PM PDT by Renfield (Turning apples into venison since 1999!)
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To: AZLiberty

Agreed


41 posted on 06/21/2014 7:18:35 PM PDT by MHGinTN
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