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Viewpoints: Gun violence restraining orders could save lives
The Sacramento Bee ^ | Published: Saturday, Jun. 21, 2014 - 12:00 am | By Nancy Skinner

Posted on 06/21/2014 11:39:45 AM PDT by Mariner

In the six years I’ve served in the Legislature, our nation has endured 31 mass shootings, five of which happened in California. As tragic as mass shootings are, they don’t account for the nearly 3,000 Californians who die every year from gunfire related to street and domestic violence, or suicides.

Following the tragedy at Sandy Hook, I had the opportunity to work with a wide-ranging group of academics, practitioners and advocates in the fields of mental health, public health and gun violence prevention. I was surprised by what I learned. First, I learned of leading public health data that attribute mental illness to only about 4 percent of the violence perpetrated against others. Second, the research shows individuals with mental illness are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators of violence.

Most importantly, I learned that the most important factors indicating that someone may be dangerous to themselves or others are signs of previous acts of violence, domestic violence, drug abuse and alcohol abuse.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: banglist; gungrabber; molonlabe; suicide
From CA Assembly member Nancy Skinner

She believe family and friends should be able to go to a Judge and remove another's 2nd Amendment Rights.

1 posted on 06/21/2014 11:39:45 AM PDT by Mariner
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To: Mariner

WOW! What a concept huh? Is she up for a bloomers award or something? Either nannie bloomers or bloomin’ didiot award.


2 posted on 06/21/2014 11:43:23 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: Mariner
...I had the opportunity to work with a wide-ranging group of academics...

Well, there's problem #1 right there.

3 posted on 06/21/2014 11:44:19 AM PDT by Veggie Todd (The tree of liberty must be refreshed from time to time with the blood of patriots and tyrants. TJ)
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To: Mariner

A piece of paper is a great ballastic sheild. /sarc


4 posted on 06/21/2014 11:44:32 AM PDT by lightman (O Lord, save Thy people and bless Thine inheritance, giving to Thy Church vict'ry o'er Her enemies.)
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To: Mariner

Using her logic, friends and family ought to be able to get a restraining order prohibiting a pregnant family member from killing her child with abortion.


5 posted on 06/21/2014 11:44:45 AM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("Don't compare me to the almighty, compare me to the alternative." -Obama, 09-24-11)
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To: Mariner

If a person has in his/her mind that they are going to harm you,No restraining order in the world is going to stop them .

People have to wise up .


7 posted on 06/21/2014 11:48:08 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Mariner
First, I learned of leading public health data that attribute mental illness to only about 4 percent of the violence perpetrated against others. Second, the research shows individuals with mental illness are far more likely to be victims than perpetrators of violence.

If this is true, why do all of the liberal mass murderers continue to claim insanity? Hmmmm? I don't know where this ditzy loon is getting her "information" but she is definitely clueless. Or it could be drugs.

8 posted on 06/21/2014 11:48:15 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Obama's smidgens are coming home to roost.)
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To: Mariner

This is one of those guilty until proven innocent OOP’s.


9 posted on 06/21/2014 11:49:08 AM PDT by headstamp 2
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To: puppypusher
"No restraining order in the world is going to stop them" .

The proposal is to confiscate their guns.

10 posted on 06/21/2014 11:51:30 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: FlingWingFlyer
"I don't know where this ditzy loon is getting her "information" but she is definitely clueless. Or it could be drugs. "

She represents Berkeley.

11 posted on 06/21/2014 11:52:45 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Same thing applies.It just may make it more difficult to get a hand gun.So the perp will use a knife or ax instead.


12 posted on 06/21/2014 11:57:56 AM PDT by puppypusher ( The World is going to the dogs.)
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To: Mariner

How many people will she deprive of hands and feet, which kill way more people than guns?


13 posted on 06/21/2014 11:58:35 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Mariner

Notice how now it is always “gunfire”, someone doesn’t put a gun to their head and pull the trigger, they die now as the result of “gunfire”.


14 posted on 06/21/2014 12:01:40 PM PDT by ansel12 ((Ted Cruz and Mike Lee-both of whom sit on the Senate Judiciary Comm as Ginsberg's importance fades)
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To: Mariner

I can’t see the Feds jumping on this bandwagon. Nope..../s


15 posted on 06/21/2014 12:02:23 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Mariner

TROs are already abused in divorce cases, I can imagine how they could be abused if you extend it to anyone.


16 posted on 06/21/2014 12:02:34 PM PDT by Yo-Yo (Is the /sarc tag really necessary?)
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To: Mariner
I scanned the typings and did not see any indication whatsoever of ENFORCING laws vis-a-vis gangs and gun violence.

Typical Bee-brain, DemDope, petty little punk scared to take on gangs. Go after law abiding citizens, watch them, find a way to make it a crime for them to own a gun. We have laws regarding mental problems and guns already! (I believe).

17 posted on 06/21/2014 12:07:10 PM PDT by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: jsanders2001
I can’t see the Feds jumping on this bandwagon. Nope..../s

This will pass in CA, then other blue states will follow.

18 posted on 06/21/2014 12:10:43 PM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: Mariner

Oh yeah THAT gal. Such a sterling reputation too:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jsc1tsVsLrE

I bet she wouldn’t support regulating or banning drugs and alcohol which killed more people than guns before Obama was elected (probably still do by far)...


19 posted on 06/21/2014 12:12:12 PM PDT by jsanders2001
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To: Mariner

Another liberal idiot.


20 posted on 06/21/2014 12:16:45 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Mariner
re signs of previous acts of violence, domestic violence, drug abuse and alcohol abuse.

There's the liberals key, right there. With that, they get to define what exactly is "violence, domestic violence, drug abuse and alcohol abuse".

Do you own a gun and have you ever gotten into a fight? Violence.

Do you own a gun and have you ever argued with your wife? Domestic violence.

See a pattern here?

21 posted on 06/21/2014 12:24:35 PM PDT by jeffc (The U.S. media are our enemy)
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To: Mariner

Typical Lying Lib - The FBI’s “Crime in the U.S. 2012” provides the following data in “Table 20, Murder by State, Type of Weapon:”

California – TOTAL murders – 1,879
TOTAL firearms – 1,304
Knives, cutting - 261
Other - 227
Hands, feet etc - 87

BTW - among the firearms used those Bad,Bad Ugly Rifles accounted for 38 while Shotgun Joe’s favorites ‘scored’ 52


22 posted on 06/21/2014 12:26:56 PM PDT by dontBSme
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To: Mariner

Making the rounds:

Today I swung my front door wide open and placed my Remington 30.06 right in the doorway. I left 6 shells beside it, then left it alone and went about my business.

While I was gone, the mailman delivered my mail, the neighbor boy across the street mowed the yard, a girl walked her dog down the street, and quite a few cars stopped at the stop sign near the front of our house.

After about an hour, I checked on the gun. It was still sitting there, right where I had left it. It hadn’t moved itself outside. It certainly hadn’t killed anyone, even with the numerous opportunities it had been presented to do so.

In fact, it hadn’t even loaded itself. Well you can imagine my surprise, with all the media hype about how dangerous guns are and how they kill people.

Either the media is wrong or I’m in possession of the laziest gun in the world.

Well, I’m off to check on my spoons. I hear they’re making
people fat.


23 posted on 06/21/2014 12:40:00 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: jeffc
alcohol abuse".

I once dropped a 6-pack of long-necks and they all broke..... (hangs head in shame).

/johnny

24 posted on 06/21/2014 12:42:10 PM PDT by JRandomFreeper (Gone Galt)
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To: Mariner

“Gun violence”, huh?

A recent FBI report stated that more people died from FISTS over the last few years than guns.

These people are deranged.


25 posted on 06/21/2014 12:46:24 PM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: 1010RD

Good thing your rifle wasn’t stolen right off your doorstep!

Worse, what if a SWAT team sicced on you by your hostile liberal neighbor takes you down on a `domestic terrorism’ charge!!?

Never leave a firearm unattended! Unless you had someone out of view who was guarding it.


26 posted on 06/21/2014 1:09:49 PM PDT by elcid1970 ("In the modern world, Muslims are living fossils.")
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To: lightman

I was thinking the same thing...Did someone invent Kevlar impregnated paper???

Sure would make for some frustrating range sessions...

“I hit it!!!”

“No, you missed, no hole(s)!!!”


27 posted on 06/21/2014 1:10:02 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Will work for a new Kidney...)
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To: dontBSme; All

Hands and feet??? 87 deaths (homicides)???

Hmmmmmm, could this be related to any “knockout game” related attacks???


28 posted on 06/21/2014 1:12:09 PM PDT by stevie_d_64 (Will work for a new Kidney...)
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To: elcid1970

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/satire


29 posted on 06/21/2014 1:15:36 PM PDT by 1010RD (First, Do No Harm)
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To: Mariner

Our gun rights should be like our voting rights: you don’t need an ID, you don’t need to tell anyone where you live or what you do.

You just walk in and get what you want.

After all guns are a right.
Voting is a right.

And which of those activities does more damage to our system?


30 posted on 06/21/2014 1:17:48 PM PDT by Tzimisce
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To: Mariner

I think that you should be issued a gun if you obtain a restraining order against someone.
How about that?


31 posted on 06/21/2014 1:21:26 PM PDT by right way right (America has embraced the suck of Freedumb.)
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To: Mariner

The chick has always been somewhere between slow learner and just plain dumbass. The only thing new in that “research” is that the crowd realized it. And it is, and has been, always possible for a family to tighten up on a nut case’s gun rights, driving rights, out-in-public rights, and sometimes even reproductive rights/abilities. If you don’t believe me visit a State Hospital some time. In my view at least it has always been a family responsibility/obligation to ride herd on their own Loopies. It’s way preferable to leaving them for the rest of us to educate/re-train/discipline or sometimes take out.


32 posted on 06/21/2014 1:38:53 PM PDT by cherokee1 (skip the names---just kick the buttz)
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To: F15Eagle

in other words, if you are a liberal spoiled brat with a BmW you can kill people with, never wrong in the eyes of Johny Taleban retard parents , you do not get the restraining order... no. See, that would be racist, just as the Dartmouth students covered for another spoiled Bmer driver named Tsarnaev.

So check it out, police state denunciation atmosphere is what they want. Your loved ones are your number one enemies.


33 posted on 06/21/2014 1:45:20 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: Mariner

Using the force of the government’s guns to step on the throats of citizens can save lives. Only a liberal lunatic like Skinner can believe the verbal effluvium she regurgitates.


35 posted on 06/21/2014 2:55:55 PM PDT by DPMD
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To: Mariner

Simply the next increment in the never ending campaign to disarm citizens.

These people aren’t stupid. They know exactly what they are doing, and we’re allowing them to succeed.


36 posted on 06/21/2014 3:35:34 PM PDT by Pox (Good Night. I expect more respect tomorrow.)
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To: Mariner
Gun violence restraining orders could save lives

It might save a few. So what? It would undoubtedly COST lives as well. But it doesn't matter. It's not policy that any object or activity by which someone somewhere dies, must immediately be banned. Cars are still here. Pools are still here. Politicians are still here.

37 posted on 06/21/2014 6:03:09 PM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Mariner
Has nothing to do with "safety".

It's nothing more than the ability to essentially convict someone of a "pre-crime". No due process, no jury, no 2A rights, and your guns get confiscated. Oh, yeah, and your reputation gets destroyed in the process. Great way for the statists to go after political enemies.

38 posted on 06/21/2014 6:16:37 PM PDT by SIDENET
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To: Mariner

Just more anti-gun excreta from yet another horse’s bottom.


39 posted on 06/21/2014 10:40:23 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: Mariner

“She believe family and friends should be able to go to a Judge and remove another’s 2nd Amendment Rights.”

What about the potential victims rights to keep breathing and not get terminal lead poisoning?

A gun - be it revolver, semi auto, a much maligned black rifle or assault weapon, even the BFG from Doom - if you can handle them, go for it. They are tools, like anything else. Every person has the innate right (and desire) to self defense and that should not be infringed.

Let me use a much derided analogy for a second. Do you let a blind person, or an epileptic, or a habitual drunk drive? No - you do not. They cannot be trusted to deal with using the tool - in this case a car - well.

So how can you let someone with violent mood swings or a psychological disorder own a gun? That is the Leftist logic, among the rare rational Leftists. It’s appealing in a way - who wants to give the instant capability to kill to someone not of sound mind.

I say grab it and run with it. Turn the negative into a positive by forcing the Dems to put their backsides where their mouths are.

After centuries of real (not pseudo) scientific advancement we have left the solar system. Looked at 3 minutes after creation. Taken a peek at the smallest things possible, and the biggest. Yet how the mind works is still totally baffling. Our best guide to that were written 2500 years ago and just futzed with since.

The government pays for research. I have often said that if NASA had been permitted to take out patents, the USA would never have a deficit. Can you imagine the royalties on Velcro alone?

So make them pay for real research into what makes a man a man. Why one person is self reliant and will stand waist deep in crap with a shovel to feed his family, while the person next door lounges hopelessly, waiting for their hand outs. Or what if we could cure PTSD? Think of how many lives that would affect. At the moment we don’t even know for sure what causes it!

Might be slightly disjointed - been up for a fair while and winding down.


40 posted on 06/21/2014 11:52:05 PM PDT by EC1
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To: NFHale

Maybe we should make murder illegal. That would solve everything, right?


41 posted on 06/22/2014 7:09:53 AM PDT by matt04
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To: Mariner

“gun violence restraining orders could save lives”

Liberal truthspeak (oxy-moronic, I admit): So far restraining orders do not save any lives, (as being armed for self defense does) but this idea could be a new “legal” way to disarm Americans. Let’s toll with it!


42 posted on 06/22/2014 8:01:43 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (There's only one reason for authorities to take the arms of good people.)
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To: Blue Collar Christian

toll = roll

DOH!


43 posted on 06/22/2014 8:02:22 AM PDT by Blue Collar Christian (There's only one reason for authorities to take the arms of good people.)
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To: EC1
"So how can you let someone with violent mood swings or a psychological disorder own a gun?"

What would you propose as both a diagnostic and legal threshold?

That is the crux of the matter.

Already those adjudicated as "mentally defective" cannot buy or own.

44 posted on 06/22/2014 9:43:34 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: matt04

Make ASSAULT Illegal... Poof!!! Assaults vanish overnight!

Make Battery Illegal... Badabing! Gone! Jus’like’dat...!

Make Arson Illegal...

Yeah... I know...


45 posted on 06/22/2014 10:11:25 AM PDT by NFHale (The Second Amendment - By Any Means Necessary.)
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To: Mariner

Already those adjudicated as “mentally defective” cannot buy or own.


That is my concern. I’m not going to bother with the slippery slope or judicial activism arguments - to be blunt you know them better than me anyway. You are closer to the beast and can watch it breathing.

Still, I am minded of JFK. Shook his fist at the sky and said “before the end of this decade, we are going to put a man on the moon.” I were too young to hear that. Were not too young to sit out in the garden in 1969, looking at the moon and knowing people were walking on it. I could hear it on the radio. Still have the tape Dad made of it, though Lord knows where I’ll find a tape player now.

I trust America. Not Obama, or Reid, or Cruz, or Boner. I trust the real Americans. The ones that look at you and say “That’s impossible. Do you need it Wednesday or Thursday?”

If there is a single country who can solve how the mind works, you are lucky enough to live in it.

Is there a risk? Of course there is. There is always a risk. Doesn’t mean it’s not worth a shot, and if conservatives grab it and run with it - well - they are going to get a lot of interest.


46 posted on 06/22/2014 12:14:42 PM PDT by EC1
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