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Did The IRS Lie To Senators?
Black & Right ^ | 06/20/14 | Bob Parks

Posted on 06/21/2014 11:44:00 AM PDT by impetrio1

Only one problem: the Office of Management and Budget issued a memo August 24, 2012 reminding federal employees that President Obama signed a directive on November 18, 2011 that offered specific guidelines as to the handling of records (see memo page 3 below).

(Excerpt) Read more at black-and-right.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bearinwoods; emails; irs; irsscandals; irsteapartyscandal; lerner; lerneremails; lerneremailshearing; obama; obamacorrupt; obamalawless; omb

1 posted on 06/21/2014 11:44:00 AM PDT by impetrio1
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To: impetrio1

Yes. Especially that ratty-looking guy Kosin....whatever. Oh, and LL.

Next question?


2 posted on 06/21/2014 11:47:07 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: impetrio1

The IRS could be run a million times better by a Server Farm with ZERO human input ,it’s just numbers


3 posted on 06/21/2014 11:48:24 AM PDT by molson209 (Blank)
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To: impetrio1
If they did, a LOT of heads at the IRS are going to roll. And both Valerie Jarrett and Eric Holder will be out of their jobs.
4 posted on 06/21/2014 11:48:51 AM PDT by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: impetrio1

That depends on how you define a lie, or what an is is . . .


5 posted on 06/21/2014 11:51:32 AM PDT by Pilgrim's Progress (http://www.baptistbiblebelievers.com/BYTOPICS/tabid/335/Default.aspx)
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To: RayChuang88

LOL! You forgot the ‘/s’ tag. Name ONE person who’s endured REAL punishment over these recent criminal scandals.


6 posted on 06/21/2014 11:51:45 AM PDT by CivilWarBrewing
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To: impetrio1

Does the bear poop in the woods?


7 posted on 06/21/2014 11:52:48 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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To: RayChuang88
If they did, a LOT of heads at the IRS are going to roll.

And who of the Republicans is strong enough to lift that axe? Issa might do some hatchet juggling to entertain the crowd, but not much more.

8 posted on 06/21/2014 11:53:18 AM PDT by KarlInOhio (The IRS: either criminally irresponsible in backup procedures or criminally responsible of coverup.)
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To: RayChuang88
"If they did, a LOT of heads at the IRS are going to roll. And both Valerie Jarrett and Eric Holder will be out of their jobs.'

Doubtful. DC runs on lies. People there expect to be lied to because they themselves spin lies all the time.

Only the truth creates outrage; lies are the coin of the realm.

9 posted on 06/21/2014 11:53:58 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Qui me amat, amat et canem meum.)
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To: impetrio1

Abso freakin lutely !!!


10 posted on 06/21/2014 11:56:20 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: impetrio1

Duh.............


11 posted on 06/21/2014 11:57:52 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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To: impetrio1

they have to comply by 2016. This is not a good thing for us but quite the opposite. Right there in the article.


12 posted on 06/21/2014 11:58:05 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: impetrio1

Yes. Yes they did.


13 posted on 06/21/2014 12:01:29 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: impetrio1

Yes.


14 posted on 06/21/2014 12:03:23 PM PDT by Slings and Arrows (You can't have Ingsoc without an Emmanuel Goldstein.)
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To: RayChuang88

Ha. Ha. Ha...
I would bet very large sums of money...not a single head will roll...

Not while obama and holder are in office....

Hell, they will probably get bonuses for lying....


15 posted on 06/21/2014 12:05:14 PM PDT by Popman ("Resistance to Tyrants is Obedience to God" - Thomas Jefferson)
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The only thing the investigating committee has interest in is self-serving sensationalism and face time in the Media.


16 posted on 06/21/2014 12:10:06 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Don't be a statist!)
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To: impetrio1

Weren’t you listening? E-mails are not “records”.


17 posted on 06/21/2014 12:10:48 PM PDT by Chaguito
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To: Popman
Susan Rice got promoted for her Benghazi lies. She got a new job with more pay and she's OK (song).


18 posted on 06/21/2014 12:12:44 PM PDT by F15Eagle (1Jn4:15;5:4-5,11-13;Mt27:50-54;Mk15:33-34;Jn3:17-18,6:69,11:25,14:6,20:31;Ro10:8-11;1Tm2:5-6;Ti3:4-7)
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To: impetrio1
From the article..."As of November of 2011, it was no longer the policy to only keep records (including emails) for only six months. They were to be kept 'for as long as they are needed.'"

Well that clears the mystery up. Lerner et al certainly didn't need the emails to brought up in their trial, so they had the records destroyed.

19 posted on 06/21/2014 12:13:41 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: impetrio1

Absolutely.


20 posted on 06/21/2014 12:14:59 PM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: impetrio1
A Question for any of our Freeper Experts:

I believe the appointment of a Special Prosecutor to investigate the IRS Scandal would require the approval of Eric Holder/Obama.

The typical response of Congress Critters and Commentators is that we need a Special Prosecutor to get to the bottom of this mess.

I believe that there is something less than “no chance at all” that Eric Holder will allow a Special Prosecutor to be named. It's not going to happen.

Assuming the above is true, MY QUESTION IS:

Is it possible legally for Congress (a House Committee, for example) to go straight to the courts to request the release of documents - the Lois Lerner Emails for example?

21 posted on 06/21/2014 12:15:15 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: InterceptPoint

I think ACLJ is representing one of the harmed parties in a lawsuit. They will ask the judge to order the documents produced.

But I could be wrong.


22 posted on 06/21/2014 12:23:48 PM PDT by savedbygrace (But God!)
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To: Pilgrim's Progress

LIES are the mother’s milk of politics. Lies in Washington are at least as important as political contributions and in many cases serve the same purpose.


23 posted on 06/21/2014 12:24:10 PM PDT by Don Corleone ("Oil the gun..eat the cannoli. Take it to the Mattress.")
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To: F15Eagle

“Yes. Especially that ratty-looking guy Kosin....whatever. Oh, and LL.”

And let’s not forget Steven Miller and Douglas Schulman. They are just other parts of the same turd. You knew they were lying (and enjoying it) every time their mouths moved. I particularly liked it yesterday when Koskinen got all huffy about being called a liar, which or course he was, but again, that’s his principal job at the IRS.


24 posted on 06/21/2014 12:34:11 PM PDT by vette6387
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To: RayChuang88
If they did, a LOT of heads at the IRS are going to roll. And both Valerie Jarrett and Eric Holder will be out of their jobs.

With this crowd, the MSM, and the idiots that still support them, I hope you do not have your hopes set too high.

25 posted on 06/21/2014 12:35:51 PM PDT by doorgunner69
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To: savedbygrace
I think ACLJ is representing one of the harmed parties in a lawsuit. They will ask the judge to order the documents produced.

Yes. I believe that is true. We may get some documents by that path since judges have the power to throw people in jail who don't comply.

Congress really doesn't have that power. There is no apparent punishment for perjury. The Capital Jail is a joke. There is really no remedy for what is going on right now unless Congress can utilize the courts to force the disclosure of the documents they seek.

But I'm not sure they are allowed to make requests to courts of this sort. If they can, they should.

26 posted on 06/21/2014 12:36:16 PM PDT by InterceptPoint
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To: impetrio1

The IRS did not lie. Individuals did lie.


27 posted on 06/21/2014 12:37:51 PM PDT by all the best
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To: InterceptPoint
Is it possible legally for Congress (a House Committee, for example) to go straight to the courts to request the release of documents - the Lois Lerner Emails for example?

Congress has the inherent power to arrest and imprison for Contempt of Congress. They don't need to crawl to Holder or the Federal courts.

The House of Reps could have the House Sergeant at Arms arrest Lerner and the IRS thugs that have 'lost' the emails RIGHT NOW and hold them indefinitely until they testify completely and truthfully to the oversight committee. If they lie they can be imprisoned. There used to be a jail right in the Capital Building for that purpose.

But don't hold your breath waiting for that to ever happen. The GOP Establishment and the Obama Regime both play for the same team.

28 posted on 06/21/2014 12:41:23 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: InterceptPoint
Congress really doesn't have that power.

Oh yeah?

From Wikipedia: Contempt of Congress

Inherent contempt

Under this process, the procedure for holding a person in contempt involves only the chamber concerned. Following a contempt citation, the person cited is arrested by the Sergeant-at-Arms for the House or Senate, brought to the floor of the chamber, held to answer charges by the presiding officer, and then subjected to punishment as the chamber may dictate (usually imprisonment for punishment reasons, imprisonment for coercive effect, or release from the contempt citation).

Concerned with the time-consuming nature of a contempt proceeding and the inability to extend punishment further than the session of the Congress concerned (under Supreme Court rulings), Congress created a statutory process in 1857. While Congress retains its "inherent contempt" authority and may exercise it at any time, this inherent contempt process was last used by the Senate in 1934, in a Senate investigation of airlines and the U.S. Postmaster. After a one-week trial on the Senate floor (presided over by the Vice-President of the United States, acting as Senate President), William P. MacCracken, Jr., a lawyer and former Assistant Secretary of Commerce for Aeronautics who had allowed clients to rip up subpoenaed documents, was found guilty and sentenced to 10 days imprisonment.[6]

MacCracken filed a petition of habeas corpus in federal courts to overturn his arrest, but after litigation, the U.S. Supreme Court ruled that Congress had acted constitutionally, and denied the petition in the case Jurney v. MacCracken.[7][8]

Presidential pardons appear not to apply to a civil contempt procedure such as the above, since it is not an "offense against the United States" or against "the dignity of public authority."[9]

29 posted on 06/21/2014 12:45:43 PM PDT by Count of Monte Fisto (The foundation of modern society is the denial of reality.)
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To: impetrio1

Just remember what happened to Michael Mahon Hastings when he crossed Obama! He found a tree..and died.


30 posted on 06/21/2014 1:40:16 PM PDT by ncfool (Hilary 2016 Procol Harum or Boko Haram. What difference does it make?)
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To: impetrio1

Lying to congress by 0bama officials has already been legitimized and legalized by precedent. As long as no one important is prosecuted, lying to congress doesn’t count.


31 posted on 06/21/2014 3:05:23 PM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: impetrio1

Of course.

Next dumb question.


32 posted on 06/21/2014 10:38:42 PM PDT by Jack Hammer
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To: RayChuang88
If they did, a LOT of heads at the IRS are going to roll. And both Valerie Jarrett and Eric Holder will be out of their jobs.

I see you're an optimist. If there was half a chance of your hopes coming true, there would already be a lot of severed heads rolling around in D.C. and Holder and Jarrett would be sharing a cell in a Mexican prison.

33 posted on 06/22/2014 2:43:12 AM PDT by trebb (Where in the the hell has my country gone?)
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