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Iraqi Military Out of Hellfires in Battle Against ISIS
ABC News ^ | 7: 24 p.m. EDT Saturday, June 21, 2014 | Martha Raddatz

Posted on 06/21/2014 4:38:05 PM PDT by kristinn

The Iraqi military ran out of Hellfire missiles six days ago, and though the U.S. is rushing more missiles into the country, Iraq has only two modified Cessna aircraft to launch them in their battle against the radical Islamic militia ISIS.

ISIS has captured 28 tanks and shot down three helicopters, a significant percentage of the government force, and the militia killed an entire Iraqi Security Force brigade in the last couple of days at the border with Syria, which ISIS now controls.

The losses have left the Iraqi military with no offensive capability, and no real air force.

With the brigade at the border at Al Qaim wiped out, ISIS now controls the territory from Rubiya to Al Qaim. The tribes in Al Qaim tried to fight them, but ISIS unleashed a major artillery barrage, then a major assault, and they could not hold the back.

Taking Al Qaim opens up the entire Euphrates Valley to the insurgents, and ISIS has a safe haven across the border in Syria, which makes air strikes difficult.

Threat of a massive drive into Baghdad has receded somewhat, but fear remains that the radical militia will try big attacks for propaganda victories, or that its forces might take small neighborhoods and publicize its victories on YouTube in an attempt to scare the Shia into overreacting with the militias.

(Excerpt) Read more at abcnews.go.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iraq; isis

1 posted on 06/21/2014 4:38:05 PM PDT by kristinn
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To: kristinn

Ha! They should ask Mookie.


2 posted on 06/21/2014 4:40:55 PM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: kristinn

Meanwhile, Mookie el-Sadr’s ungrateful Shiites say they’ll attack any US forces they see, even though we’re helping them.

We screwed up by de-stabilizing Iraq. Still, a little devil in me wonders what would happen if somebody vaporized Mecca.


3 posted on 06/21/2014 4:43:15 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: kristinn

Well the Shia government of Iraq did KICK OUT the US Military a few years ago because they thought they had big enough britches to handle things themselves. That’s what they get for their idiocy!


4 posted on 06/21/2014 4:43:19 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Army Air Corps

Ping


5 posted on 06/21/2014 4:43:33 PM PDT by Jet Jaguar (Resist in place.)
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To: kristinn

Ran out because they were sold to AQ/Isis


6 posted on 06/21/2014 4:44:32 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: kristinn

7 posted on 06/21/2014 4:44:49 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: kristinn

Oh that’s okay, they can just fight Glowbull Warming now instead.


8 posted on 06/21/2014 4:45:26 PM PDT by chris37 (heartless)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
wonders what would happen if somebody vaporized Mecca.

Never play all your cards at once. Medina first, as a warning.

9 posted on 06/21/2014 4:45:48 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: kristinn; JohnLott

Didn’t the Iraqi government take away the guns of its citizens a few years ago?


10 posted on 06/21/2014 4:48:32 PM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni WonDoer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

They’re not my cards to play.

Maybe a false-flag operation from Putin—after all, Russia is energy self-sufficient.

Or, if the Caliphate really gets going, an Israeli “Samson Option” operation.

Plausible deniability is everything. It would be a record-setting whodunit; with short-term historical truth determined by propaganda.


11 posted on 06/21/2014 4:48:51 PM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Nuking Mecca would do nothing but enrage the savages. Nuking Medina would strike terror in their hearts.


12 posted on 06/21/2014 4:52:11 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: kristinn

Fk em

They didn’t want around and now we should help them amd protect Chinese interests in Oil production?

GTH and burn


13 posted on 06/21/2014 4:52:41 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
Still, a little devil in me wonders what would happen if somebody vaporized Mecca.

WHY would anyone want to? It's a dirty, dusty, stinky old hole like the rest of the KSA.

If it did happen then Medina would become Islam's holiest of cities.

If someone nuked Medina then they would go to their THIRD holiest city: Jerusalem.
No one will ever nuke Jerusalem because we give the (American trained) Israelis HALF of our foreign aid budget to defend it.

BEST for all that the Muslims keep their dusty, dirty, stinky Mecca hole.

However, if all three HOLY cities were to be nuked then Islam would choose a fourth city: Hoboken, New Jersey.

14 posted on 06/21/2014 4:52:58 PM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Pearls Before Swine

“....devil in me wonders what would happen if somebody vaporized Mecca.”

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Peace at last.


15 posted on 06/21/2014 4:54:07 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: Pearls Before Swine

Knew it was only a matter f time before fat boy would rear his repulsive head. They sure are good at waiting. He should have been torched years ago.


16 posted on 06/21/2014 4:54:53 PM PDT by SueRae (It isn't over. In God We Trust.)
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To: Star Traveler
Well the Shia government of Iraq did KICK OUT the US Military a few years ago

No they didn't. They wanted the US to stay and were taken by surprise when we broke off negotiations. Hillary completely dropped the ball by refusing to budge on the issue of immunity for US soldiers. Anyone familiar with the region could have told her that this issue was a non-starter. Opposition to immunity for US military personnel was the very issue that first brought the Ayatollah Khomeini to national prominence back in the 1970's.

We had to relent a little on the question of immunity for US military personnel in Japan. We could have done it here as well. Even if it was just for serious crimes like rape and murder that probably would have been enough. But blanket unconditional immunity is never going to happen.

If the Shah goes to New York runs over a dog he can be prosecuted for it. Here in Tehran if an American cook runs over the Shah he can not be prosecuted for it.     ...Khomeini

17 posted on 06/21/2014 4:55:44 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: kristinn

They need those new, cheap, guided Hydra 70mm missiles —6 of them per launch unit.

PERFECT weapon for trucks, technicals, bunkers, etc., minimal overkill.

You could put 12 on those Cessnas very easily and affordably.


18 posted on 06/21/2014 5:00:06 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: kristinn

Iraq did not want American Troops left behind. They should suffer the consequences or get rid of Malika!


19 posted on 06/21/2014 5:01:05 PM PDT by El Zoro
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To: kristinn


20 posted on 06/21/2014 5:02:40 PM PDT by gaijin
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To: SeeSharp

I posted back then, many times on the issue and they sure did KICK OUT the US Forces.

Quoting from an article from that time ...

U.S. Kicked Out Of Iraq

Now the truth about Obama’s Friday (October 21, 2011) announcement about the Iraq war ending is beginning to come out. President Barack H. Obama announced that “After nearly nine years, America’s war in Iraq will be over,” that troops would be coming home by year’s end. That is, IMHO, a serious strategic blunder. But Obama did not ask for my opinion, so U.S. troops will be leaving iraq. The primary effect of the announcement is to end any chance of a substantial U.S. troop presence in Iraq after the end of the year. It was an acknowledgment that Iraqis had refused to agree to a key U.S. condition for remaining American troops: immunity from Iraqi law, that any U.S. military forces to stay would have to be shielded from prosecution or lawsuits, that precipitated the announcement.

Nouri al-Maliki said, “When the Americans asked for immunity, the Iraqi side answered that it was not possible, The discussions over the number of trainers and the place of training stopped. Now that the issue of immunity was decided and that no immunity to be given, the withdrawal has started.” While it is true that some U.S. troops commit offenses, the vast majority do not. The hubris of Iraq and its people after the Hussein regime is breathtaking. After 4,478 killed and 33,169 wounded U.S. troops, not to mention the ouster of Hussein and his two sons, Iraq wants to provide its own security. And with Iran next door. Well, GOOD LUCK!

http://www.conservativedailynews.com/2011/10/u-s-kicked-out-of-iraq/

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Apparently you weren’t reading the news about the situation back then.


21 posted on 06/21/2014 5:03:35 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Nuke them both then.


22 posted on 06/21/2014 5:04:22 PM PDT by Lurker (Violence is rarely the answer. But when it is it is the only answer.)
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To: kristinn

Got checkbook?


23 posted on 06/21/2014 5:07:49 PM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: SeeSharp

Maliki rules out extension of U.S. troops’ presence after 2011

BAGHDAD, April 20 (Xinhua) — Iraqi Prime Minister Nuri al-Maliki ruled out signing a new security pact with the United States to extend the presence of U.S. troops in the country, his office said in a statement on Wednesday.

“The Prime Minister rule out possibility for any new security agreement to prolong the presence of U.S. troops in Iraq, because the (current) document of the strategic agreement (SOFA) is clear in this respect,” the statement quoted Maliki as saying in an interview with the local television channel of Biladi to be broadcasted later.

http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2011-04/20/c_13838284.htm


24 posted on 06/21/2014 5:09:20 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
We screwed up by de-stabilizing Iraq. Still, a little devil in me wonders what would happen if somebody vaporized Mecca.

I wonder if it would have been any different if we hadn't destabilized Iraq.

However, I do think that as long as we keep pussyfooting with them, we will continue to get what we have been getting.

We are like some conflicted giant, unwilling to use our might to stop the little people from attacking us for fear that we might hurt somebody and people will call us names.

25 posted on 06/21/2014 5:10:24 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: kristinn

Send the friggin Brown Clown over to Iraq with a horse to lead them into battle.


26 posted on 06/21/2014 5:10:32 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: kristinn

I have this mental picture of the Iraqi “military” shooting expensive Hellfire missiles at non-targets. Why? Because it gives the illusion of action while not putting themselves at risk.

Honestly, at this point, I’m not sure I give a rat’s rear end about the situation over there. A pox on all their houses.


27 posted on 06/21/2014 5:11:16 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: Star Traveler

Evidently it is you who are not doing the reading. The article you posted confirms exactly what I said. Hillary refused to budge on the issue of immunity. We have made exceptions to this before and could have done so this time. It didn’t need to be a deal breaker. It was not the Iraqi’s who ended negotiations. It was the Obama administration.


29 posted on 06/21/2014 5:16:21 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: SeeSharp

Bush HAD that agreement already. Those ISLAMISTS and JIHADISTS over there in that Iraqi Shia government were just itching for their chance to prosecute those US Soldiers, something Bush wouldn’t let them do.

If Obama had let them prosecute our US Soldiers, I would have been all over his case on that issue.


31 posted on 06/21/2014 5:28:43 PM PDT by Star Traveler (Remember to keep the Messiah of Israel in the One-World Government that we look forward to coming)
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To: kristinn
We should stay out of it and let Iraq burn. I think Americans are tired of helping nations and just to get kicked in the ars. Enough is enough.
32 posted on 06/21/2014 5:30:10 PM PDT by Logical me
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To: Jeff Chandler
"Nuking Medina'''"

Not "Funky Cold Medina" anymore....

33 posted on 06/21/2014 5:40:59 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("Gentlemen, you can't fight in here - this is the War Room".)
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To: Star Traveler
The Iraqi government was not one of Islamists and jihadis (but it soon will be). This issue could have been finessed. A compromise that met the Maliki government's domestic public relations needs could have been found. The Iraqi's knew they were going to be at the mercy of Iran if we left and they wanted us to stay. It is doubtful that any US soldier would ever have been prosecuted for anything - especially since we hardly ever let any of them take leave off base. Hillary ignorantly chose to make this an all or nothing proposition however, and that is what killed the deal.

As for the Bush administration, they punted the issue to their successors. Understandable since giving ground on the immunity issue would have had a political price. Wanna blame it all on Bush?

34 posted on 06/21/2014 5:42:40 PM PDT by SeeSharp
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To: Pearls Before Swine
We screwed up by de-stabilizing Iraq.

Iraq was never stable. Saddam used torture chambers and death squads and kept a lid on the media. He also used wars to rally his people (Iran and Kuwait).

35 posted on 06/21/2014 6:12:54 PM PDT by justa-hairyape (The user name is sarcastic. Although at times it may not appear that way.)
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To: cloudmountain

Aaaand what’s the difference between Hoboken and Medina?

/s


36 posted on 06/21/2014 6:25:02 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: Pearls Before Swine
"We screwed up by de-stabilizing Iraq."

Who is "we"? When Obama inherited Iraq, things were stable enough for Biden to declare in 2010 that Iraq "would go down as one of the [Obama] administration's greatest triumphs." Apart from the fact that this was entirely premature, it was typical Obama hubris: whatever stability existed then was the result of Bush, not Obama. Obama then withdrew all troops, refused to communicate with Maliki, turned a blind eye to the situation, played golf, and now we have what we have. You can argue about whether we should have gone to Iraq, but Obama did NOT inherit the situation we have now.
37 posted on 06/21/2014 6:42:34 PM PDT by Steve_Seattle
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To: Steve_Seattle

Guy double Bogey’s, takes Mulligans all day and lies about his score. ...


38 posted on 06/21/2014 7:12:40 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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To: kristinn

A safe haven? In Syria? Really? For these killers.


39 posted on 06/21/2014 9:28:55 PM PDT by Nuc 1.1 (Nuc 1 Liberals aren't Patriots. Remember 1789!)
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To: Lurker
Nuke them both then.

Then we would have nothing to hold over their heads.

40 posted on 06/21/2014 10:11:42 PM PDT by Jeff Chandler (Conservatism is the political disposition of grown-ups.)
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To: Vendome

Medina is “dry” and Hoboken is not.


41 posted on 06/22/2014 6:12:49 AM PDT by cloudmountain
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To: Steve_Seattle

Good points. There’s nothing he can’t make worse, is there?


42 posted on 06/22/2014 6:27:37 AM PDT by Pearls Before Swine
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To: cloudmountain

True...


43 posted on 06/22/2014 1:04:33 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously-you won't live through it anyway-Enjoy Yourself ala Louis Prima)
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