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American Community Survey
Self | 22 June 2014 | Johniegrad

Posted on 06/22/2014 7:18:16 AM PDT by johniegrad

I have received the American Community Survey and several post cards encouraging me to complete it. Having not received this before, I Googled it and found that it isn't sent out to the full populace like the Census is. It also appears to be a longer form of the Census selectively distributed in years other than Census years.

There are a lot of questions that I don't feel much like answering and I stopped when asked about the market value of my home, my insurance costs, and some others. Apparently, if I don't return the survey, I am subject to a fine and/or a call from a Census Bureau employee.

I used to not concern myself with these things and would just fill them out. Then I joined FreeRepublic and became suspicious of everyone and everything. Only slightly just kidding.


TOPICS: Government; Your Opinion/Questions
KEYWORDS: census
Anybody know how one gets singled out for this survey or the advisability of answering it partially or in full? It's probably common knowledge to Freepers but I never received it before.
1 posted on 06/22/2014 7:18:16 AM PDT by johniegrad
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To: johniegrad

Throw it away. The threats they imply are worthless. The Constitutional requirements for Census are pretty explicit. Enumeration does not mean total relinquishment of private information.

I had a woman in my subdivision who got a Census job and she hounded me on multiple occasions about answering questions. I always told her I was dizzy or sick or had to go for a doctor’s appointment for my hypertension. She finally left me alone


2 posted on 06/22/2014 7:21:32 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: johniegrad

I used to not concern myself with these things and would just fill them out. Then I joined FreeRepublic and became suspicious of everyone and everything. Only slightly just kidding.


I suspect you were that way before FR. I threw mine away. I throw ALL surveys away.


3 posted on 06/22/2014 7:21:42 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Where is your thinking cap? The one you were issued in elementary school.)
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To: johniegrad

If you don’t return it properly filled out, you will likely be visited or harrassed by the NSA, IRS, ATF, EPA........and the DNC.


4 posted on 06/22/2014 7:22:01 AM PDT by umgud (I couldn't understand why the ball kept getting bigger......... then it hit me.)
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To: johniegrad
Apparently, if I don't return the survey, I am subject to a fine and/or a call from a Census Bureau employee

Just drop a hint that you are a transgendered lesbian parapalegic with an Hispanic surname and that you have to take care of your illegal alien nieces and nephews as soon as ICE delivers them from the border crossing holding station. The Census folks should be able to make an exception. Heck, they might even send you a check!

5 posted on 06/22/2014 7:22:58 AM PDT by Bernard (The Road To Hell is not paved with good results.)
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To: johniegrad

I got one.

I ignored it.

They sent me followup reminders.

I ignored them too.

They continued to press me and one day there was a female waiting at my door when I came home. She asked me about it and I feigned total ignorance. She asked my name and I declined to answer. She went away.

They sent another followup.

I ignored that too.

They sent another guy out to the house. He TOLD me that they expected me to submit the form.

I replied, “Oh that. I already sent it in” (lie).

They sent one more reminder which I ignored and then they gave up.


6 posted on 06/22/2014 7:23:58 AM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: johniegrad

What survey? (Round file material)


7 posted on 06/22/2014 7:24:10 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: johniegrad

I received & ignored it.
Got 3 more in the mail -,ignored that.
At one point they got my mother-in-law on the phone & she gave them some vague answers that appears to have satisfied them


8 posted on 06/22/2014 7:24:10 AM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Bernard

Wife and I escorted the ‘census taker’ off our property a couple of years ago. He walked around a security gate and two No Trespassing signs.
I told him I would call the sheriff if he returned.
He didn’t.


9 posted on 06/22/2014 7:26:10 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: johniegrad
This has been extensively discussed several times on FR. I looked up all the info after I got the ACS a couple years ago. Start by reading all the past threads to educate yourself on what will happen (or will not happen).

American Community Survey on FR

I refused to answer and they started sending people to the door. They were all polite and non-threatening. One day I was doing remodeling project and couldn't get off the ladder to tell the jerk at the front door off, so my wife answered the door. She's usually mild-mannered and accommodating about stuff like this, but even she got fed up and told the person we weren't going to divulge more info (all the while I'm screaming at the guy from my ladder perch about intrusion of privacy, Constitutional requirements for surveys, etc). The person at the door was cool as a cucumber (I was quite impressed by that), took the info, left, and we never heard from them again.

What's curious is why they keep up this charade when the NSA knows all this information and a lot more about all of us. Why doesn't the Census Bureau just ask the NSA for the data?

10 posted on 06/22/2014 7:26:12 AM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom
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To: johniegrad

In 2000 and 2010, I didn’t answer any questions beyond the number of adults in my home. One census taker got angry, the other shrugged his shoulders and left.

I’d like to think I would not respond to the invasive survey.


11 posted on 06/22/2014 7:26:35 AM PDT by Jacquerie (To restore the 10th Amendment, repeal the 17th. Article V.)
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To: johniegrad

We got one several years back(is it the one that asks how many bathrooms, how many bedrooms, how many people live there, etc?) and only put name rank and ss# and returned it after a VERY long time. We got a visit from some poor gal from the census office. I felt kinda bad for her when she finally left our place. Standing in the driveway in FL in August for a long time and not getting quick straight answers tends to dull ones enthusiasm. :>}


12 posted on 06/22/2014 7:28:28 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: johniegrad

I received one of these years ago while a resident of Illinois. It was trashed along with the other junk mail. Guess they’re still looking for me?


13 posted on 06/22/2014 7:28:57 AM PDT by CARTOUCHE (9999 EOM)
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To: johniegrad

It seems to me that the only way to get into real trouble with this is to provide false information. If you ignore it, they may hassle you but can do little else.


14 posted on 06/22/2014 7:29:27 AM PDT by smokingfrog ( sleep with one eye open (<o> ---)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Why doesn’t the Census Bureau just ask the NSA for the information?

Knowledge is power and the NSA isn’t going to dilute their power by spreading that information around.


15 posted on 06/22/2014 7:33:24 AM PDT by CARTOUCHE (9999 EOM)
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To: johniegrad

Tell them that you have surviphobia and that further discussion or even seeing the form will cause you severe mental anguish. Stop tormenting me. But do provide your name and employee id number in case I need to file a complaint.


16 posted on 06/22/2014 7:35:12 AM PDT by Chewbarkah
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To: johniegrad

Sorry if this has been covered already in the many replies, lot of which I agree with,. It takes about 4 months to get rid of them. I think it’s the nature of the way the hounders they send around are paid. They are contractors looking for some extra bucks and get a bounty for completing a survey. They start showing up about the third month. They come to your house, leave messages at your door; call you up, walk around the back of your house to see if you are home. We ignored them ,didn’t speak to them. After a month or two, they were given a new list of people to harass and stopped showing up as it wasn’t worth their time or effort to bother us any more.


17 posted on 06/22/2014 7:40:12 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: johniegrad

I didn’t answer it.

They sent a gal to ask about it.

I told her I would answer her questions with one simple word, REFUSE...

While not an option on the actual survey, apparently you can simple state...REFUSE... to answer.

No one has ever been jailed or fined for refusing the survey.


18 posted on 06/22/2014 7:44:20 AM PDT by EBH (And the head wound was healed, and Gog became man.)
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To: johniegrad
Like all the comments so far I received it about six weeks ago, and ignored it. Since then I have received several reminders, here is what a post card I got a couple of days ago said:

I'll just post what is on the card in BOLD print...

"Now is the time to complete this survey if you have not already done so"

Your response to this survey is required by U.S. law, if you do not respond, a Census Bureau interviewer may contact you to complete the survey.

There problem as far as I'm concerned is the survey was not addressed to me personally but addressed to RESIDENT, and everything I get addressed resident goes straight in the trash as with all junk mail.

If they do show up at my door, and I have the time, I will answer only those questions I think do not violate my right to privacy, or I'll just tell them to go away.

 

 

 

19 posted on 06/22/2014 7:47:29 AM PDT by PoloSec ( Believe the Gospel: how that Christ died for our sins, was buried and rose again)
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To: EBH

Return it as required, just don’t answer the questions.


20 posted on 06/22/2014 7:47:48 AM PDT by DaveA37
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To: johniegrad
They are very persistent. Sometimes it's hard to tell the difference between them and the Jehovah's Witnesses.
21 posted on 06/22/2014 7:48:00 AM PDT by GBA (Here in the Matrix, life is but a dream.)
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To: johniegrad

You are required by law to respond, but apparently nobody has been prosecuted or fined since the 1970 census.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/statements/2014/jan/09/us-census-bureau/americans-must-answer-us-census-bureau-survey-law-/


22 posted on 06/22/2014 7:49:56 AM PDT by Sherman Logan (Perception wins all the battles. Reality wins all the wars.)
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To: rktman

You actually gave them your Social Security Number?


23 posted on 06/22/2014 7:52:14 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: johniegrad

If you are really interested and want to spend time reading here is a link to multiple
ACS threads on Freerepublic.com over the past several years. Good luck.

https://www.google.com/?gws_rd=ssl#q=site:freerepublic.com+%22american+community+survey%22


24 posted on 06/22/2014 7:55:05 AM PDT by deport
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To: johniegrad

The nature of some of the questions they ask probably is guided by some wonks at the census bureau attempting to comply with UN data base building through WHOdas http://www.who.int/classifications/icf/whodasii/en/


25 posted on 06/22/2014 8:01:58 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

LOL! I didn’t say it was MY ss#. It was from some dead guy in the northeast where I never lived. Sound familiar? :>}


26 posted on 06/22/2014 8:03:57 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: johniegrad

I wouldn’t fill it out...


27 posted on 06/22/2014 8:15:15 AM PDT by Innovative ("Winning isn't everything, it's the only thing." -- Vince Lombardi)
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To: rktman
A useful reference for dealing with .gov busybodies:

Social Security Numbers of Dead Celebrities

I usually alternate between Nixon and Elvis. .

28 posted on 06/22/2014 8:17:16 AM PDT by Salgak
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“Why doesn’t the Census Bureau just ask the NSA for the data? “

Because then they would not have to hire some lame-brained idiots to bother you. Just another way to “buy votes.”


29 posted on 06/22/2014 8:23:13 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

“Wife and I escorted the ‘census taker’ off our property a couple of years ago. He walked around a security gate and two No Trespassing signs.
I told him I would call the sheriff if he returned.
He didn’t.”

Had the same experience myself. We live on a private road. I told the woman who showed up that I had answered all the legally required questions on the Census and that she was trespassing and should not come back for any reason.


30 posted on 06/22/2014 8:25:25 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: johniegrad

Shredder fodder.


31 posted on 06/22/2014 8:30:15 AM PDT by Afterguard (Liberals will let you do nything you want, as long as it's mandatory.)
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To: GBA

“They are very persistent. Sometimes it’s hard to tell the difference between them and the Jehovah’s Witnesses. “

Just “tracting” for a different God!


32 posted on 06/22/2014 8:41:21 AM PDT by vette6387
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To: rktman

“I didn’t say it was MY ss#....”

OK, whew!.....After reading your previous threads about Second Amendment issues (which I’ve thoroughly enjoyed, by the way), you didn’t see like the kind of a guy who would willingly give up personal info to the almightly feds. Thanks for clearing that up.

Hmmmm......some dead guy in the Northeast’s SS#. I’m guessing....Connecticut? But that number is already used, by the resident who hangs out at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue in DC. Can you imagine if a GOP President had numerous Social Security numbers from states he never lived in? The media would be screaming endlessly. But all we get is crickets because, hey, he’s a dem, and a black dem at that.


33 posted on 06/22/2014 8:49:05 AM PDT by july4thfreedomfoundation (I don't want to feel "safe." I want to feel FREE!)
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To: Gaffer

Ii asn’t as polite as you - my pseudo-census worker was somwone I know - a jerk in the village. I told him I had filled out the required forms for the 2010 census and that was it.

He argued. I told him he was recieving no answers from me. He came back 3 times, ever more persistent, even belligerent. I ordered him off my property - with instructions to not set foot on it again.

Meet him at the store often (we’re a one-store village - and he won’t speak to me. I consider that a plus. :)


34 posted on 06/22/2014 8:50:23 AM PDT by maine-iac7 (Christian is as Christian does - by their fruits)
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To: july4thfreedomfoundation

Well him and maybe more than a few “trespassers” from the southern HEMIsphere. Maybe if some of those interlopers would contribute to MY contributions I could get some of my tax money back from the i f’n rs.


35 posted on 06/22/2014 8:54:44 AM PDT by rktman (Ethnicity: Nascarian. Race: Daytonafivehundrian)
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To: PoloSec
"Your response to this survey is required by U.S. law."

When anyone says the US law requires blah, blah, blah, without citing any actual law, they are usually just making it up or exaggerating big time.

36 posted on 06/22/2014 9:22:08 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro.)
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To: johniegrad

Ignore it.

If someone comes to the door, you can say, “I think that person moved back to Mexico” or something like that and you are just renting or visiting. Maybe do not tell them that much, but that is a story you can be congruent with.


37 posted on 06/22/2014 9:27:23 AM PDT by UnwashedPeasant (Don't nuke me, bro.)
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To: johniegrad

Here’s how I solved this “problem.” Pardon me for committing treason...

After all the postcards, etc. an IRS person called me. I asked that they quit sending the post cards. She asked why?

I explained that I had filled out the survey as they requested and mailed it back to them. She claimed (rightly so) that they never received it. I told her this appeared to be a problem between the IRS and the USPS.

She said they could mail me another survey. I explained that I had done my duty already and wasn’t doing any more.

Never heard from them again.


38 posted on 06/22/2014 9:39:35 AM PDT by upchuck (Everyday, Joe Wilson becomes more correct!)
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To: johniegrad

guess I’m not as lucky as most and get a personal visit. Received the ACS once, then another, then another. Threw them all away. No visit. Completed the last real census with name, number of people and that was about it. No one visited or followed up.


39 posted on 06/22/2014 10:12:15 AM PDT by rigelkentaurus
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To: deport

You know you can search within Free Republic and not have to go through Google, right? There’s a search window on the top of the Forum page.


40 posted on 06/22/2014 10:29:38 AM PDT by Albion Wilde ("The commenters are plenty but the thinkers are few." -- Walid Shoebat)
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To: rockrr
I only can wish that thousands of people would do as you've described in number 6. There would be absolutely nothing the government could do about it and if enough people did it, it would be a budget buster for the census bureau. Think about how much your obstinacy cost and you're just one person, multiply that by tens of thousands and you're talking about a real pain in the butt for the census bureau idiots.
41 posted on 06/22/2014 11:09:52 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: johniegrad
I have always answered, 2 homosapians and in red ink across the rest of the form, NONE OF YOUR FXXXXXX BUSINESS.
42 posted on 06/22/2014 11:23:09 AM PDT by dalereed
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To: Graybeard58

Thanks. I thought about phony entries (just to “F” with them) but was leery of some kind of federal statute about making false statements on official government documents. I considered just telling them to piss off but that just invites a hostile response (which I can handle but why invite it?).

I discovered long ago that passive aggressive is always the best policy when dealing with the gubmint. Don’t make yourself a target, don’t make yourself a martyr, just don’t cooperate.

An axiom I learned from my dad came in the form of a rhetorical question: “Do you have to get mad in order to get what you want?” Are you capable of maintaining an emotional detachment while engaging the enemy? Employing this principle has allowed me to turn the tables on bureaucrats and smug a-holes for years. Figure out ahead of time what your endgame is and never allow your opponent to drag you off your mark. Never give away an advantage (especially when they hold all the best cards!), never compromise your principles, and never give an inch.

More than ever we need to have strategies to survive encounters with an increasingly lawless and ruthless government.


43 posted on 06/22/2014 12:12:30 PM PDT by rockrr (Everything is different now...)
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To: johniegrad

They pick people at random, there’s no repercussions for junking it.


44 posted on 06/22/2014 12:18:33 PM PDT by discostu (Ladies and gentlemen watch Ruth!)
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To: Albion Wilde

Yep I know about the FR Forum Seach function. Thanks.


45 posted on 06/22/2014 12:56:57 PM PDT by deport
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To: johniegrad

Huh? This is not a census year.

What’s going on?


46 posted on 06/22/2014 2:04:56 PM PDT by Peet (Liberals are the feces that are created when shame eats too much stupid. -Dale Gribble)
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To: Peet
Huh? This is not a census year.

The census, as you know, is every 10 years. The idiots at the census bureau have to have something to do the other 9 years.

47 posted on 06/22/2014 3:29:04 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (If any man love not the Lord Jesus Christ, let him be Anathema Maranatha. 1 Cor 16: 32)
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To: discostu; All

They pick people at random, there’s no repercussions for junking it.
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The AC Survey is used to collect a lot of detailed demographic information.

That information is then sorted and compiled into different categories and sold to advertisers, telemarketers, businesses, etc., who use the zip codes, income levels, housing sizes and values, etc., to determine where to best open new stores/restaurants/franchises and otherwise hit their target customers.

(Sorry for that last loooong sentence.)


48 posted on 06/22/2014 6:20:03 PM PDT by octex
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To: johniegrad

We got one with those types of questions, but in the fine print at the top of the page (IIRC) it said the survey was VOLUNTARY so when they showed up at the house when I was backing out of the driveway, I mentioned that, the guy agreed, so I told them we weren’t VOLUNTEERING to complete it. Not much he could say at that point & I was on my way.


49 posted on 06/22/2014 6:28:34 PM PDT by TropicanaRose
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