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Iran rejects U.S. action in Iraq as militants push east
Yahoo! News ^ | 6/22/14 | Kamal Namaa - Reuters

Posted on 06/22/2014 9:19:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge

ANBAR Iraq (Reuters) - Iran's supreme leader condemned U.S. intervention in Iraq on Sunday, accusing Washington of seeking control as Sunni insurgents drove toward Baghdad from the Syrian border and consolidated positions in the north and west.

The statement by Ayatollah Ali Khamenei was the clearest statement of opposition to a U.S. plan to dispatch of up to 300 military advisers in response to pleas from the Iraqi government and runs counter to speculation that old enemies Washington and Tehran might cooperate to defend their mutual ally in Baghdad.

"We are strongly opposed to U.S. and other intervention in Iraq," IRNA news agency quoted Khamenei as saying. "We don’t approve of it as we believe the Iraqi government, nation and religious authorities are capable of ending the sedition."

(Excerpt) Read more at news.yahoo.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Front Page News; Government; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: iran; iraq; isil; isis; militants; rejects; syria; wot
Iran excels at pulling the rug out from under the feet of any hopes for peace talks and we continue to oblige, almost encourage them to do so.. or is it tempt.?

How many times have DemocRat Presidents messed up things royally in the Middle East?

History is a tough taskmaster.. some never get it.

1 posted on 06/22/2014 9:19:10 AM PDT by NormsRevenge
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To: NormsRevenge

You think Bush’s invasion of Iraq was a smart way to spend $1 trillion and 4500 american lives?


2 posted on 06/22/2014 9:21:17 AM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: NormsRevenge

and remember, the $1 trillion was borrowed from China. We don’t have money to spend, we have debt to finance.


3 posted on 06/22/2014 9:22:09 AM PDT by WilliamIII
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To: WilliamIII

Make that $2 trillion.


4 posted on 06/22/2014 9:24:04 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Rip it out by the roots.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Looks like Ahmamurderijad is going to get his wish for world chaos so that his 1313th Imam can arise from Hell.


5 posted on 06/22/2014 9:32:11 AM PDT by Shady (What do you have to hide, DC?)
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To: NormsRevenge

If Obama were serious about stopping the ISIL offensive he would be forcing Saudi Arabia to stop its funding of the “Islamists”. Instead he is sending more young brave Americans to die in a quagmire. Time for an orderly and safe evacuation of the American embassy and put this whole sorry chapter behind us. No Americans should be captured or detained. The coming battle for Baghdad between hardened Sunni veteran fighters and the mostly novice Shi’ite militias and their equally untested Iranian “volunteers” won’t be pretty.


6 posted on 06/22/2014 9:32:50 AM PDT by allendale
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To: WilliamIII

Yes - that wasn’t the mistake. Letting the Democrats push for nation building was the error.

After taking Baghdad and the capture of Saddam Hussein, we should have left.


7 posted on 06/22/2014 9:33:38 AM PDT by SatinDoll (A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN IS BORN IN THE US OF US CITIZEN PARENTS.)
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To: WilliamIII

Give Ron Paul some credit. In 2003 he outlined chapter and verse why the invasion of Iraq was lunacy. He also accurately predicted the futility, horrendous cost and the final outcome.


8 posted on 06/22/2014 9:35:32 AM PDT by allendale
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To: allendale

Did he predict we’d have a Muslim in the white house funding terrorists?


9 posted on 06/22/2014 9:38:09 AM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: NormsRevenge
That Sunni and Shia Muslims battle each other while claiming the same religion is a disgrace. This hatred of competing sects is, unfortunately, not unique to Islam.

Ireland has had its share of fighting between Protestant and Catholic, as had Germany in earlier times. From 'The History Guide':

"The Thirty Years' War began in Bohemia, an area in which Germans and Czechs, and Lutherans, Calvinists and Catholics lived in relative peace. The peace was shattered when Ferdinand II (1578-1637) became the king of Bohemia in 1617. Ferdinand was a zealous Catholic and the Bohemian Protestants feared he would recatholicize Bohemia. In May 1618, the imperial governors were thrown from the windows of Prague Castle. Ferdinand was deposed and the crown was offered to Frederick V (1596-1632, also known as the Winter King) of the Palatinate. This act extended the war from Bohemia to the Holy Roman Empire itself. The Protestant Union under Frederick now faced the Catholic League behind Ferdinand, who was now emperor. The Bohemian phase of the Thirty Years' War ended at the battle of the White Mountain in November 1620. With Bohemia in ruins, Ferdinand used the Jesuits to recatholicize the territory. The Czech nobility lost everything, the economy lay in ruins and half the population had been killed by war or plague."

10 posted on 06/22/2014 9:42:55 AM PDT by JPG (Yes We Can morphs into Make It Hurt.)
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To: allendale

Your words will mean even more in a couple of weeks:

“Time for an orderly and safe evacuation of the American embassy and put this whole sorry chapter behind us. No Americans should be captured or detained. The coming battle for Baghdad between hardened Sunni veteran fighters and the mostly novice Shi’ite militias and their equally untested Iranian “volunteers” won’t be pretty.”


11 posted on 06/22/2014 9:42:59 AM PDT by Grampa Dave ( Herr Obozo, the Sunni WonDoer, will not divert $'s from his war on Americans to help our Veterans!)
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To: WilliamIII

I blame BushOne for not finishing the invasion of Kuwait off with a push all the way to Baghdad and Tehran while we had so much force available at the time to get the job done.

at least Powell could have been allowed to mop up the militants as they fled to Baghdad and Tehran and who knows where else.

all that was left was a tinder box.

smart has nothing to do with geopolitik btw, imo.

why some are allowed to dabble in it for so long is a mystery, in a way.


12 posted on 06/22/2014 9:57:59 AM PDT by NormsRevenge (Semper Fi - Revolution is a'brewin!!!)
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To: CommieCutter

Did he predict we’d have a Muslim in the white house funding terrorists?


Bush and Cheney knew all about Obama in 2007.


13 posted on 06/22/2014 10:02:14 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

And what’s Rand doing about that now?


14 posted on 06/22/2014 10:20:16 AM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: NormsRevenge

Why did Obama leave large caches of our weapons behind when he withdrew our soldiers from Iraq?

It seems like an important question, since ISIS’s seizure of those weapons has made it easier for them to conquer their way through northern Iraq on their way to Baghdad, killing Iraqi soldiers, whom we’re supposed to be supporting.

When we left Vietnam, we did so under duress, with American personnel clinging to helicopters. So there was no chance for an orderly withdrawal of our weapons then, as there was in Iraq.

The North Vietnamese subsequently used our abandoned weapons to massacre their former American-supported enemies in South Vietnam. Does anyone doubt ISIS will do the same to their American-supported Shiite enemies in Iraq when they achieve their inevitable victory using our abandoned weapons?


15 posted on 06/22/2014 10:25:12 AM PDT by Bluestocking
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To: CommieCutter

What are Bush and Cheney doing about it now? Cheney speaks out but Bush is silent.

Bush and Cheney are big New World Order supporters so it is to be expected.


16 posted on 06/22/2014 10:43:26 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: NormsRevenge

Good points.

You can also blame Bush Two for not fighting the war properly. This assumes that we should have gone there at all. I do not believe in Petraeus-style winning of hearts and minds. That is for host governments conducting counter-insurgency operations, not for invading armies. I believe in minding our own business for the most part. However, if we go to war, we should be dropping Daisy cutters like rain and crushing the enemy. Also, once Baghdad fell we should have kept rolling into Iran and crushed them too. After toppling both governments and crushing their militaries, we should have set up our puppet governments and left. If they acted up again, we could have dropped more daisy-cutters. No reason to get drawn into low-intensity conflict and occupation.


17 posted on 06/22/2014 10:46:00 AM PDT by 3Fingas (Sons and Daughters for Freedom and Rededication to the Principles of the U.S. Constitution)
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To: laplata

RonPaulian and AlexJonesian goggly gook.


18 posted on 06/22/2014 10:46:34 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: rbmillerjr

You need to wake up and smell the crap.

“We are entering a New World Order” was repeated many times by GHW Bush and his son also made that pronouncement.

Now the US military is only being used to protect those interests and that goal.


19 posted on 06/22/2014 10:50:02 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: rbmillerjr

Sailors take aim at new recruiting slogan
Oct. 11, 2009 - 09:27AM | Last Updated: Oct. 11, 2009 - 09:27AM | 0Comments

By Philip Ewing
Staff writer

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The Navy’s new recruiting slogan, “America’s Navy: A global force for good,” was designed from the outset to motivate existing sailors as much as to entice young people to enlist.

But according to reactions by Navy Times readers in the week since the slogan was made public, that plan isn’t working.

“Holy cow! This is getting really stupid. Why do we need to change our slogan again? I don’t think it describes the Navy at all,” said Machinist’s Mate 1st Class (SS/SW) Michael Dayton, stationed at Puget Sound Naval Shipyard in Bangor, Wash.

Navy Times received 56 e-mails from readers, and all but six disliked the slogan.

Their reasons were many. Several sailors said they worried the new slogan was wrong for the Navy’s reputation as a combat force.

“This bumper-sticker jingle would look good on a flower-toting cart, but when an [aircraft carrier] that displaces over 100,000 tons pulls up off your coast, generally the thought is, ‘Oh crap, the U.S. Navy is here,’” said Information Specialist 1st Class (SW/AW) Joshua Forman, of the 2nd Fleet Military Intelligence Operations Center.

Others said they didn’t like what they saw as the Navy using too preachy a sales pitch.

“I think the new Navy slogan is utterly ridiculous,” said Hospital Corpsman 2nd Class (FMF) Gabriel Michaels, attached to 2nd Battalion, 8th Marines, in Camp Dwyer, Afghanistan. “It evokes feelings of moral superiority and control — which is not something we are or need — and completely brushes aside the fact that we are a vastly technologically superior Navy when compared to others.”

Some people disliked the slogan for practical reasons: “This is not ‘America’s Navy.’ It is the United States Navy … America encompasses two continents. The United States is located in just one. Tell them to get it right,” said retired Lt. Cmdr. Bill Jones.

Other people disliked it because it sounded too over the top: “It sounds like a catchphrase for a bunch of superheroes,” said Chief Aviation Machinist’s Mate (AW) Randy Whitney, just one of the sailors who invoked the 1970s cartoon classic “Super Friends.”

“Do they plan on moving all the Navy’s Pentagon offices to the Hall of Justice?” Whitney asked.

To be sure, two sailors did say unequivocally that they liked the change.

Operations Specialist 3rd Class Daniel Leaks, of Fleet Area Control and Surveillance Facility Virginia Capes, Va., said he appreciated the slogan’s focus on the Navy’s service all over the world.

“I believe that the new slogan is a brilliant idea that represents the Navy as a family and fighting for one goal, and that goal is protecting our United States,” he said.

Master-at-Arms 3rd Class Gary Adams, an individual augmentee serving with the Army’s 705th Military Police Battalion in Camp Taji, Iraq, also liked how the new campaign reflected what the Navy does today.

“I think it is right on the spot,” Adams said. “We are outside the box more than any other branch in these times.”


20 posted on 06/22/2014 10:52:49 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

They’re not in power. And I don’t see them helping Obama the way Paul is with some of his comments.

Again, what’s Paul doing about it other than contradicting himself the same way every other politician has done on Iraq?

You can’t say (as Paul did) the US is funding ISIS, then turn around and say the ISIS attack is proof of an organic civil war.


21 posted on 06/22/2014 11:33:24 AM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: CommieCutter

You can’t say (as Paul did) the US is funding ISIS, then turn around and say the ISIS attack is proof of an organic civil war.


And why not? Obama wants the fall of Iraq.


22 posted on 06/22/2014 12:24:50 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata
And why not? Obama wants the fall of Iraq.

Of course he does, and Paul is helping him with some of his comments.

23 posted on 06/22/2014 12:33:42 PM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: CommieCutter

Paul is exposing Obama, not helping him.


24 posted on 06/22/2014 2:51:00 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: CommieCutter

“Did he predict we’d have a Muslim in the white house funding terrorists?”

Obama needs impeached but so did Bush. Both need to face some serious accountability. If not the next President will act even more counter to our Constitution.

We were sold a bill of goods when we chose to enter that supposed free cake walk war. What we need are American leaders working conscientiously for all Americans. I’m not seeing that from either Party. Too many Americans vote for the color of team’s jersey rather than voting out those that do not serve our Constitution and America.

To be honest I can hardly stand listening to many of them pontificate about their own incompetence and what should end up being treason. Americans are on the cusp of waking up to how we been screwed over by shrewd corrupt politicians and a do nothing media.


25 posted on 06/22/2014 5:50:33 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Global corporatism is not conservatism. It wants to own your politicians and sovereignty)
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To: apoliticalone

I’m curious as to what grounds you would impeach Bush?


26 posted on 06/22/2014 5:52:14 PM PDT by eyedigress ((zOld storm chaser from the west)/?s)
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To: eyedigress

“I’m curious as to what grounds you would impeach Bush?”

Unconstitutionally spying on law abiding American citizens that had nothing to do with 9-11. 9-11 was carried out by outsiders and those on expired visas. They should have secured the borders and visa holders.

Instead he used 9-11 as an excuse to trample on average Americans and attempted to open our Mexican borders. Had Bush been impeached as an example, Obama would not be trashing our Constitution. If the Congress doesn’t take back our government expect it to get worse in the coming imperial Presidencies.


27 posted on 06/22/2014 8:23:24 PM PDT by apoliticalone (Global corporatism is not conservatism. It wants to own your politicians and sovereignty)
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To: allendale

“The coming battle for Baghdad between hardened Sunni veteran fighters and the mostly novice Shi’ite militias and their equally untested Iranian “volunteers” won’t be pretty.”

With the Ba’ath Party having put the band back together, having seized the biggest chemical weapons depot in the country, and in possession of some fine-looking howitzers; I’d expect a mass killing campaign like it’s 1988 - only this time against the Shia.

The Ba’ath Party was modeled on the Nazi Party - socialism based on race rather than class - The supremacy of the Arab race (translated as “The Arab Nation” or “Arab Nationalism” by Western apologists).

They have long insulted the Iraqi Shia by calling them “Persians”. It is a threat really, because the Ba’ath used race to justify genocide and ethnic cleansing of Kurds. I have talked to “former” Ba’athists who very spiritedly recommended levelling every building in East Baghdad (Sadr City) and killing every last person there, because “they aren’t even really Arabs”.

Expeienced mass murderers with the doctrine, organization and training to do it; now equipped with the means.

Get your popcorn now, it could be a big show.


28 posted on 06/22/2014 10:03:27 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: allendale

“The coming battle for Baghdad between hardened Sunni veteran fighters and the mostly novice Shi’ite militias and their equally untested Iranian “volunteers” won’t be pretty.”

With the Ba’ath Party having put the band back together, having seized the biggest chemical weapons depot in the country, and in possession of some fine-looking howitzers; I’d expect a mass killing campaign like it’s 1988 - only this time against the Shia.

The Ba’ath Party was modeled on the Nazi Party - socialism based on race rather than class - The supremacy of the Arab race (translated as “The Arab Nation” or “Arab Nationalism” by Western apologists).

They have long insulted the Iraqi Shia by calling them “Persians”. It is a threat really, because the Ba’ath used race to justify genocide and ethnic cleansing of Kurds. I have talked to “former” Ba’athists who very spiritedly recommended levelling every building in East Baghdad (Sadr City) and killing every last person there, because “they aren’t even really Arabs”.

Expeienced mass murderers with the doctrine, organization and training to do it; now equipped with the means.

Get your popcorn now, it could be a big show.


29 posted on 06/22/2014 10:03:39 PM PDT by BeauBo
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To: laplata

I have msn as my homepage. He is providing a nice distraction for the msm.


30 posted on 06/23/2014 3:46:17 AM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: apoliticalone

The whole thing stinks, I agree. But RP looks just as bad as everyone else at this point. And the NWO accusers are wasting their time with him as well.


31 posted on 06/23/2014 3:50:05 AM PDT by CommieCutter ("For an idea to be too simplistic, it must first be proven wrong" --Thomas Sowell)
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To: NormsRevenge

The ‘90 UN resolution was for ejecting Iraqi troops from Kuwait, not for taking Baghdad.


32 posted on 06/23/2014 5:50:08 AM PDT by Justa
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To: NormsRevenge

Peace talks?

There will be no peace talks until the capture of Sunni territory is complete. The talks then will be concerned with determining precise boundaries between the ISSL, Shia land and Old Syria.

Neither Iraq nor Syria posesses the ability to assault and capture back the lost territory. The assets captured in Iraq assure the ISSL will prevail in Syria. The Iraqi Shia lack the will to go on offense.


33 posted on 06/23/2014 5:56:48 AM PDT by bert ((K.E. N.P. N.C. +12 ..... Obama is public enemy #1)
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To: allendale
If Obama were serious about stopping the ISIL offensive he would be forcing Saudi Arabia to stop its funding of the “Islamists”

To be more precise, that is American and Western money financing the terrorists but laundered through Saudi Arabia through immense purchases of crude oil and gas.

"Energy Independence" is more than just a cute slogan. It is essential to our survival.

34 posted on 06/23/2014 5:59:33 AM PDT by Gritty (The war is over. We won. - Michael Yon, Top Iraq War Correspondent, 07/21/2008)
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To: CommieCutter

The evil media will use anything to distract and spin for Obama. Paul is a drop in the bucket.


35 posted on 06/23/2014 9:08:55 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: rbmillerjr

RonPaulian and AlexJonesian goggly gook.

http://youtu.be/eJukZTtJxFo


36 posted on 06/23/2014 10:42:21 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: laplata

Well double down and go all in.

Because if someone uses the phraseology “new world order”, they obviously are committed to the same grand conspiracy that is twisted into your imagination.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPPzybcdzFs


37 posted on 06/24/2014 4:48:39 AM PDT by rbmillerjr (Reagan conservative: All 3 Pillars)
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To: rbmillerjr

Thanks..


38 posted on 06/24/2014 8:19:12 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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