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Dick Cheney: Rand Paul Is Wrong On Foreign Policy
Business Insider ^ | 06/22/2014 | Hunter Walker

Posted on 06/22/2014 10:48:17 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

ormer Vice President Dick Cheney fired back Sunday after Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) criticized his position on Iraq. In an appearance on ABC's "This Week," Cheney argued Paul, who is widely seen as a potential presidential candidate in 2016, is an "isolationist" who doesn't understand the "absolutely essential" need for America to be involved in the Middle East.

"Now, Rand Paul and — by my standards, as I look at his — his philosophy, is basically an isolationist. That didn't work in the 1930s, it sure as heck won't work in the aftermath of 9/11, when 19 guys armed with airline tickets and box cutters came all the way from Afghanistan and killed 3,000 of our citizens," Cheney said, according to a rush transcript of the show

Paul addressed Cheney's position on Iraq in an interview with NBC that aired on "Meet The Press" Sunday. In that interview, Paul critiqued a Wall Street Journal op-ed written by Cheney and his daughter, Liz, that was critical of President Barack Obama's foreign policy and handling of the crisis in Iraq. The Cheneys said Obama's "rhetoric" about ending the Iraq War had "come crashing into reality" after troop withdrawals were followed by jihadists from the group Islamic State of Iraq and the Levant (ISIS) taking territory in the country. Paul argued Cheney and others who supported the Iraq War were primarily to blame for many of the current issues in the Middle East. 

"What’s going on now — I don’t blame on President Obama. Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution. But I do blame the Iraq War on the chaos that is in the Middle East," Paul said. "I also blame those who are for the Iraq War for emboldening Iran.

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TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Philosophy; US: Kentucky
KEYWORDS: dickcheney; foreignpolicy; iran; iraq; isolationist; kentucky; libertarian; libtardian; randnesty; randpaul; randpaultruthfile; randsconcerntrolls; ronpaultruthfile; thekycandidate
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1 posted on 06/22/2014 10:48:18 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind
Sorry, Dick -- you were much smarter and more prescient back in 1994:

'If you take down the central government in Iraq, you could easily see pieces of Iraq fly off ... It's a quagmire.'

2 posted on 06/22/2014 10:52:04 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: SeekAndFind
But I do blame the Iraq War on the chaos that is in the Middle East," Paul said. "I also blame those who are for the Iraq War for emboldening Iran.

If this quote is accurate, I really wonder about Paul's syntax. Is he using present tense when he means to use past? Is he sequencing historic events chronologically or according to some Lew Rockwell formula?

3 posted on 06/22/2014 10:53:19 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: SeekAndFind

As much as I respect Dick Cheney events have shown that Saddam was maybe the least worst option from the US perspective. I cannot help but believe that Dick was the driving force in that adventure. Dick not accepting his own culpability in this destroys his argument.

G. Sr had the wisdom to override Powell and not remove Saddam when he had his chance.


4 posted on 06/22/2014 10:57:19 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: SeekAndFind

I really used to like Dick Cheney, but that was back in the days when I actually trusted the Federal government. Now, I know that the Federal government has been rotten and corrupt for a long time.


5 posted on 06/22/2014 10:57:49 AM PDT by grumpygresh (Democrats delenda est. New US economy: Fascism on top, Socialism on the bottom.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

G. Sr had the wisdom to override Powell and not remove Saddam when he had his chance.


I think Powell wanted to withdraw, not take Baghdad and remove Sadam.


6 posted on 06/22/2014 10:59:50 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Paul has an odd way of running as a Republican for POTUS. Support Obama and trash Bush.


7 posted on 06/22/2014 11:02:02 AM PDT by nhwingut (This tagline is for lease)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

I’ve often wondered if the difference between George H. W. Bush and George W. Bush was that the elder one carried some wisdom from flying combat missions in World War II and getting shot down on a mission over the Bonin Islands in the Pacific Ocean.


8 posted on 06/22/2014 11:03:20 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

...and Head of CIA and a lot of State Department experience. Sr. knew how the world turns.


9 posted on 06/22/2014 11:05:02 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: laplata

My memory says just the opposite.


10 posted on 06/22/2014 11:05:37 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Your memory is probably better than mine.


11 posted on 06/22/2014 11:07:44 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

...and Head of CIA and a lot of State Department experience. Sr. knew how the world turns.


Yep, into the “New World Order”.


12 posted on 06/22/2014 11:09:19 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: nhwingut

Right now, the place I’d choose to be in the Middle East, other than Israel, would be Kurdistan, courtesy of George W. Bush and Dick Cheney who overthrew Sadaam after G.H. W. Bush and Powell allowed him to gas them.


13 posted on 06/22/2014 11:11:37 AM PDT by gusopol3
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To: laplata

William J. Clinton
Statement on Signing the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998
October 31, 1998

Today I am signing into law H.R. 4655, the “Iraq Liberation Act of 1998.” This Act makes clear that it is the sense of the Congress that the United States should support those elements of the Iraqi opposition that advocate a very different future for Iraq than the bitter reality of internal repression and external aggression that the current regime in Baghdad now offers.

Let me be clear on what the U.S. objectives are:

The United States wants Iraq to rejoin the family of nations as a freedom-loving and lawabiding member. This is in our interest and that of our allies within the region.

The United States favors an Iraq that offers its people freedom at home. I categorically reject arguments that this is unattainable due to Iraq’s history or its ethnic or sectarian makeup. Iraqis deserve and desire freedom like everyone else.

The United States looks forward to a democratically supported regime that would permit us to enter into a dialogue leading to the reintegration of Iraq into normal international life.

My Administration has pursued, and will continue to pursue, these objectives through active application of all relevant United Nations Security Council resolutions. The evidence is overwhelming that such changes will not happen under the current Iraq leadership.

In the meantime, while the United States continues to look to the Security Council’s efforts to keep the current regime’s behavior in check, we look forward to new leadership in Iraq that has the support of the Iraqi people. The United States is providing support to opposition groups from all sectors of the Iraqi community that could lead to a popularly supported government.


14 posted on 06/22/2014 11:13:58 AM PDT by shelterguy
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To: SeekAndFind

A Paul wrong on foreign policy, imagine that!


15 posted on 06/22/2014 11:16:47 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("The Arab Spring is over. Welcome to the Jihadi Spring." Jonah Goldberg)
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To: shelterguy

Thanks.


16 posted on 06/22/2014 11:17:17 AM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Sorry Dick. I used to like you when I believed in you. Now I see I was duped. Iraq was not worth all the lives, limbs, brains, and money we WASTED there.

“We’re almost there”.
“Just a little bit longer”.
“Just a few thousand more troops”.
“We must maintain security while we nation build”.
“We just need this last SURGE”.
“We just need a little more time to train Iraqi soldiers”.

Meanwhile,
4487 U.S troops killed,

32,223 wounded,

Percent of U.S. soldiers wounded with serious brain or
spinal injuries 20 %

Total percentage of U.S. soldiers who served in Iraq War who developed serious mental health problems within 4 months of returning home 30 %

1 TRILLION dollars wasted.

And Dick, you want to get us involved in Iraq again?

The only way I would get involved anywhere in the Middle East again is dropping nuclear bombs from stealth aircraft.


17 posted on 06/22/2014 11:18:40 AM PDT by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama has been in charge for four and a half years now. Blaming Bush will not improve anything. A coherent policy is what is needed.


18 posted on 06/22/2014 11:21:55 AM PDT by Lurkina.n.Learnin
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To: Alberta's Child

In Chaney’s defense, he stated if we went in alone, which we didn’t in 2003.


19 posted on 06/22/2014 11:23:47 AM PDT by celmak
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To: nhwingut

Exactly!


20 posted on 06/22/2014 11:24:57 AM PDT by celmak
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie; laplata

No, I remember how Powell and Bush were horrified by the networks showing of the destruction General Schwarzkopf was going through heading toward Baghdad; and Bush took Powell’s advice in stopping Schwarzkopf.


21 posted on 06/22/2014 11:30:40 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak

Correct. Our effort was never unilateral as the media brainwashed the sheeple into.believing.

The vote in Congress was bipartisan...the UN was onboard and all Intel from various countries pointed to WMD. Plus it was Clinton who.issued the Iraqi Liberation Act not.Bush.


22 posted on 06/22/2014 11:31:53 AM PDT by what's up
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To: faucetman
I'm willing to volunteer to land in Iraq with an infantry force. But only if Liz Cheney or one of the Bush daughters is leading us out of the helicopter.

No deal, Dick? Then go clean up that mess yourself.

23 posted on 06/22/2014 11:33:19 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: faucetman

So you blame Bush for what is happening now?


24 posted on 06/22/2014 11:33:26 AM PDT by celmak
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To: what's up

Exactly! And people soon forget what Clinton did to Iraq in Desert Fox (though he did do it to avoid his scandals). He was quick to off on sign H.R. 4655!


25 posted on 06/22/2014 11:37:12 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak
That was only one of the points Cheney raised in 1994. It wasn't going to be any less of a "quagmire" if the U.S. had other nations involved in the military effort.

The whole issue of whether the U.S. was "going in alone" of if it was part of a multi-national force was complete bullsh!t, anyway. The U.S. did not need military assistance from any other country in any of these military campaigns -- which means the multi-national aspect of them was nothing more than a political measure to somehow make these military campaigns more acceptable to Americans.

Rule #1 for me on this is: Don't ever expect me to take you seriously if you're going play political games with military engagements.

26 posted on 06/22/2014 11:37:32 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: celmak

Might have been. Either way it was the right decision.


27 posted on 06/22/2014 11:37:58 AM PDT by ImJustAnotherOkie (zerogottago)
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To: what's up

When conservatives here on FreeRepublic are holding up a piece of legislation from the Clinton Administration to support an argument in favor of U.S. military action overseas, I’d say we’ve pretty much put the whole conservative movement to shame.


28 posted on 06/22/2014 11:38:51 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Likewise when people here support exactly what Obama has done in pulling out our troops from Iraq before its time and hamstringing the US so that terrorists like ISIS can move in.


29 posted on 06/22/2014 11:42:14 AM PDT by celmak
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Rand Paul lost what little support or respect I had for him...he is certainly his Father’s Son..

I fully will support TED CRUZ for 2016...


30 posted on 06/22/2014 11:43:32 AM PDT by haircutter
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To: ImJustAnotherOkie

Nope, I totally disagree. We will eventually be going back and we will not be as strong, willing or able then. We will have more than double the rules of engagement - which I did not agree with during Bush I.


31 posted on 06/22/2014 11:48:37 AM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak
Correct. It's 100% Obama's making for losing the peace in Iraq, and likely much of the rest of the Middle East.
32 posted on 06/22/2014 11:49:08 AM PDT by Red Steel
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To: haircutter

Ditto - Cruz in 2016!


33 posted on 06/22/2014 11:49:11 AM PDT by celmak
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To: SeekAndFind

Cheney is right. We need to finish what we started a decade earlier. Obomao just does not understand.


34 posted on 06/22/2014 11:50:21 AM PDT by sagar
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To: celmak
Obama had no choice in pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq. Once the Iraqi government insisted that U.S. military personnel had to be subject to Iraqi law as a condition of the status of forces agreement between the two countries, the U.S. government has no business leaving them over there unless it's to overthrow the new government and lay waste to the entire country on the way out the door.

The biggest mistake the U.S. made over there was in deluding itself into thinking that Iraq even had a sovereign government that was capable of negotiating any kind of agreements like that.

P.S. -- The U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement was signed by George W. Bush in 2008.

35 posted on 06/22/2014 11:53:40 AM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: celmak

(cel...my initials!!!)

Time for NEW BLOOD, NEW IDEAS, AND ONE WHO STILL SHOWS RESPECT TO OUR LORD...

HAVE A GREAT SUNDAY FOLKS...


36 posted on 06/22/2014 11:55:50 AM PDT by haircutter
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To: SeekAndFind

Hindsight is wonderful. But it changes nothing and we never seem to learn that doing the same thing again will somehow have better results this time. Thus the mess we are in today.


37 posted on 06/22/2014 11:56:49 AM PDT by mulligan (I)
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To: Alberta's Child
That was only one of the points Cheney raised in 1994.

That was the only point in the video. Don't ever expect me to take you seriously if you're going play political games with military engagements.

I'll grant you that, don't tie the hands of our military with unnecessary "rules of engagement"! Bring it back to at least WW2 level.

38 posted on 06/22/2014 11:57:40 AM PDT by celmak
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To: SeekAndFind

Rand Paul is a Libtardian moron!


39 posted on 06/22/2014 11:58:03 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Unions are an Affirmative Action program for Slackers! .)
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To: faucetman
Sorry Dick. I used to like you when I believed in you. Now I see I was duped.

I'm with you on that. His, and Rumfeld's, actual statements after the invasion are just appalling.

But none of this should give the Democrats any comfort. They are just as complicit in this mess. Both sides need to be honest about their mistakes, so this sort of thing won't happen again.

40 posted on 06/22/2014 11:58:37 AM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: mulligan
Thus the mess we are in today.

The mess we are in is purely with Obama.

41 posted on 06/22/2014 11:59:06 AM PDT by celmak
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To: SeekAndFind
In hindsight it would've probably been better to destroy whatever remaining offensive capability Iraq possessed in 2003 with airstrikes and then quarantine her population, or at least prevent then from directly or indirectly immigrating until the country had sufficiently reformed itself, however long that would've taken.

Once we had committed ourselves we needed to stay committed, if for no other reason than to honor those who had sacrificed. Besides, I think there was a reasonable chance something beneficial and lasting could've been achieved there had we not elected a Marxist squish as president.

42 posted on 06/22/2014 12:01:03 PM PDT by skeeter
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"Obama had no choice in pulling U.S. troops out of Iraq ???"

OTFLOL !!! And you say, "When conservatives here on FreeRepublic are holding up a piece of legislation from the Clinton Administration to support an argument in favor of U.S. military action overseas, I’d say we’ve pretty much put the whole conservative movement to shame.

So, SHAME ON YOU!

43 posted on 06/22/2014 12:05:06 PM PDT by celmak
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P.S. -- The U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement was signed by George W. Bush in 2008.

And in no way included the kind of pull-out that Obama did (which you obviously support!).

44 posted on 06/22/2014 12:08:04 PM PDT by celmak
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To: celmak
That was the only point in the video.

Absolutely false.

The video is 1:22 long. The point about "going at it alone" was made before the 0:20 mark, and was followed by a litany of other reasons why a U.S. occupation of Iraq was completely untenable.

P.S. -- How many Arab nations were part of the military force that invaded Iraq in 2003?

45 posted on 06/22/2014 12:12:14 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: celmak

Thanks.


46 posted on 06/22/2014 12:15:08 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: celmak
Under the U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement signed by George W. Bush in 2008, all U.S. military personnel were to leave Iraq by December 31, 2011.

Is there another U.S.-Iraq Status of Forces Agreement out there that I'm not aware of? Please fill me in on the details if that is the case.

47 posted on 06/22/2014 12:15:38 PM PDT by Alberta's Child ("What in the wide, wide world of sports is goin' on here?")
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To: Alberta's Child

Only Liberaltarian idiots would propose that we not go into Iraq, after the evidence and intelligence for WMD was shown and given to the President.

It would have been entirely negligent not to go in.

The fact that RonPaul, RandPaul and other conspiracy loons still can’t see this, makes them a joke. A total joke.


48 posted on 06/22/2014 12:16:48 PM PDT by rbmillerjr (Russians to the Left of me, Useful Idiots to the Right...)
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To: celmak

“And in no way included the kind of pull-out that Obama did”

You couldn’t be more wrong.


49 posted on 06/22/2014 12:18:56 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Alberta's Child
Absolutely false.

Absolutely true! The whole video is under the assumption of going at it alone.

Nice try.

50 posted on 06/22/2014 12:19:46 PM PDT by celmak
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