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Paul: US has been arming ISIS in Syria
The Hill ^ | 06/22/14 | Rebecca Shabad

Posted on 06/22/2014 5:17:33 PM PDT by xzins

Sen. Rand Paul (R-Ky.) said Sunday that the Sunni militants taking over Iraq have quickly gained power because the United States has armed their group in Syria.

“I think we have to understand first how we got here,” he said on CNN’s “State of the Union.” “We have been arming [the Islamic State in Iraq and Syria] ISIS in Syria.”

ISIS, an al Qaeda offshoot, has been collaborating with the Syrian rebels whom the Obama administration has been arming in their efforts to overthrow Syrian President Bashar al-Assad, Paul explained.

The administration has reportedly assisted the moderate opposition in Syria, but details about the dissemination of those resources are unclear.

“That is the real contradiction to this whole policy,” Paul said. “If we were to get rid of Assad,” it would become a “jihadist wonderland in Syria.”


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1 posted on 06/22/2014 5:17:33 PM PDT by xzins
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Paul is right on this.
We have been arming terrorists in Syria. We have been arming just about anyone opposed to Assad in an effort to overthrow Assad.

Yesterday, there were 3 strange reports:

1. Syrian Air Force might have just assisted Maliki against ISIL in Mosul.

2. Putin has agreed to help Maliki.

3. The King of Clubs, Al Douri, is the leader of ISIL now fighting in Iraq. He was Saddam’s former Vice President and a knowledgeable WMD general.

So, US policy has us fighting the people we were supporting and getting help from the people we were fighting, and having Obama’s nemesis, Putin, coming to the aid of Maliki the guy we support and that Iran supports.

In other words, as I put it together. Our foreign policy is lying through its teeth about what’s going on.


2 posted on 06/22/2014 5:17:53 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

John McCain poses for pictures with them, what are we supposed to think.


3 posted on 06/22/2014 5:19:39 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: xzins

And who says Bam Bams foreign policy isn’t going well. /s


4 posted on 06/22/2014 5:20:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: xzins

It’s true but with the Saudis backing ISIS it may not matter that much. They would have gotten what they needed anyway.


5 posted on 06/22/2014 5:20:58 PM PDT by MarMema (Run Ted Run)
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To: xzins

Paul said. “If we were to get rid of Assad,” it would become a “jihadist wonderland in Syria.”


Glad to see he got something right again.


6 posted on 06/22/2014 5:22:29 PM PDT by boycott
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To: xzins

Well, obviously, we want ISIS to win in Syria, but not in Iraq. And Iran is now our new best friend.

Get with the Program. [/s]


7 posted on 06/22/2014 5:24:20 PM PDT by rbg81
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To: xzins

Benghazi was an arms deal gone bad. No backup was sent in because they WANTED those killed to be silenced.


8 posted on 06/22/2014 5:24:43 PM PDT by TigerClaws
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To: xzins

How did this guy escape being hung alongside Hussein?

9 posted on 06/22/2014 5:24:58 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: BenLurkin

Al Douri captured the judge who sentenced Saddam to death, to day I think, and had him executed.

Al Douri’s chemical expertise also argues that the terrorists in Syria are also likely culprits regarding the chemical weapons attacks in Syria. It also makes one wonder about Saddam’s weapons in Syria.


10 posted on 06/22/2014 5:27:58 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Duh, where do you think they got the M 16’s?


11 posted on 06/22/2014 5:30:45 PM PDT by VTenigma (The Democratic party is the party of the mathematically challenged)
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To: xzins

Paul could be right, but i need to see it from someone else to be sure.
I no longer trust him


12 posted on 06/22/2014 5:32:59 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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Rand Slams Congress for Funding Egypt's Generals: 'How Does Your Conscience Feel Now?'
Sen. Rand Paul is hammering his fellow senators for keeping billions in financial aid flowing to Egypt's military -- even as Cairo's security forces massacre anti-government activists. [by "anti-government activists" is meant church-burning Christian-murdering jihadists]
[Posted on 08/15/2013 5:44:10 PM PDT by Hoodat]
Rand Paul On Shutdown: "Even Though It Appeared I Was Participating In It, It Was A Dumb Idea"
I said throughout the whole battle that shutting down the government was a dumb idea. Even though it did appear as if I was participating in it, I said it was a dumb idea. And the reason I voted for it, though, is that it's a conundrum. Here's the conundrum. We have a $17 trillion debt and people at home tell me you can't give the president a blank check. We just can't keep raising the debt ceiling without conditions. So unconditionally raising the debt ceiling, nobody at home wants me to vote for that and I can't vote for that. But the conundrum is if I don't we do approach these deadlines. So there is an impasse. In 2011, though, we had this impasse and the president did negotiate. We got the sequester. If we were to extend the sequester from discretionary spending to all the entitlements we would actually fix our problem within a few years.
[Posted on 11/19/2013 12:16:51 PM by Third Person]
Rand Paul: Time for GOP to soften war stance
...by softening its edge on some volatile social issues and altering its image as the party always seemingly "eager to go to war... We do need to expand the party and grow the party and that does mean that we don't always all agree on every issue" ... the party needs to become more welcoming to individuals who disagree with basic Republican doctrine on emotional social issues such as gay marriage... "We're going to have to be a little hands off on some of these issues ... and get people into the party," Paul said.
[Posted on 01/31/2013 5:08:50 PM PST by xzins]
Rand Paul's immigration speech
...The Republican Party must embrace more legal immigration.

Unfortunately, like many of the major debates in Washington, immigration has become a stalemate-where both sides are imprisoned by their own rhetoric or attachment to sacred cows that prevent the possibility of a balanced solution.

Immigration Reform will not occur until Conservative Republicans, like myself, become part of the solution. I am here today to begin that conversation.

Let's start that conversation by acknowledging we aren't going to deport 12 million illegal immigrants.

If you wish to work, if you wish to live and work in America, then we will find a place for you...

This is where prudence, compassion and thrift all point us toward the same goal: bringing these workers out of the shadows and into being taxpaying members of society.

Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers.12 million more people assimilating into society. 12 million more people being productive contributors.
[Posted on 03/19/2013 7:04:07 AM PDT by Perdogg]
Rand Paul calls on conservatives to embrace immigration reform
Latinos, should be a natural constituency for the party, Paul argued, but "Republicans have pushed them away with harsh rhetoric over immigration." ...he would create a bipartisan panel to determine how many visas should be granted for workers already in the United States and those who might follow... [and the buried lead] "Imagine 12 million people who are already here coming out of the shadows to become new taxpayers...
[Posted on 04/21/2013 1:52:42 PM PDT by SoConPubbie]
[but he's not in favor of amnesty, snicker, definition of is is]

13 posted on 06/22/2014 5:33:27 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: rbg81

“And Iran is now our new best friend.”

Iran wants us to be Best Man. Today they warned the US to stay out of Iraq.
So they want us to “loan” them `walking around’ money, weapons, ammunition, military expertise so they can kill Sunnis since they can’t seem to do it themselves very well—in other words, to lift them on and off, but otherwise to stay out of their way, off their honeymoon with Iraqi Shias.

Barry always manages to get us the worst of all possible worlds in any given situation.


14 posted on 06/22/2014 5:34:17 PM PDT by tumblindice (America's founding fathers: all armed conservatives)
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To: xzins

Rand is finally giving voice to what many of us here have seen.

Under Obama we have switched sides in the war on terror. It has been camouflaged with PR and word-fog and generally obfuscated but we have switched sides.


15 posted on 06/22/2014 5:37:50 PM PDT by marron
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To: xzins

This is where Paul is actually right..McCain posted for pictures with these punks..of course the US has been arming ISIS, its been going on for a while


16 posted on 06/22/2014 5:40:17 PM PDT by Sarah Barracuda
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To: cripplecreek

My key is bearded muslim = not “moderate” muslim. McCain ws posing with some hairy dudes...


17 posted on 06/22/2014 5:43:48 PM PDT by PghBaldy (12/14 - 930am -rampage begins... 12/15 - 1030am - Obama's advance team scouts photo-op locations.)
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To: marron

And never forget that the Democrats did not do it alone. The GOP provided LOTS of cover. McCain being the boldest example.

But cover they did.


18 posted on 06/22/2014 5:44:42 PM PDT by Norm Lenhart (How's that 'lesser evil' workin' out for ya?)
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To: Norm Lenhart

John McCain, Lindsey Graham, and Mike Rogers are the most visible of the GOP quislings but I’m sure there are many more.


19 posted on 06/22/2014 5:49:15 PM PDT by cripplecreek (Remember the River Raisin.)
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To: BenLurkin

Iraq crisis: Red-haired devil of Saddam’s Iraq back in the fray

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/middleeast/iraq/10907319/Iraq-crisis-Red-haired-devil-of-Saddams-Iraq-back-in-the-fray.html


20 posted on 06/22/2014 5:54:01 PM PDT by nuconvert ( Khomeini promised change too // Hail, Chairman O)
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To: xzins

So Mr. Paul.. did Obama or Bush arm ISIS?...because you and some other libertarians say Bush lost Iraq to ISIS but ISIS can’t fight without weapons..


21 posted on 06/22/2014 5:59:45 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: xzins

impeachable?


22 posted on 06/22/2014 6:11:17 PM PDT by GeronL (Vote for Conservatives not for Republicans)
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To: xzins

Haven’t we learned ANYTHING since 1979? ANYTHING?

We have no Muslim “friends”. The Muslims cozy up to us when it benefits them in the short term. As soon as they don’t need us, they turn on us and kill us.

Until Islamic countries demonstrate a willingness to confront and FIGHT the militants OF BOTH SUNNI OR SHIA, we need to treat them like lepers.


23 posted on 06/22/2014 6:11:37 PM PDT by Bryan24 (When in doubt, move to the right..........)
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To: tophat9000; SunkenCiv

There is little denying that ISIS was nurtured in Syria by the US. I believe the US knew who it was supporting even though they might claim there were many groups.

So, whether Rand Paul is liked or not liked has no bearing on what has been happening behind the scenes.

And now we are fighting those we formerly supported, and the likelihood of Obama’s 300 advisors facing ISIL armed with US provided weapons is very real.


24 posted on 06/22/2014 6:14:38 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: GeronL

Insane maybe?

Could we declare him unfit for office?


25 posted on 06/22/2014 6:15:52 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: BenLurkin

Isn’t that “Chemical Alley” (Ali)?


26 posted on 06/22/2014 6:18:57 PM PDT by BerryDingle (I know how to deal with communists, I still wear their scars on my back from Hollywood-Ronald Reagan)
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To: Norm Lenhart

I remember that when the Egyptian military overthrew the Morsi and the Muslim Brotherhood that Obama sent McCain and Graham to Cairo to threaten the Egyptians.


27 posted on 06/22/2014 6:27:23 PM PDT by marron
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To: xzins

Our foreign policy is a complete disaster right now


28 posted on 06/22/2014 6:29:06 PM PDT by realcleanguy
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To: BenLurkin

I remember crossing off the deck of cards back in 2003... they never got that guy. I figured he’d been evaporated in a bomb strike of something.


29 posted on 06/22/2014 6:30:58 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

I read someplace that twice there were claims he’d been killed. Apparently not.


30 posted on 06/22/2014 6:33:16 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

A red headed dude that everyone’s looking for and re-emerges after 11 years. He’s got some mojo.


31 posted on 06/22/2014 6:34:39 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: Tijeras_Slim

His presence explains why Sunnis in Mosul/Tikrit were just giving up. They want al-Douri to win. They hate Shi’ite Maliki. I read yesterday that intel services are saying he even took a PR tour through the area before the invasion and renewed old relationships.


32 posted on 06/22/2014 6:42:43 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

Interesting... thanks.


33 posted on 06/22/2014 6:44:31 PM PDT by Tijeras_Slim
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To: xzins

No doubt the Saudis want us to

And when they say jump, the US Government says “how high?”


34 posted on 06/22/2014 6:44:59 PM PDT by PGR88
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To: PGR88

The Saudis were supporting the terrorists in Syria, too. Now we understand that al-Douri and his crew were battling the Talifani terrorists from Syria....al Nusra and the like, I think. I believe Syria is on their side...that would be the al Qaeda wannabe side. Apparently, the al quada side is acting publicly like it doesn’t like the Iraqi side.

And it could all be propaganda. What we do know is Obama has been arming terrorists in Syria and now he’s fighting some of those same terrorists in Iraq. It’s all insane.


35 posted on 06/22/2014 6:49:52 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins

CHEERS!


36 posted on 06/22/2014 6:52:27 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: Sarah Barracuda
Notice the media stopped the McCain promo lately?
37 posted on 06/22/2014 6:57:46 PM PDT by Bogie
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To: xzins

Paul is terrible on immigration but first we have to worry about defeating amnesty until 2017.

I dont see how a divided GOP suddenly bends over and lets Rand get his way on everything.

If they don’t get amnesty by 2017 and somehow Rand gets elected, I think the donors may spend 4 years trying to hammer Paul on immigration if that is a way to get him out of office.

The establishment still doesn’t want Rand. They want Walker or Jindal or Jeb or Christie.

A lot of hawkish Congress members are law and order types on immigration like Steve King and Mike Rogers. They didn’t buy Jeff Flake’s amnesty bill. McCain, Graham, Kinzinger and Peter King are the main crossovers for amnesty and war.

http://www.lauraingraham.com/pg/jsp/charts/streamingAudioMaster.jsp;jsessionid=19ABA5B51F6A911FF26AA94EC5DE95A2?dispid=302&headerDest=L3BnL2pzcC9tZWRpYS9mbGFzaHdlbGNvbWUuanNwP3BpZD0xODU3NQ==

Rep. Mike Rogers on the role of amnesty in Cantor’s defeat: “If GOP doesn’t take a lesson, I worry about the future of our party.”


38 posted on 06/22/2014 7:04:54 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

Kinzinger is Top Gun.

http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/kinzinger-cruz-alqaida-force/2013/09/05/id/524010/

http://www.mofopolitics.com/2014/03/02/rino-adam-kinzinger-gushes-over-the-farm-bill-cuts-to-military-benefits-and-bill-clinton/


39 posted on 06/22/2014 7:07:52 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: ObamahatesPACoal

My favorites: Cruz, Palin
Next tier, fully acceptable: Perry, Lee, Jeff Sessions, Martinez*

Not acceptable: Christie, Bush, Romney, Paul

Still Studying: Walker, Kasich, Jindal,

I will not support anyone who is not provably pro-life.

I will not support anyone who offers any immigration plan other than total control of borders (fence), coasts, harbors, airports, visas.


40 posted on 06/22/2014 7:13:07 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: nuconvert

Just d-mn


41 posted on 06/22/2014 7:13:14 PM PDT by BenLurkin (This is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion or satire; or both.)
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To: xzins

The tin foil is strong in me at the moment: What if Obama wants a jihadist take over of Iraq to make Bush and Republicans who argue for a strong defense look bad?

Next election: “Do you really want to vote for a Republican who will continue to send troop around the world on no win missions like Iraq? Vote for the peace loving Dems like Elizabeth here.”


42 posted on 06/22/2014 7:15:37 PM PDT by garjog (Obama: bringing joy to the hearts of Terrorists everywhere.)
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To: tophat9000

Paul is right. Why spin it?


43 posted on 06/22/2014 7:19:10 PM PDT by laplata (Liberals don't get it .... their minds are diseased.)
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To: garjog

I don’t want to be engaged in wars when reprisals would be more effective.

That said, I don’t want enemies to gain any opportunity to attack the US. Obama has made it hard for democrats to argue that they are better on defense.


44 posted on 06/22/2014 7:19:52 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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To: xzins
Barry's foreign policy is not the publicly stated policy.

Barry's policy is to establish a Sunni jihadist state somewhere in the ME.

He failed in Egypt, but not for want of trying.

He seems to by failing in Syria.

He's succeeded to a degree in Libya, but the situation is fluid and chaotic.

And he's brought Hamas into a “coalition” government in Palestine.

But his big prize is Iraq.

He really really wants to stick it to Bush and America.

And an ISIS state is just the ticket.

45 posted on 06/22/2014 7:24:42 PM PDT by mojito (Zero, our Nero.)
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To: xzins

I think the only ones who could win the nomination are Cruz, Pat McCrory and Allen West.

McCrory is going to have to admit he is wrong on Tillis when Tillis loses.


46 posted on 06/22/2014 7:25:47 PM PDT by ObamahatesPACoal
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To: xzins
Obama is a Sunni Muslim and supports the invasion of Iraqi along with his Saudi financiers .
They

The day Barry kissed the ring finger of the fellow Saudi king a Sunni told us who was in control now folks .

We are in deep trouble now.

47 posted on 06/22/2014 7:38:53 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: mojito
Your right.

Barry is a Sunni Kenyan and adopted in Indonesia by another Sunni .

He bow and kissed the Saudi King ring finger said it all to the Arab world.

Watching this Muslim plant let Iraqi fall into hell on purpose is frightening and releasing Five of the most 9-11 leaders for a well known deserter and corroborator just confirms what these traitor's are up to.

We have the enemies of the US in the WH.

48 posted on 06/22/2014 7:48:46 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: laplata
Right?..hardly..his two statements logically cancel each other out..

either Bush lost the Iraq before ISIS was armed so arming them is irrelevant..

Or arming then is the factor losing Iraq and Bush did not arm them..

All wars have an "enemy" your fighting..'..

The question is..is ISIS a new enemy create by Bush?..(or just the latest version of an old pre Bush one..)

But useful Idiots arm their enemy'

You want to say Bush created ISIS?.....fine..that a fair debate

But he didn't arm them ..that was the current useful idiot of Islam in office of POTUS

49 posted on 06/22/2014 9:10:07 PM PDT by tophat9000 (An Eye for an Eye, a Word for a Word...nothing more)
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To: xzins
FWIW, according to this report Al-Douri and ISIS are alleged to have made a pact. Someone Is Spilling ISIS’s Secrets on Twitter

"The terror group may be on a rampage in Iraq. But ISIS is being threatened from inside, it seems. And no one is sure who’s behind the tweets disclosing the group’s intimate details.

A mysterious Twitter account is trying to stop ISIS’s rise to power by spilling the terror group’s secrets online. For more than six months a series of tweets have detailed the alleged covert alliances and conspiratorial machinations behind the ascension of The Islamic State of Iraq and the Sham, the Islamist group taking over large parts of Iraq. Taken together, the tweets form a slanted but valuable picture of ISIS and one of the only portraits of its leaders. Perhaps even more important, the account is still active, sending out tweets days ago about ISIS’s current strategy in Iraq and what it plans to do next."....

According to the leaker, @wikibaghdady, ".........."ISIS’s inner chamber of power, hidden by Baghdadi’s public front, is led by a former Baathist and colonel in Saddam’s army called Haji Bakr.".............

....."That Baathist connection resurfaced last week after ISIS’ Iraq offensive and has proven to be a critical aspect of the group’s strategy and a cornerstone of its current ability to take and hold ground."......

......."on June 13, the @wikibaghdadi account claimed a "Meeting between ISIS and Naqshbandi Army near al-Qayara area south of Mosul had taken place with representatives from Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri and Baghdadi.”"............

Izzat Ibrahim al-Douri is a mythic figure among many of Iraq’s Sunnis. A high-ranking commander in the Iraqi army before the American invasion, al-Douri became the leader of Iraq’s banned Baath party after Hussein was executed in 2007. He managed to evade capture by American and Iraqi forces and has been in hiding pretty much since then. Since his disappearance, sightings of al-Douri have been reported in Mosul but he has never resurfaced publicly. Now, al-Douri appears to have resurfaced leading the The Naqshbandi Army, the former Baathist officers who form a cornerstone of the Sunni coalition in Mosul that includes ISIS.

After al-Douri’s hiding out for years in Mosul, cultivating the underground Sunni insurgent force, reports about al-Douri suddenly started popping up in the last week. Despite the rhetoric about the ISIS takeover of Iraq, it’s clear that the group’s rapid advance owed much to its alliance with other Sunni groups, including the Baathist Naqshbandis led by al-Douri.

But @wikibaghdady goes further than just positing the alliance between ISIS and Baathist forces. The account claims, as Hassan's translation below shows, that the two groups struck a deal which will place the Baathists in control of a new ruling coalition."................
50 posted on 06/22/2014 9:16:28 PM PDT by Girlene (Hey NSA!)
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