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Rand Paul: Blame Dick Cheney for Iraq violence, not Obama
CBS NEWS ^ | June 22, 2014 | ByJAKE MILLER

Posted on 06/22/2014 7:23:32 PM PDT by kingattax

Sen. Rand Paul, R-Ky., offered some bipartisan backup to President Obama on the subject of Iraq Sunday, saying many critics who blame the president for the ferocious Islamist insurgency there, like former Vice President Dick Cheney, should take a look in the mirror.

"I don't blame President Obama," Paul told NBC News. "Has he really got the solution? Maybe there is no solution."

Paul said those who have questioned the president's approach to the recent surge in violence should ask the same questions of those who supported the 2003 invasion of Iraq: "Were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?"

"They didn't, really, I think understand the civil war that would break out," Paul said.

Cheney and other conservative hawks have been relentless in their criticism of the president in recent days, saying Mr. Obama invited the chaos in Iraq by withdrawing all of America's troops in 2011 and that he's failing to stop it now by dithering and dissembling in his public response.

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rand is an idiot and like anyone who would in any way support a domestic enemy like obozo deserves a good old-fashioned ass whoopin.

rand paul for president ? president of what ?

1 posted on 06/22/2014 7:23:32 PM PDT by kingattax
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To: kingattax
Either Rand is too stupid to know he was handing the MSM exactly what they wanted

Or he intended to.

2 posted on 06/22/2014 7:25:21 PM PDT by skeeter
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To: kingattax

The conservatives/libertarains are starting to sound like they are on drugs...this side today and the other side tomorrow.


3 posted on 06/22/2014 7:25:44 PM PDT by Kackikat
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To: kingattax

So, will McCain go back to calling him a wacko bird?


4 posted on 06/22/2014 7:26:19 PM PDT by VerySadAmerican (Liberals were raised by women or wimps.)
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To: VerySadAmerican

if cindy and meghan tell him to.


5 posted on 06/22/2014 7:27:27 PM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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To: kingattax

We need to deport Rand Paul and have him live in Iraq for a few years. If he doesn’t understand the situation there, he will quickly learn that Bush was right after living there for a few years (provided he can survive for that long).

If Paul’s just spewing anti-American blather because he’s anti-American himself, then we need to deport him out of our own self-interest.


6 posted on 06/22/2014 7:27:33 PM PDT by Objective Scrutator (All liberals are criminals, and all criminals are liberals)
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To: Kackikat

Conservatives always eat their own and the media runs with it. The left knows that a pro-government strategy IS the big tent strategy. Limited government means some are excluded.


7 posted on 06/22/2014 7:27:53 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: kingattax

The lack of meaningful post war “guidance” allowed the Shia to do to the Sunni what Saddam had done to them. This fiasco is 100% Obama. Now the ISIS has the “nonexistent” WMD.


8 posted on 06/22/2014 7:28:06 PM PDT by JimSEA
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To: kingattax
FR really needs a thumbs up button.

Paul and all those like him need a good ass whoopin.

9 posted on 06/22/2014 7:28:45 PM PDT by mountn man (The Pleasure You Get From Life Is Equal To The Attitude You Put Into It)
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To: JimSEA

“ISIS” are the same subhumans that obozo wanted to fully and openly arm and support and mccain had his love fest with.

does anyone believe we have enough rope ?


10 posted on 06/22/2014 7:30:58 PM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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To: Kackikat

Don’t confuse conservatives and libertarians.

Libertarians are out to defeat conservatism.

Rand Paul is trying to appeal to his libertarian base.


11 posted on 06/22/2014 7:31:29 PM PDT by ansel12 (( Rand Paul---What a tragedy if America wouldn't have gotten to see Barack Obama as a leader.)
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To: kingattax

Who needs Democrats when you’ve got Rand Paul carrying their water on Iraq and immigration.


12 posted on 06/22/2014 7:31:37 PM PDT by vbmoneyspender
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To: kingattax

President of political trolling. Might as well be a liberal.


13 posted on 06/22/2014 7:33:26 PM PDT by lavaroise (A well regulated gun being necessary to the state, the rights of the militia shall not be infringed)
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To: kingattax

Recently RP has shown his true colors. FURP!


14 posted on 06/22/2014 7:34:11 PM PDT by jazusamo (Sometimes I think that this is an era when sanity has become controversial: Thomas Sowell)
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To: kingattax

Can we blame both?


15 posted on 06/22/2014 7:34:29 PM PDT by BurningOak (Live Free or Die)
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To: kingattax
Rand is conveniently forgetting the cacophony of warnings from DemocRATS that Iraq had WMDs even before President Bush took office.

Disgraced ex-President/lifelong pervert Bill Clinton never had the balls to do anything about it so he, along with his fellow yellow-bellied, America-hating Libhole commie friends, pushed President Bush into taking action.

And then, when he did, they immediately started screaming bloody murder.

Jerks.

16 posted on 06/22/2014 7:34:42 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: skeeter; All
The Paul's have always been against this war and while i'm no fan of Rand Paul this is another misleading headline by the criminal liberal media to protect the rats...

"Were they right in their predictions? Were there weapons of mass destruction there? Was the war won in 2005, when many of those people said it was won?"

How many rats claimed there were WMD's in Iraq???  Didn't hillary clinton vote in favor of the war as well as a bunch of other rats???  why does the criminal liberal media leave them out???

17 posted on 06/22/2014 7:37:30 PM PDT by God luvs America (63.5 million pay no income tax and vote for DemoKrats...)
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To: kingattax

I loath this guy more every day. . .he’s a Mitch suck up and can’t be trusted ever.


18 posted on 06/22/2014 7:38:10 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: kingattax

Too much rope, too little action. Frustrating isn’t it?


19 posted on 06/22/2014 7:39:18 PM PDT by JimSEA
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20 posted on 06/22/2014 7:39:29 PM PDT by Brandonmark (OWCM is The new American Minority! 11.06.12 - Day of Infamy!)
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To: kingattax

So, if POSOTUS is blameless, why is he trying to rectify a situation that is directly related to his prior rhetoric and to his recent actions in Iraq? AFP. The federal reserve note stops at POSOTUS’s desk.

Grandstanding Rand?


21 posted on 06/22/2014 7:39:39 PM PDT by PGalt
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rand is an idiot

This is out of the McCain playbook.

Say nasty things about other republicans so that the MSM will give you airtime.

What a fool.

22 posted on 06/22/2014 7:41:00 PM PDT by oldbrowser (We have a rogue government in Washington)
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To: kingattax

Rand Paul is a POS. It is time for all to realize that. He is over his head now, and will never be presidential material.


23 posted on 06/22/2014 7:42:19 PM PDT by GGpaX4DumpedTea (I am a Tea Party descendant...steeped in the Constitutional Republic given to us by the Founders)
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To: kingattax

He is listening to Glenn Beck way too much.


24 posted on 06/22/2014 7:43:13 PM PDT by scbison
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To: Texas Eagle
Rand is conveniently forgetting the cacophony of warnings from DemocRATS that Iraq had WMDs even before President Bush took office.

Quotes From Dems on WMD’s

"One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line." - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

"If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program." - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

"Iraq is a long way from [here], but what happens there matters a great deal here. For the risks that the leaders of a rogue state will use nuclear, chemical or biological weapons against us or our allies is the greatest security threat we face." - Madeline Albright, Feb 18, 1998

"He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983." - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

"We urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs." - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry ( D - MA), and others Oct. 9, 1998

"Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process." - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

"Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies." - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

"There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of an ilicit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United States and our allies." - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

"We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and the means of delivering them." - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

"We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power." - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

"We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

"The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..." - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

"There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

"He has systematically violated, over the course of the past 11 years, every significant UN resolution that has demanded that he disarm and destroy his chemical and biological weapons, and any nuclear capacity. This he has refused to do." - Rep. Henry Waxman (D, CA), Oct. 10, 2002

"In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapon stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons." - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

"We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction." - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

"I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security." < BR>- Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

"Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation. And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real." - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

25 posted on 06/22/2014 7:45:41 PM PDT by McBuff
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To: kingattax

Bipartisan ? I don’t think so .


26 posted on 06/22/2014 7:45:52 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: kingattax

Rand is a blooming idiot


27 posted on 06/22/2014 7:47:34 PM PDT by yldstrk ( My heroes have always been cowboys)
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To: kingattax

This is definitely a dumb comment on Rand Paul’s part. First, Obama has had the presidency for 6 years. It’s not as if he’s stood by helplessly watching the aftermath of Iraq because he had no input. In fact, Obama did have input and he did make decisions that had an impact on the ground in Iraq. So, whatever else Paul might believe, he should recognize that there is a least some shared responsibility for the outcome in Iraq.

Second, Dick Cheney was Vice President. He might have been counselor to a president, but the name on the dotted line was George Bush. What that means with this Rand Paul soundbite is that Paul was appealing to the old smear that Bush was a figurehead president. I think that’s wrong. Why? Because Cheney is combative and more than willing to talk and defend his policies. The White House in the Bush years was quiet in its own defense. It was crickets. It is Bush who believed in living above the fray, not Cheney. So, the very tone of the White House suggest Bush control and not Cheney control.

Third, Paul is calling into question the entire Iraq mission with this comment. I think there’s more than sufficient reason to believe that Saddam aided, abetted, provided comfort, and or support to those who had sided with al Qaeda.


28 posted on 06/22/2014 7:47:35 PM PDT by xzins ( Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for victory!)
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Rand Paul, you ignorant anti-American commie POS.

There were, and are, WMDs in Iraq, and the Obama-funded ISIS just seized control of them.

Obama and his handlers and his sycophants are responsible for the muslim terrorist uprisings all across the middle east and Africa, from Tunisia to Iran to Kenya to Nigeria.

29 posted on 06/22/2014 7:48:04 PM PDT by meadsjn
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To: McBuff

Nice job


30 posted on 06/22/2014 7:51:45 PM PDT by reefdiver (Be the Best you can be Whatever you Dream to be)
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To: xzins

Good post.


31 posted on 06/22/2014 7:52:40 PM PDT by rockinqsranch (Dems, Libs, Socialists, call 'em what you will. They ALL have fairies livin' in their trees.)
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To: kingattax

Rand is further evidence of the old ‘apple-tree’ lunacy propagation adage.


32 posted on 06/22/2014 7:53:06 PM PDT by eeriegeno (<p>)
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To: kingattax
Obviously looking for an invitation to one of Bill Moyers’ wildly popular cocktail parties.And then it's onto flattering op-eds by Krugman,Millbank and Dowd.
33 posted on 06/22/2014 7:55:46 PM PDT by Gay State Conservative (Rat Party Policy:Lie,Deny,Refuse To Comply)
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To: ansel12

“Don’t confuse conservatives and libertarians.

Libertarians are out to defeat conservatism.

Rand Paul is trying to appeal to his libertarian base.”

AMEN!


34 posted on 06/22/2014 7:57:39 PM PDT by stilloftyhenight (...staying home isn't an option.)
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To: McBuff

Thanks for the assist.


35 posted on 06/22/2014 7:57:47 PM PDT by Texas Eagle (If it wasn't for double-standards, Liberals would have no standards at all -- Texas Eagle)
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To: kingattax

Well, it’s both their fault. Bush/Cheney took us into that nightmare under false pretenses and ODimwit made it worse. But Rand ... good grief WHAT are you?


36 posted on 06/22/2014 8:00:03 PM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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To: PGalt

New word: Randstanding!


37 posted on 06/22/2014 8:02:09 PM PDT by JaguarXKE (1973: Reporters investigate All the President's Men. 2013: Reporters ARE all the President's men d)
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To: BurningOak
Can we blame both?

Bingo. We have a winner. If either Bush/Cheney or Obama had made the right moves, Iraq would not be crumbling as it is now.

38 posted on 06/22/2014 8:02:15 PM PDT by Leaning Right (Why am I holding this lantern? I am looking for the next Reagan.)
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To: RIghtwardHo
Bush/Cheney took us into that nightmare under false pretenses

would you please elaborate on what exactly those "false pretenses" were ?

39 posted on 06/22/2014 8:02:41 PM PDT by kingattax (a real American would rather die on his feet than live on his knees.)
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To: kingattax
Paul sounds like a Hollywood has-been desperately trying to regain relevancy.

Go grab some more of that good Kentucky whiskey and leave us alone Rand.

40 posted on 06/22/2014 8:05:47 PM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Jesus Christ is not a religion. He's the Truth.)
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To: oldbrowser
your right.

Old Rand must be using McCain K street advisers and consultants.

41 posted on 06/22/2014 8:07:06 PM PDT by ncalburt ( Amnesty-media out in full force)
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To: kingattax

Nice NOT really knowing you Rand. I think I’ve heard enough to stop taking you seriously as a conservative. Have you turned into Bob Dole or what?


42 posted on 06/22/2014 8:13:55 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: kingattax
I dont mind him blaming Cheney but what I didnt like was him saying he thinks that Felons should get back the vote.

Martina O Malley did that here in Maryland, and guess what ? , they vote Dem.

43 posted on 06/22/2014 8:15:04 PM PDT by sickoflibs (King Obama : 'The debate is over. The time for talk is over. Just follow my commands you serfs""')
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To: McBuff

Great quotes of the top demoCRAPs talking tough about Iraq & Saddam Hussein, and then abruptly doing a complete 180 degree reversal after they approved GWB use of force. But unfortunately GWB as well as the other dipsh_t Repubs are too stupid & cowardly to bring these quotes out and throw them over & over again in the MSM & demoCRAPs faces.


44 posted on 06/22/2014 8:20:50 PM PDT by rcrngroup
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To: kingattax

I agree , s glad to see this side of rand paul now ...early on . Like his dad , a flake .


45 posted on 06/22/2014 8:21:40 PM PDT by LeoWindhorse
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To: kingattax

President of Dis integration, dat’s wat! Let things fall apart, dat’s da ticket. We don’t need no leadership, we need bleedership.


46 posted on 06/22/2014 8:25:09 PM PDT by AmericanVictory (Should we be more like them or they more like we used to be?)
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To: yldstrk
I don't think he is a whacko bird,

But I think both he and McCain are whacko turds!

47 posted on 06/22/2014 8:27:32 PM PDT by MtnClimber (Just doing laps around the sun and shaking my head that progressives can believe what they do!)
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To: kingattax

What is Rand Paul’s agenda, anyway? He is all over the place, politically, even in conflict with days’ earlier statements. He is off the charts recently, defending RINOs and democrats. I guess he is trying to sew up both sides of the 10% of the independents in the country, by jabbing at and/or supporting both sides, but he mainly seems to be supporting ALL the wrong people. He is beginning to sound even more bizarre than his father. I hope that republicans remember these weird things and decide to send him packing. He’s more like a nutcase every day.


48 posted on 06/22/2014 8:43:22 PM PDT by Shery (in APO Land)
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To: MichaelCorleone

Why waste the whiskey.


49 posted on 06/22/2014 9:01:29 PM PDT by HANG THE EXPENSE (Life's tough.It's tougher when you're stupid.)
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To: LeoWindhorse
Like his dad, a flake.

The nut doesn't fall too far from...uh, the other nut.

50 posted on 06/22/2014 9:02:04 PM PDT by ROCKLOBSTER (June IS "Republicans Freed the Slaves" Month.)
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